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4 May 2018
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Sebsebzen
and color scheme very important
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Gonzalo
I'm not telling I dont like
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Sebsebzen
I know
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Gonzalo
just that it remembers to others
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Sebsebzen
Gnosis did something good by choosing an owl
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symbol for wisdom
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but I can't think of anything that invokes prediction and forecasting
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that isn't a crystal ball
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I was considering I Ching symbolism
02:25
ancient Chinese prediction oracle
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Iridescence
🔮
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Sebsebzen
02:26
But then, how to turn this into a logo?
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Thats ancient ancient Chinese for Change
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Mist besides the moon
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Mr Flintstone
this is some great design
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thank you @sebsebzen
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Živojin Mirić
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I would say it's the 90's and that's good because I see it quite often in the last months, like 90's nostalgia push by big brands
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Sebsebzen
We'll tweak it further in the next days :)
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Tron 80's 90's retro
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awesome! sorry @sebsebzen - i wasn't able to respond earlier.
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Aries
logo looks cool
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O K
Time to change telegram logo too? :D
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png and ai files
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Maybe some color schemes to choose from
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Jim
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Critique from part time designer:
- very nice concept
- Try using the A/V in the logo for glyphs for amoveo text
- try some sightly desat red/green as a color scheme - pastel red/green should also work fine as an alternate dark theme
- slightly round off top and bottom corners of the A/V for a less aggressive look
- try alt version with a 1-2pt outline seperating the tails of the A/V from the background circle - might give a bit more contrast, but will need to see how it looks with colors
- very nice concept
- Try using the A/V in the logo for glyphs for amoveo text
- try some sightly desat red/green as a color scheme - pastel red/green should also work fine as an alternate dark theme
- slightly round off top and bottom corners of the A/V for a less aggressive look
- try alt version with a 1-2pt outline seperating the tails of the A/V from the background circle - might give a bit more contrast, but will need to see how it looks with colors
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Minieep21
OTC price slowly rising... more bids in area of $200+
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where i can see the total supply? etc
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toy
how to exchange veo?
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19:31
Minieep21
So bullish on Amoveo when garbage like Aeternity is ranked 29 on CMC 😂
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toy
Is there a friend from China?
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Wioiw
1 amoveo=$?
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Vladimir Vorkachev
250$
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Wioiw
where i cann sell it?
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Vladimir Vorkachev
Offer on discord trading channel
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Wioiw
link please
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Wioiw
ty
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Can you tell me how much i will earn every day with this hashrate?
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less than 0.1 veo
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Zack
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http://159.89.106.253:8080/explorer.html
One block is about 5000 terahashes. One block reward is 1 Veo.
So it would take you 8 days to find one Veo.
One block is about 5000 terahashes. One block reward is 1 Veo.
So it would take you 8 days to find one Veo.
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Wioiw
Thanks
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20:54
@jimtalksdata ‘s page tells you too
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any guides for gpu mining for beginners?
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I P
well miner readme is pretty much enough to get it running
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touzi
如何更改描述？
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did catweed change names? I can't tag him
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touzi
竟然会中文，Zack 牛啊
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touzi
是的
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Deleted Account
Just tell me if you own node, I'll add or change description manually.
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touzi
👌
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Zack
告诉我们你的IP地址和你想要的名字
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Deleted Account
hi can anyone help me? i mine with rx 580 but i have this problem power not stable i have changed mem coreclock blocksize numblocks 192 128, 64 100.... same problem!
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23:46
Zack
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"Node online. Do not mine."
Is this really what he wanted to call it?
Is this really what he wanted to call it?
23:47
Deleted Account
hmm he told me so
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If you wanna change it feel free to ask me @policetouzi
OK
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touzi
这就是我想要的，因为是怕别人来挖矿后无法兑现。
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Zack
There is only 1 node you can mine with that I know of. The mining pool I am maintaining. http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
If we write "no not mine", then it seems like all of them besides that one have miners.
Besides, the miner would tell you if you aren't connected to a mining pool.
If we write "no not mine", then it seems like all of them besides that one have miners.
Besides, the miner would tell you if you aren't connected to a mining pool.
5 May 2018
01:51
Deleted Account
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thank you for your help but this work perfect with one card and when i put all card hashrate drop to 120mh for all card and power again not stable
OK
01:52
(if you're having that problem)
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1 bat, many cmd
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04:19
Mr Flintstone
feels like more hash rate
04:19
not luck
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Sticker
Not included, change data exporting settings to download.
😋, 46.0 KB
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O K
:|
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Shayne Coplan
does anyone have a mining calculator for this?
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Dmitriy
Shayne
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my boi
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09:01
Iridescence
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You can estimate based on the expected hashrate needed to mine 1 VEO from amoveopool2.com
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09:17
J. Stone
hm.
block:height(). shows 0 but api:height(). shows 19439
09:17
I don't get it.
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Aries
someone send newbies to github
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09:20
J. Stone
yep, I'm there. Still trying to learn the process here.
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09:41
J. Stone
does it require a
block_absorber:recover (full or quick) every time the node is stopped and restarted? or should it be able to check the current header height, see the height of blocks in the existing database, and continue to sync from where it was last?
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09:47
Zack
no. block_absorber:recover is no longer in use at all.
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J. Stone
understood.
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Zack
More than 15 terahashes per second now
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Aries
state channel scaling and Veo
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how do I determine
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Transaction per second
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IMPLENIA - Crypto Fund 🇸🇨 🇨🇭
Does somebody sell veo?
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Discord has more sellers
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Jim
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Preview for stats site, next version
Most of the tough stuff (writing a SQL append script, writing my own JSON, highcharts integration) is done
Most of the tough stuff (writing a SQL append script, writing my own JSON, highcharts integration) is done
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Ben
looks pretty neat
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Hello
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J. Stone
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I think I have it mostly under control now, but thank you very much for offering.
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Mr Flintstone
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I don’t think there is a practical limit to channel tps? I think you’re just limited by how quickly you can pass messages back and forth
23:28
maybe ur talking about something else
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Živojin Mirić
speed of light
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Mr Flintstone
new diff 7114
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This is a ~38% increase
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which is a higher % than the prior one
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last time was 30
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wow
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price should be 300
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at least
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Mr Flintstone
oh we care
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believe me
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Dmitriy
what is inflation
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Mr Flintstone
there is massive debate about block reward governance
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01:57
Please check Amoveo discord trading channel
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Zack
http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
I set the mining pool fee to 0.
Now 100% of the money goes to the miner, and I keep none.
We need to move some of the hashpower away from amoveopool2 to protect the network from 51% attacks.
This miner works with any pool: https://github.com/PhamHuong92/VeoMiner
I set the mining pool fee to 0.
Now 100% of the money goes to the miner, and I keep none.
We need to move some of the hashpower away from amoveopool2 to protect the network from 51% attacks.
This miner works with any pool: https://github.com/PhamHuong92/VeoMiner
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Ben
maybe OK can increase his fee dramatically to make miner move
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to support that we could write a "how to" wich shows that they need to do, to move to other pools
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Sy
might be helpfull, the number of arguments needed for the miner to actually change the pool are kinda staggering
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04:23
ChmunChabad
i think moving away from amoveopool2 will take its time because minimum payout of 0.5 veo
04:23
at least for small miners that might take little time
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Zack
Probably if the biggest 2 miners moved, then he wouldn't have 51% any more.
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J. Stone
is there an easier way to get the node to stay in sync with the network? The best solution I've found is to
sync:get_headers({{1,2,3,4}, 8080}).
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then it'll catch up
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06:47
J. Stone
still trying to figure this all out, sorry for all of the questions guys. When I load my
keys.db file into the light wallet it shows a different pubkey than I get directly from the node with api:pubkey().
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08:47
J. Stone
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made a copy from here
_build/prod/rel/amoveo_core/keys/keys.db
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per these instructions: https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/api/keys.md
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Gonzalo
This File is encrypted so you can not load It and get the pubkey
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08:54
J. Stone
I see. thanks.
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Aries
why are all these bots joining
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Sebsebzen
Rise of the machines
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Prove that you’re human!
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UnfamiliarTruth Bot
You are not my master.
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Aries
you sound like Ultron
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bad bot
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hello
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Is there AMD mining software?
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Zack
http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
This page has a link where you can get AMD mining software
This page has a link where you can get AMD mining software
21:39
Attention miners!
I lowered the mining pool fee on this pool from 1% to 0%
http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
Now you keep all of the reward.
We need to move more of the hash power away from amoveopool2 because of the risk of 51% attacks.
I can't safely launch a bitcoin-veo exchange while one mining pool has >50% of the hashpower.
Please move some of your mining power to this different pool.
I lowered the mining pool fee on this pool from 1% to 0%
http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
Now you keep all of the reward.
We need to move more of the hash power away from amoveopool2 because of the risk of 51% attacks.
I can't safely launch a bitcoin-veo exchange while one mining pool has >50% of the hashpower.
Please move some of your mining power to this different pool.
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AMD RX570, BlockSize is optional, the default is 64.
NumBlocks is optional and defaults to 96.
Please also refer to this value?
NumBlocks is optional and defaults to 96.
Please also refer to this value?
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Zack What is the best value of AMD?
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Zack
I don't understand the question.
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Deleted Account
Zack I mean, BlocksSize and NumBlocks.AMD should be set more or less reasonable.
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Deleted Account
I’m just over halfway to my payout. I will switch after that. I’d imagine most miners using this pool are in the same boat.
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Zack
Yes, it is unfortunate that amoveopool2 holds your money hostage.
I let anyone leave early by just sending me their pubkey.
I let anyone leave early by just sending me their pubkey.
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22:09
O K
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If you had as much volume as we do, you would not have time for individual payouts. No need to resort to manipulative smear language like "hostage".
As veo goes up in value, the payout threshold will continue down. Many of you could stop mining now and you will receive payment after the difficulty adjustment.
As veo goes up in value, the payout threshold will continue down. Many of you could stop mining now and you will receive payment after the difficulty adjustment.
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Zack
For me emptying someone's account is as easy as copy pasting their pubkey from chat into my terminal.
If this is too expensive and time consuming, you could charge a fee for the effort of copy-pasting the pubkey.
If this is too expensive and time consuming, you could charge a fee for the effort of copy-pasting the pubkey.
22:14
Deleted Account
Zack In your mine pool, I can only see submission shares. How to view the mined coins.
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O K
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I don't think you have thought this through. That could result in someone fee griefing someone else.
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22:17
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all the mining pubkeys are basically the same, so it isn't so easy to have a target.
If some individual tries fee griefing everyone, and they only have 1 telegram account, you would realize pretty quick.
If some individual tries fee griefing everyone, and they only have 1 telegram account, you would realize pretty quick.
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Al
Guys, got about 9 Veo to sell quickly.. If needed - dm me
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Sy
always quickly ^^
22:56
im wondering if you ahve sold at all or if its still the same veo...try discord
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Al
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ty Sy, discord guys are usually strange - they ask how much, say - ok let's go, we are sending ETH and disappear..
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Sy
😂
22:57
didnt have that problem yet
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Al
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yesterday one guy asked my help for buying veo, like - you help me and I will buy.. omg mate
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Deleted Account
Zack I want to know your mine pool, how many miners now. I can only see the hash submission and I don't see any other information. Very confused
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Zack
Displaying how many active miners would be interesting information to you? I can add that as a potential update to the todo list.
23:07
http://veoscan.io/blocks
You can estimate hashrate from the ratio of which pool is mining most of the blocks
You can estimate hashrate from the ratio of which pool is mining most of the blocks
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Mr Flintstone
it’s only been two months so mining is still centralized
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time will fix this problem
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J. Stone
peers:all().
[{{0,0,0,0},8080},{{127,0,0,1},8080}]
odd, no?
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Aaron
@Stoner19 I set mine up on a VPS and ran in prod mode and was still having problems with peers updating me
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You are probably having a problem where you are having problems connecting to peers so it is removing them from your peer list
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I would detach, then run the clear command (don't remember what it is) and try to start over and see if your peer list is full again (i had about 10 maybe to start)
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But to make sure that I was actually being notified, I had to go to veoscan and add peers manually from the list.
23:31
Make sure you can connect to your public port from your local computer with telnet or something
telnet YOUR_IP PUBLIC_PORT first
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J. Stone
yeah, I've done all of that
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stop the node and restart it
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it shows the headers at the full height, but it never wants to actually sync the blocks
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23:32
Did you manually add peers?
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J. Stone
yes, i've done that too
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Aaron
ok. That worked for me. I also had a hard time like you are describing.
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J. Stone
per zack,
block_absorber:recover is no longer used
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Aaron
in case we're talking about different things, at the bottom of this page it shows how to add peers
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/getting-started/sync.md
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/getting-started/sync.md
23:34
I wasn't getting new blocks but after I manually added most of the 13 or so from veoscan, it worked
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I gotta go now, cheers and good luck
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oh, btw, i did that
trade_peers thing too with all the veoscan up to date nodes
23:35
maybe that's what you're missing
JS
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Zack
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Maybe you are running software from before the hard update. Try updating and resyncing.
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J. Stone
yep, I just did a
git pull to make sure I'm up to date. The only files changed where the README.md and flat_hierarchy.md
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checking for running processes then will try restart again
7 May 2018
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J. Stone
should
make prod-stop terminate /amoveo/_build/prod/rel/amoveo_core/erts-7.3/bin/epmd -daemon ?
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Zack
I don't know what that daemon is. Did you find a zombie process?
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J. Stone
seems so. after properly stopping the node I did
ps aux | grep amoveo and that process was still running.
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Deleted Account
what's Veo price
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04:22
Mr Flintstone
You can check on the trading discord
04:22
but like 250-300
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for bids
05:11
Deleted Account
$300 was the last wtb I saw
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05:22
Minieep21
Wonder if the guy with the $1 mil found a seller 😂
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Iridescence
Was he wanting to buy 1M worth of VEO?
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Deleted Account
Yeah I saw that
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Iridescence
I wonder how many of OTC bids/offer are fake
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Deleted Account
I'm leery of the wtbs for 300
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J. Stone
sorry for all the questions guys. When my node ends up getting something like
could not get block 2608 from peer it never starts syncing blocks again.
07:16
I've followed the github instructions about a hundred times and I'm still getting the same results every time.
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07:27
Aurelius | Synapse [Never DM First]
@dontshoot619 I'll buy for $300. DM me if anyone here is selling
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Deleted Account
I'm holding out for more at this point mining is so hard
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07:45
Kxxxed
all the buys are fake...
I am the only legit buyer around...
with that said.. anyone selling should PM me.
I am the only legit buyer around...
with that said.. anyone selling should PM me.
07:45
😏
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Deleted Account
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minimum payout is written in large fonts on OK's website. seems you will let nothing pass when it comes to the FIRST pool your coin ever had.
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09:28
Zack
http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
We are up to 1.6% of the blocks. So it takes about 5 hours for this pool to find a block.
It charges 0% pool fee. All the money goes to the miners.
Switch to this pool from AP2 to help prevent 51% attack vulnerabilities.
We are up to 1.6% of the blocks. So it takes about 5 hours for this pool to find a block.
It charges 0% pool fee. All the money goes to the miners.
Switch to this pool from AP2 to help prevent 51% attack vulnerabilities.
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09:38
Aurelius | Synapse [Never DM First]
hey Zack Have you thought about getting VEO listed on other exchanges as well or do you purely want it only on the one you're working on?
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Zack
I want to run the exchange. I expect to make a profit.
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Aries
Like a BOSS!
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09:51
Aurelius | Synapse [Never DM First]
Why would you not want to get it listed on exchanges with more volume so that more people know about Amoveo?
09:52
Just so you get % of trading volume as fees?
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Deleted Account
how easy would it be to integrate with ethereum/cosmos?
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12:32
Zack
Cross chain atomic swaps to ethereum should be doable.
And cross chain atomic swaps should be fairly easy, because we already have lightning payments in Amoveo.
Linking up to cosmos might be impossible, because of how our oracle is connected to the consensus mechanism.
I am not certain either way.
And cross chain atomic swaps should be fairly easy, because we already have lightning payments in Amoveo.
Linking up to cosmos might be impossible, because of how our oracle is connected to the consensus mechanism.
I am not certain either way.
12:33
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We are trying to be popular for having a good product with features that are in demand.
We don't want to grow just because we are listed on an exchange.
We don't want to grow just because we are listed on an exchange.
ON
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OLD LOOMDART NEW ONE IS @loomdart
hey, what's best way of acquiring an amoveo address?
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OLD LOOMDART NEW ONE IS @loomdart
hey :)
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Sy
hmmm something is broken with my node....which is bad because it says its in sync
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i got different balances for a pubkey
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aka my node included a transaction into a block but the net didnt accept it...or something like that
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i could "just" resync my node but tbh this is rather serious
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or the other way around which wouldnt be that serious, the veoscan node is out of sync or he got a parsing error somewhere catweed
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phew it looks like only veoscan doesnt have that transaction...
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Sy
hang on...
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Deleted Account
Figured out. Block 19879 recorded in veoscan.io is an orphan block.
It is known that veoscan sometimes records orphan blocks (thanks to OK), but do not have time to fix it.
I'll try to handle this later. Sorry for inconvenience.
It is known that veoscan sometimes records orphan blocks (thanks to OK), but do not have time to fix it.
I'll try to handle this later. Sorry for inconvenience.
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CeloStarter Bandits
chain is to fresh, is based on only on one person... you all could loose everything. So i would be carefull investing to much
IP
15:08
orphan blocks are common on every blockchain, even eth
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that is why you want to wait several confirmations to be sure that your transaction is valid and not orphaned
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Deleted Account
yeah
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Tato
Someone from AVP2 ?? I have a Txs Pending Confirmation 7 days ago. The new ones are confirmed but that is still there. Could you help me??
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Hi guys, we’ve tweaked the logo further and made some options for color scheme. Let us know what you think. My personal fav is second row in the middle.
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Zack
Check out the cool logo colors from sebsebzen
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Ben
they are all good.
20:13
cannot choose one.
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Aries
Black and Red
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nice homage to the original logo
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CryptoMach
Second row in the middle!
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Sebsebzen
Once done. I’ll send Zack a pack with logos and vector files to put on GitHub as open source
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Sebsebzen
And maybe twitter header
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We made it to block 20k
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Diff increased?
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Sy
yes
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ChmunChabad
That logo is one of the nicest in crypto
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Jim
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All colors work fine for me. The dark red and purple may not print well enough in B&W, the others should be fine
MF
22:20
Mr Flintstone
block 20k!!!
OK
22:20
O K
I like the bottom right, deep blue/purple
22:21
but I also think yellow/gold would be good
22:21
like lightning
22:38
Deleted Account
So the difficulty goes how every how many blocks again?
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22:39
Zack
difficulty retargets every 2000 blocks.
22:40
Deleted Account
Gotcha
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g
23:32
gh0stOo
hi
23:32
I have a Problem with the miner on amd gpu´s
23:32
error -32
23:32
someone an idea =
OK
23:32
O K
What parameters do you run?
23:32
Do you use Veominer 1.4?
23:33
Do you SyncKernel true?
g
23:33
gh0stOo
veominer.exe BPT3OsIXfuJroy+cVp0mXrvKYrXUG+UQCSwGwwOaB4iVD3W8zOM4LsAZhKNhGTLlLF//JqXeZe+jMdw6Z7NRj8s= 192 128 SEED 65536 0
23:33
veominer 1.4 yes
OK
23:33
O K
Which AMD gpu?
g
23:33
gh0stOo
yes
23:33
rx570
23:33
6 gpus on 14 rigs
23:35
ok i see there is the pool missing right ?
OK
23:36
O K
You are missing the first variable
23:37
veominer.exe <Address> <DeviceIds>
23:37
DeviceIds
23:37
You can't skip it
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Deleted Account
Type Rafael Grzonka:
veominer.exe BPT3OsIXfuJroy+cVp0mXrvKYrXUG+UQCSwGwwOaB4iVD3W8zOM4LsAZhKNhGTLlLF//JqXeZe+jMdw6Z7NRj8s= ALL 192 128 SEED 65536 0
veominer.exe BPT3OsIXfuJroy+cVp0mXrvKYrXUG+UQCSwGwwOaB4iVD3W8zOM4LsAZhKNhGTLlLF//JqXeZe+jMdw6Z7NRj8s= ALL 192 128 SEED 65536 0
8 May 2018
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00:21
Justin
Does it seem correct that the default pool “http://amoveopool2.com/pool” has not gotten a block in 6 hours?
00:21
But before that was getting them every few minutes?
00:22
Actually, I think I must be mis-reading that screen. Nevermind
G
OK
00:24
O K
In reply to this message
Veoscan is good, just remember sometimes it doesn't account for orphaned blocks yet
J
00:42
Justin
Thanks - that makes sense
K
00:42
Kxxxed
Any miners that need a buyer, PM me.. i offer good prices.
S
00:55
Sebsebzen
now with yellow scheme too
00:55
is it possible to do votes in telegram?
A
S
01:38
Sebsebzen
Can someone make a vote with 1-9
01:38
Counting from top left to bottom right
ŽM
01:42
Živojin Mirić
use groupagreebot
S
01:53
lol
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OK
01:57
O K
Probably would be best to number them
01:57
Someone is bound to get confused
S
01:57
Sebsebzen
got it
OK
01:58
O K
Can we vote for more than one
01:58
I think the lime green one is fresh
S
01:59
Sebsebzen via @groupagreebot
🗳 Amoveo
Which color scheme to pick for our logo? (From top left to bottom right)
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3 [6]
4 [2]
5 [7]
6 [0]
7 [1]
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Which color scheme to pick for our logo? (From top left to bottom right)
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2 [3]
3 [6]
4 [2]
5 [7]
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👥 25 people have voted so far
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02:02
Sebsebzen
one sec... uploading numbered version of logos
02:06
02:06
Ok, guys go ahead
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02:16
Zack
I think I like the yellow one.
02:16
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02:16
good job Sebsebzen
02:17
Deleted Account
How many USD will one VEO be worth in a couple month?
Any estimations?
Any estimations?
S
02:18
Sy
2k
Z
02:20
Zack
on July 7...
I guess $2001.
I guess $2001.
IP
02:20
I P
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dunno but i guess not much more than now but for sure it will be worth more
02:20
but it will be much harder to mine it so if you want to mine- better do it now
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IP
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02:28
Mr Flintstone
cool, it doesn’t show the votes until you have voted
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02:57
5 and 7 are my favs
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02:58
Iridescence
5 is my vote
A
02:58
Aries
3 is my vote
IP
03:06
I P
3 was mine
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03:46
O K
We need solidarity between 7s and 8s
AS
03:47
Aizen Sou
7 is a good number too 👍
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03:54
It’s almost same
05:04
Deleted Account
what does one veo worth right now based on latest trades? in terms of usd or btc
Z
05:13
Zack
around $300 I think
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OK
05:31
O K
I moved from 7 to 8
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05:40
Gonzalo
😜
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05:40
O K
I compromised twice, because I liked 9 the best
G
05:50
Gonzalo
9 is nice as well
Z
06:23
Zack
@potat_o is falling victim to one of the major fail-modes of voting.
This is one of the reasons that voting is unsuitable for blockchain mechanisms.
This is one of the reasons that voting is unsuitable for blockchain mechanisms.
OK
06:24
O K
Darn 😊
G
06:26
Gonzalo
I'd add option 10 (I dont care about the color, design is great)
06:54
Deleted Account
Folks: just my 2 cents - as almost 4 to 5 options here look great, you can use the black as base and all purpose version and different colours to signify different contexts of usage. e.g. black on any future gui wallets, red for mining pools, blue for oracle interfaces etc etc
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TG
08:27
Toby Ganger
Anyone know where one can buy some VEO? I have a few folks that want to buy?
MF
08:32
Mr Flintstone
discord
08:33
TG
08:33
Toby Ganger
ok..thanks...i'll check it out..no one on here though?
OK
08:34
O K
The discord is just where the trading happens
MF
08:34
Mr Flintstone
did I send wrong link?
08:34
there should be a fairly active trading channel in our discord
08:35
oh nvm
08:35
lol
TG
08:36
Toby Ganger
no sellers in here then I presume?
OK
08:36
O K
We try to keep it on the discord
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08:38
Aries
Toby the blockchain rapper
08:38
interesting
08:39
👍
TG
08:39
Toby Ganger
yessir
OK
08:43
O K
How about a dominant assurance contract to make a rap song about amoveo and dominant assurance contracts
TG
08:43
Toby Ganger
lol
OK
08:43
O K
I'll contribute
MF
08:43
Mr Flintstone
lol
TG
08:44
Toby Ganger
does anyone know what current supply is and current rate of growth? is their a current limit of supply even though it's subject to change?
MF
08:46
Mr Flintstone
25k current supply
08:46
no limit to supply
08:46
supply is determined by block reward
08:46
block reward is a governance variable
08:47
nobody knows for sure what the community will decide
g
08:47
goons
Asymptotically reduce reward to zero pls
Z
MF
08:48
Mr Flintstone
In reply to this message
yeah i think this is what will happen but not 100% confident
Z
TG
08:49
Toby Ganger
In reply to this message
I will have some research to do for sure for that one...that's beyond my current level of nerd ability...but can anyone help me acquire some VEO for myself and a few others first?
Z
08:49
Zack
trading on discord
g
08:49
goons
Did the discord link not work ?
TG
Z
TG
08:49
Toby Ganger
it worked...just not really getting any answers
08:49
shrug...perhaps not patient enough
g
08:49
goons
Oh I see. I usually see people in there back and forth most of the day
08:50
Yeah may take 10mins or so
08:50
So as this room is Amoveo 2...dare I ask what happened to Amoveo 1 ?
OK
08:50
O K
no one knows
Z
08:50
Zack
I lost access to the moderator account.
OK
08:50
O K
(tongue in cheek)
08:50
I hear it's a wild party in there though
g
08:51
goons
Mysterious I like it
Z
08:51
Zack
dropped my phone after switching countries. i don't know how to connect my old sim card to the network here
08:51
I think Amoveo 1 is filled with arabic chanting now. A little concerning actually.
g
08:51
goons
Also is it pronounced, “Am Oh Vee Oh” or “Uh Mo Vee Oh”
OK
08:51
O K
Some people say it like spanish amo and veo
08:52
I've heard people say UH MOVE OH too
Z
08:52
Zack
ah mo vay oh
g
08:52
goons
Cool
OK
Z
08:52
Zack
like spanish vowels
g
08:52
goons
I dig it
TG
08:54
Toby Ganger
what is current block reward?
g
08:55
goons
1
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09:06
Zack
A lawyer keeps messaging me saying that it is too risky for me to launch an exchange.
Maybe I should be partnering with someone who already has the legal structure in place for an exchange, and I can maintain the server and the software.
Maybe I should be partnering with someone who already has the legal structure in place for an exchange, and I can maintain the server and the software.
09:06
@potat_o is doing something like this to run a mining pool. Maybe he wants to run an exchange too?
OK
09:07
O K
I was looking forward to using your exchange ^_^
09:07
Surely there is another entrepreneurial spirit around
TG
09:08
Toby Ganger
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are there any plans in motion to get listed on existing exchanges? binance/bittrex etc?
JS
TG
09:10
Toby Ganger
any plans to ever to do that?
Z
09:11
Zack
One strategy would be to launch an exchange with a ridiculously high trading fee. That way there is a big incentive for someone else to take over as soon as possible.
AS
09:11
Aurelius | Synapse [Never DM First]
Zack, why not get it listed on a dex?
K
09:11
Kale
don't list noe
Z
09:11
Zack
I wrote software for the lightning network. It shouldn't be too difficult to modify it to work with a DEX.
K
09:11
Kale
now
AS
09:11
Aurelius | Synapse [Never DM First]
I think it would be smart to get it listed somewhere at least.
09:12
There are lots of people that want to buy but don't/can't b/c only OTC right now
Z
09:13
Zack
I guess I should keep emailing people who are running exchanges. They already have the legal framework in place.
g
09:14
goons
Yeah depending on where you live you could get really deep into the weeds w law stuff
09:15
I think there should be a GUI wallet of some type before exchange. Lots and lots of people aren’t comfortable w cli
09:15
Would probably bolster otc trading
AS
09:16
Aurelius | Synapse [Never DM First]
Not even GUI, just needs to have CSS around the current light node.
g
09:17
goons
Yeah that would work too, good point
TG
09:22
Toby Ganger
it seems like being listed on Binance or Bittrex is a must these days
MF
09:24
Mr Flintstone
lol
g
09:26
goons
Toby this is some grassroots shit ya dig
TG
09:26
Toby Ganger
obviously
g
09:27
goons
I propose you change your name to Toby Danger
TG
09:27
Toby Ganger
but grassroots is a process to achieving attention/liquidity..not an end game
09:36
i highly recommend pursuing an exchange listing at least at some point
MF
09:41
Mr Flintstone
exchanges will pursue veo
AS
AS
09:44
Aurelius | Synapse [Never DM First]
it is the real loomdart lol
TG
09:44
Toby Ganger
can anyone besides Zack initiate these governance oracles?
Z
09:45
Zack
yes. my ability to make transactions on the blockchain is the same as anyone else's.
09:45
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/api/commands_oracle.md
here is documentation on how to do it.
here is documentation on how to do it.
TG
09:46
Toby Ganger
in theory right? but in practice wouldn't it require some crazy difficult command line programming to make that happen no?
MF
09:46
Mr Flintstone
no
TG
09:46
Toby Ganger
for example, why hasn't anyone set up an oracle to alter the block time or inflation rate?
MF
09:47
Mr Flintstone
that’s a good question
09:47
it is not difficult though
09:47
it actually costs some veo atm
09:47
either 0.3 or 0.6
TG
09:47
Toby Ganger
is it possible to create a governance oracle to eliminate the dev fee for example? (hypothetical)
Z
09:47
Zack
yes, anyone can do that.
09:48
well, you can only adjust the governance variables by 50% at a time, so it would take a while to go all the way to 0.
TG
09:48
Toby Ganger
is there anyone in the world who is familiar enough with the obscure command line parameters to do it though?
Z
09:49
Zack
did you look at the doc? it isn't that obscure.
TG
09:49
Toby Ganger
i'm just asking hypotheticals by the way to understdand better
g
Z
09:49
Zack
I think anyone in this group could figure it out within 30 minutes, especially since they can ask me questions
TG
09:49
Toby Ganger
i'm not a programmer...i'm a dumbass rapper...just trying to grok this stuff
g
09:49
goons
Can u read good ?
J
09:49
Jim
I’m not sure what parameters should be adjusted to ... but I might give it a try later
g
09:50
goons
Zack is there a testnet ?
TG
09:50
Toby Ganger
fair enough...thanks for answering the questions
g
09:50
goons
That way veo fees wouldn’t be used for learning/experimenting the oracle
Z
09:51
Zack
Here is the command for making an oracle that can either raise my wage 30%, lower it 30%, or leave it the same.
api:new_governance_oracle(developer_reward, 30).
09:51
you can copy paste that exactly, no changes. one single line.
J
09:51
Jim
We probably have good consensus on an Oracle that lowers account_spend fees
TG
09:51
Toby Ganger
hmm
g
JS
Z
09:54
Zack
(amoveo_core_prod@ubuntu-512mb-fra1-01)39> trees:dict_tree_get(governance, oracle_initial_liquidity).
3382607
launching an oracle is 0.3383 veo now.
3382607
launching an oracle is 0.3383 veo now.
JS
09:55
Jon Snow
In reply to this message
I think both the account spend fee and the fee to set up an oracle
Z
09:55
Zack
api:new_governance_oracle(spend, 50).Here is the command to reduce the cost of spend fees by 50%.
TG
09:56
Toby Ganger
has anyone ever launched an oracle and what was the outcome?
g
09:58
goons
In reply to this message
So how does the “voting” work ? Each governance decision is sent to each account and there are certain number of blocks to input your answer ?
MF
10:01
Mr Flintstone
In reply to this message
the block reward was briefly raised from 1 to 1.5 outside the dev reward
TG
10:01
Toby Ganger
i see
MF
10:01
everyone bets on true false or bad question
10:02
these are called the three types
g
10:02
goons
But the question is sent to each account ? Each node ? Time limit to bet ?
MF
10:02
Mr Flintstone
the type of your bet can get matched with bets of the other two types
10:03
you can get matched on 1:1 basis only
10:03
the net unmatched amount on a type determines the oracles type output state
10:03
if it has been on this state for long enough the oracle can be finalized
10:03
winning matched types double money and losers lose all. and any markets pay out accordingly
10:04
Zack let me know if correct
10:09
In reply to this message
anyone can bet on the question. no time limit because oracles finalize as described above. There is a starting height parameter
Z
10:09
Zack
the record of every oracle on the blockchain can be read
oracles:all().
10:10
In reply to this message
there is no voting. voting is an insecure mechanism unsuitable for blockchains.
We use nakamoto consensus to come to consensus, and we use betting so that the situation can escalate to the point where we can afford to use nakamoto consensus. I wrote a lot about this in the docs.
We use nakamoto consensus to come to consensus, and we use betting so that the situation can escalate to the point where we can afford to use nakamoto consensus. I wrote a lot about this in the docs.
10:11
In reply to this message
you are correct Mr Flintstone. Very impressive that you know all this.
g
10:13
goons
In reply to this message
Yes hence the quotes. I’ve got some reading to do, thanks for the answer
TG
10:17
Toby Ganger
how does one set up a wallet?
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10:34
Jim
Hm, looks like my stats page didn’t update because I didn’t believe Amoveo would last this long (google sheets ran out of rows). 😂 My bad.
It’s probably time to update the code anyways. Might take a few days, I’m still away
It’s probably time to update the code anyways. Might take a few days, I’m still away
g
10:47
So is your mustache
MF
10:52
Mr Flintstone
any way to get a sense of non pool tx size and frequency?
10:53
veoscan includes everything
Z
TG
J
12:07
Jim
https://jimhsu.github.io/amoveo-stats/
New stats page up, please ctrl f5 to refresh and I left in the old link for the stats
New stats page up, please ctrl f5 to refresh and I left in the old link for the stats
12:07
Will be adding more stuff later
s
12:22
sanket
Zack Any plans to hire someone or work with someone. Pretty sure you are capable of doing somethings alone but you would need people to manage other things.
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14:34
Sy
and he always replies no
14:35
something about the network will pay developers via oracle i think, not sure
NI
14:43
Net Indexed
I can help out with any graphic related stuff once needed. Just holla at me.
14:52
Deleted Account
Zack or anyone, is there a built-in way to sign a message associated with a pubkey and verify it? e.g.
keys:raw_sign/1 seems to handle the signing part, but how would one verify?
S
14:56
Sy
check the lightwallet js
14:56
it signs the transaction on the js and then sends the signed transaction to a node to publish
14:57
you can run it from your local harddrive if you like
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Deleted Account
Hey, I was trying to build this wallet for amoveo but coudln't complete it. I wasn't able to generate a proper signature for the transaction that gets published to the chain. You have the complete freedom to publish the app on playstore if you can find the solution. code - https://github.com/donank/amoveo-android-wallet
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21:49
Al
Guys, got about 6 veo to sell quickly.. If needed - dm me
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22:26
Mr Flintstone
new miner ? Cool
22:26
are they hard coded to point at a certain pool?
22:27
Oh looks like there is a config file
H
22:27
HiGuy
Hi Guys,
Glad to join this great project!
Glad to join this great project!
22:28
I read many of the docs on Github and still have many questions. Are there any other readings available?
MF
22:40
Mr Flintstone
what questions do you have
H
22:41
HiGuy
General: What problem does Amoveo Solve?
Token economics: what is the token supply? i understand that the community will decide, when is it expected? is the token inflationary?
Mining: what are the minimum specs for mining? I understand that the only way to get the token is by mining or OTC.
Token economics: what is the token supply? i understand that the community will decide, when is it expected? is the token inflationary?
Mining: what are the minimum specs for mining? I understand that the only way to get the token is by mining or OTC.
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22:44
Sebsebzen via @groupagreebot
🗳 Amoveo
Which color scheme to pick for our logo? (From top left to bottom right)
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2 [3]
3 [6]
4 [2]
5 [7]
6 [0]
7 [1]
8 [4]
9 [0]
👥 25 people have voted so far
Which color scheme to pick for our logo? (From top left to bottom right)
1 [2]
2 [3]
3 [6]
4 [2]
5 [7]
6 [0]
7 [1]
8 [4]
9 [0]
👥 25 people have voted so far
MF
22:44
Mr Flintstone
In reply to this message
amoveo is trying to solve the problem of having an inexpensive and functional oracle
S
I
22:44
Iridescence
I notice Amoveo logo in Amoveopool has changed 👍
S
22:45
Sebsebzen
I'd say we wrap this up within the next day, and then will prepare the full picture pack
MF
22:45
Mr Flintstone
supply is 25k. There are truly no expectations right now for what the supply will be, but we can open a market to bet on this, and the market will tell us an implied probability. In this way we can get a sense of what the monetary policy will probably be relative to block time and block reward
S
22:45
would you be willing to grant it to Zack?
MF
22:46
Mr Flintstone
mining is currently GPU mining
22:46
so gpu hardware
Z
22:46
Zack
Gonzalo owns it
S
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22:48
Zack
I corrupted the hard drive on my mining node. I will resync and get it working again within 20 minute.
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22:50
HiGuy
In reply to this message
thanks. So currently it was set arbitrarily?
How is the governance working?
How is the governance working?
Z
22:51
Zack
yes. see my message immediately above.
22:51
Deleted Account
Oh sr
MF
22:55
Mr Flintstone
In reply to this message
block reward was set to 1 veo and hasn’t really changed
22:55
governance has been used in a limited capacity so far
H
23:00
HiGuy
Are there any markets open now? how can i participate in those?
MF
23:01
Mr Flintstone
I don’t believe there are any markets open atm
H
23:01
HiGuy
In reply to this message
Is it community votes? has it been compromised by any member? how do you enforce legitimate behavior if any?
MF
23:01
Mr Flintstone
but you can use zacks light wallet to participate
H
23:04
HiGuy
In reply to this message
Are nodes needed in order to mine? are nodes rewarded?
Thanks for answering all those questions!
Thanks for answering all those questions!
MF
23:05
Mr Flintstone
you can mine with a pool without running a full node
23:05
only mining nodes are rewarded
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23:30
HiGuy
In reply to this message
Where can I find additional general information regarding the technology and the architecture?
Thanks for your efforts!
Thanks for your efforts!
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MF
00:08
Mr Flintstone
exploring the GitHub
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01:26
Zack
In reply to this message
https://twitter.com/zack_bitcoin
It looks like my twitter post with #7 got the most upvotes. Yellow makes the Z look like lightning.
It looks like my twitter post with #7 got the most upvotes. Yellow makes the Z look like lightning.
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01:27
Sebsebzen
:) yeah I think yellow is leading if combine 7 and 8 votes
01:27
I saw zooko liked your tweet
Z
01:28
Zack
The lightning network is a very central concept for Amoveo. We have a more powerful lightning network with turing complete contracts inside of it.
01:28
⚡
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01:30
Sebsebzen
Noob question. But isn’t the lightning creator working on plasma now
01:31
Will you take in future improvements for lightning?
Z
01:48
Zack
you mean TierNolan?
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Atomic_cross-chain_trading
I don't think he is working on Plasma. He is probably too rich to work any more.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Atomic_cross-chain_trading
I don't think he is working on Plasma. He is probably too rich to work any more.
01:48
Amoveo's lightning network is much more powerful, we have turing complete contracts inside the lightning network.
MF
01:48
Mr Flintstone
I think he means Joseph poon
Z
01:49
Zack
Joseph Poon did a lot of work to write channels for bitcoin.
He is a bitcoin specialist.
I think that he did not invent anything to do with channels.
He is a bitcoin specialist.
I think that he did not invent anything to do with channels.
01:50
I invented the idea of having turing complete contracts inside the lightning network.
And I was the first person to implement this.
And I was the first person to implement this.
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02:15
Sebsebzen
Yes, poon
02:16
Wow that’s cool
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Sebsebzen
Cool. I think we’re getting in good shape
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03:35
Mike
So, I’m horribly uninformed on this, but, theoretically could I mine with FPGA’s?
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03:36
Sebsebzen
i think so, yes
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04:01
Zack
yes. FPGA should work.
I think the network is still growing too fast for FPGA to be as profitable as GPU? Hard to calculate the difference.
I think the network is still growing too fast for FPGA to be as profitable as GPU? Hard to calculate the difference.
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04:06
Advanced
Hi all
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Mr Flintstone
Hello
IP
04:23
Especially the new xilinx hardware
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04:24
Zack
We did some calculation the other day.
It seems like the hardware cost for FPGA is much higher.
The electricity cost can be 1/3rd as much.
It seems like the hardware cost for FPGA is much higher.
The electricity cost can be 1/3rd as much.
04:24
You would have to mine a long time until the FPGA is more profitable.
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04:28
Sy
so business as usual for fpgas
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initial cost is high, running cost low, hash per watt super good and you need time to make your money back
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plus you need a dev that knows his stuff, gpu is simple compared to fpga imho
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04:56
Advanced
hi guys what's the current supply of VEO? I cannot find on the blockexplorer
04:57
from here I assume that if http://veoscan.io/holders the 15% is 4075 tokens, then there is a circulating supply of around 27100 tokens
04:58
is that correct?
S
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04:58
Advanced
It cannot be... block height is 20273
S
04:58
Sy
close enough, 25.8k
A
04:59
Advanced
oh wow
04:59
what's current reward and inflation rate? :*
04:59
thanks sy
S
04:59
Sy
1 veo per block, no halfing
04:59
values can be changed via governance, read docs on github
A
05:01
Advanced
oh so it's currently 1VEO per block but it has not always been like that
S
05:01
Sy
i think the first 2000 or so where 1500
A
05:01
Advanced
okk
S
05:01
Sy
plus zack gets 20% of the current blockreward ontop
05:01
so every block is actually 1.2 right now
A
05:01
Advanced
so there is no maximum cap
S
05:01
Sy
correct
05:02
the #1 address is the devfund, unlocked at block umm 80k something i think
A
05:04
Advanced
okkk it's the average block time at least fixed?
05:04
or targeted?
05:10
is it correct to assume an average time of 400 SEC between blocks? that'd put supply increase at 10/VEO per hour
05:11
give or take
MF
05:21
Mr Flintstone
it’s targeted to 600 seconds
05:21
this is also a governance variable
A
05:24
Advanced
Okk VEO holders can vote?
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06:12
Deleted Account
WTS 600 VEO. Message me to discuss price.
AS
06:22
Aizen Sou
Hey Zack looks like a duo scammers on Discord impersonate u and scammed a few people there already (5BTC+ worth?). You need more trusted people helping u handling it or u should stop doing escrow totally, IMHO. It doesn't worth your time.
M
OK
06:23
O K
It isn't Zack's fault
AS
06:24
Aizen Sou
He is trying to be helpful but he really shouldn't waste his time on it.
OK
06:24
O K
I can't argue with that
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06:25
Justin
The, “get exposure to talking to your users” bit is of substantial value to him…
06:25
But yes, need to figure out something that scales
NI
06:25
Net Indexed
would be sweet havin a basic dex like iota had back in the days on slack
MF
06:26
Mr Flintstone
we will have an exchange soon hopefully
06:27
of course ppl were going to come here to scam :(
AS
06:35
Aizen Sou
In reply to this message
It's not a dex. It's just a trading bot and the funds was held escrowed by Y
NI
06:35
Net Indexed
yea semi automated escrow
06:35
it did the job tho
07:05
Deleted Account
Any links for discord group?
07:05
I wanna sell Veo
07:06
Deleted Account
https://discord.gg/3wuWXp only use the real Zack on the right with the crown as escrow
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07:23
Tweety
Hi can anyone tell me roughly what this is trading at?
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07:30
Mr Flintstone
hard to know for sure
07:30
but 300ish
Z
09:08
Zack
I think that someone accidentally sent me some VEO.
BJTCVISLqHB4LAABHuh+tgnS03zWUubESv2dioT9TtqzA1lLHq7bUpexDHrm6JFTLe2GtU3Ea/4q+ZpA2mDbKHg=
This is the address that sent me the 0.95565326 VEO.
If this is your address, and you didn't want to donate to me, then contact me so I can give you a refund.
BJTCVISLqHB4LAABHuh+tgnS03zWUubESv2dioT9TtqzA1lLHq7bUpexDHrm6JFTLe2GtU3Ea/4q+ZpA2mDbKHg=
This is the address that sent me the 0.95565326 VEO.
If this is your address, and you didn't want to donate to me, then contact me so I can give you a refund.
Z
09:46
Zack
Looks like BJTCVIL..... managed to solo-mine a block.
This should make it easier for us to identify them so I can give their money back
This should make it easier for us to identify them so I can give their money back
11:35
Deleted Account
Hi Zack, can you tell me please, what is the best way for me to set up a Veo wallet?
JS
11:38
J. Stone
Oliver do you want to run a full node? or do you just want to have an address/wallet to retain balance?
11:40
Deleted Account
Planning to mine a little Veo so not sure.
JS
11:41
J. Stone
things are pretty well laid out on github as far as the directions go. I'd suggest starting there. Decide if you want to run a full node or not. If not then just use the light wallet that is there
11:41
Deleted Account
Great thanks ST
11:41
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12:30
make sure you save your private key.
12:33
Deleted Account
Got it, thanks. and whenever i visit this page i just load my public address into the {put your pubkey here to make a watch-only wallet that is unable to spend money} ? Would that be correct.
Z
12:58
Zack
A watch-only wallet doesn't let you spend any Veo.
If you want to spend, you need to load your private key.
If you want to spend, you need to load your private key.
TG
13:00
Toby Ganger
realistically....any possibility we could see this coin on exchanges by the end of summer?
t
13:31
touzi
有人挖出 veo 吗？
S
13:33
Small exchanges tho
TG
13:34
Toby Ganger
fair enough...when do you'll think it'll reach the big boys? Binance/Bittrex/etc.?
13:40
or Upbit etc? Korean exchanges
13:41
the tech is incredible...just wish the whole presentation was more human friendly at some point
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t
14:48
touzi
veo How many total?
14:49
I didn't find it on the white paper
TG
14:53
Toby Ganger
i've been told about 25k
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15:14
Sy
there is no total
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16:17
Chris 🍞
is there no windows or mac wallet?
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16:23
Net Indexed
u can use the lightwallet on git
16:23
there ain't a compiled app/exe with GUI
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17:00
Jim
Every node in fact has a lightwallet, but only use one that you trust
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Deleted Account
Can someone tell me how to use the Light Wallet please, every time i visit http://159.65.120.84:8080/wallet.html there is a new public key under account. i saved my private key and public key from first time, but dont know how to see the wallet/address.
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20:10
Sy
load it back
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key will change to the first one you saved it for
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Deleted Account
Load it where Sy
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Sy
same screen
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get key from file
20:11
it is kinda obvious if you read it 😁
20:12
Deleted Account
Ha ha if your a genius like yourself, i am not a genius though.
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20:20
Deleted Account
It worked, thanks Sy.
IP
20:26
I P
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well that's a good idea, is there any contract deployed right now?
Z
20:29
Zack
We have launched a couple markets before. No live markets now.
MF
20:44
Mr Flintstone
In reply to this message
can you / zack expand on the trust requirement ? like we’re just trusting the node to report the chain data correctly and to relay any signed messages. we’re not trusting with our private key in any way even if loaded to light wallet right? All key activities kept client side?
S
20:48
Sy
if js is unmodified, yes
20:48
the node only gets the signed tx
MF
20:49
Mr Flintstone
js could be modified by some kind of man in middle?
20:49
idk much about these things
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21:07
Sy
nope, node owner tho
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21:53
Mr Flintstone
got it. thanks
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22:33
Mr Flintstone
With zacks help I wrote a post about how amoveo’s oracle works including walk through of an oracle life cycle. it will hopefully help people understand the oracle better
OK
MF
22:34
Mr Flintstone
i tried to have it designed to be easy to understand, so if any part of this post fails in that aspect please let me know
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22:41
goons
In reply to this message
Did you also post on the ANN or twitter or somewhere else besides github? Most folks won’t check github
MF
22:47
Mr Flintstone
In reply to this message
no - if people think it is a helpful / clear explanation, probably makes sense to put on twitter etc you are right
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23:25
Zack
In reply to this message
If the node serves you the software I wrote, then it is very trustless. You don't trust any blockchain data, instead your light node verifies Merkel proofs for all of it.
It is also secure against attacks of omission, which is a security vulnerability for all bitcoin light nodes. You light node doesn't necessarily know about all the transactions effecting your account.
The software I wrote never sends your private key to anyone else.
If you download bad light node software, then it can do anything. It could steal all your coins, or send your private key to an attacker.
It is also secure against attacks of omission, which is a security vulnerability for all bitcoin light nodes. You light node doesn't necessarily know about all the transactions effecting your account.
The software I wrote never sends your private key to anyone else.
If you download bad light node software, then it can do anything. It could steal all your coins, or send your private key to an attacker.
23:26
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Always get work exception
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What's wrong
23:26
Now back to normal
23:27
Not stable
23:29
Now get work exception again
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10 May 2018
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01:14
ezra
What’s the best way to buy right now? Anyone selling otc?
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01:17
Mr Flintstone
Yeah on the discord
01:17
beware of scammers of course
TG
01:21
Toby Ganger
Be very aware of scammers. I think two or three people got scammed yesterday and they almost got me too
01:22
Thanks for the blog post Zack. This is helpful to have the concepts in simpler language for explanatory purposes.
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03:10
Tarrence van As
Whats the market rate for VEO right now?
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03:13
Sy
arund 300
03:13
+/- 50 imho
Tv
03:35
Tarrence van As
Cool ty
04:18
Deleted Account
will there be the possibility of dapps on amoveo?
MF
04:32
Mr Flintstone
amoveo supports Turing complete smart contracts in channels
04:33
there are not on-chain smart contract as far as I know Zack
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04:45
Zack
mr flintstone is right.
04:46
Deleted Account
ty
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04:47
Zack
So far I programmed 2 smart contracts.
One if for doing lightning payments in the channels, the other is for markets to bet on the outcome of an oracle. It is a binary-forwards contract
One if for doing lightning payments in the channels, the other is for markets to bet on the outcome of an oracle. It is a binary-forwards contract
MF
04:50
Mr Flintstone
is there something like bitcoin opcodes?
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06:36
Toby Ganger
any possibility of shifting the decimal point over a few spaces to make more units? for example...if it was moved over 4 spaces...it would have 250 million coins and each one would be about .035 USD....as illogical as it is...people do have an inherent unit bias towards "cheaper prices" as they're more digestible...
Z
06:56
Zack
In reply to this message
The language for programming turing complete contracts in the channels is based on bitcoin opcodes.
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/chalang
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/chalang
MF
06:59
Mr Flintstone
In reply to this message
it is up to whoever is coding the wallet. The actual amoveo blockchain does not have any concept of “veo”. Satoshi is the only unit
06:59
we can start using mveo (1000 mveo per veo) if ppl feel like it’s too expensive
TG
07:00
Toby Ganger
obviously...same as Bitcoin....but there is an important psychological component to these things no matter how arbitrary
07:02
if one is going to switch to mveo...it would be wise to implement that early on...it's harder to make that psychological switch as it enters the collective crypto conscious
MF
07:02
Mr Flintstone
yeah it becomes more difficult over time definitely
OK
07:04
O K
Well, it's parabolic right?
TG
07:04
Toby Ganger
for example...a VEO showing up on coinmarketcap with a price of $3.50 for 2.5 million coins has a much better public perception than a $350 coin for 25 thousand coins
07:05
especially if/when the price is in thousands per
OK
07:05
O K
Because we will stop using USD.
07:05
It will be easier to say "1 Veo = 10 BTC"
TG
07:05
Toby Ganger
i always price everything in satoshis...but it will be a good while before most people do
OK
07:06
O K
Maybe it will catch on
TG
07:06
Toby Ganger
welcome to the blockchain...things are about to change...(but it's gonna take some time).
07:07
it usually takes a decade for society to catch up to new technology..so even though we're 9 years in...it didn't really enter the public conscious till 2013 at all...and not really in a major way until 2017
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Deleted Account
HI, any setup direction for window 7? thx
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10:23
Jon Snow
Wow, Toby is actually a rapper. I thought you were joking lol
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10:28
Toby Ganger
😉
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10:47
Deve Kliman
hello! can somebody tell me how to sign an offline transaction?
Z
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10:48
Deve Kliman
ok so if i download that
10:48
and create a wallet, can i make an offline tx?
10:49
oh yeah i have that one, but is there a new one? it didn't seem to sign a transaction for me and give me anything i can use to broadcast it to the network
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11:03
you have to do "raw spend" while connected to the network. you use a watch-only wallet for this.
Then you sign it on a cold storage machine.
Then you use the same light node page while connected to the network to broadcast.
Same process you would go through for bitcoin cold storage.
Then you sign it on a cold storage machine.
Then you use the same light node page while connected to the network to broadcast.
Same process you would go through for bitcoin cold storage.
DK
11:14
Deve Kliman
aha!
11:15
ok so i think i get it.. when i do the raw spend.. does it save a file somewhere?
11:15
so there is an important aspect of a wallet being synched with the blockchain to make the raw spend
DK
11:35
Deve Kliman
hi
11:35
i generated an offline signed transaction
11:35
i can paste it in pm?
11:36
anyway i pasted it into the "broadcast transaction" box and when i click to broadcast, nothing happens. there is no indication i have done anything
Z
11:42
Zack
In reply to this message
When you do raw spend it displays the raw tx in your browser. You can copy paste it into a thumb drive or whatever to move it to cold storage.
DK
11:43
Deve Kliman
right that's what i did
Z
11:43
Zack
The blockchain needs to be synced to make a tx in bitcoin because you need to know about unspent transaction outputs.
In Amoveo it needs to be synced because you need to know what your current account nonce is.
In Amoveo it needs to be synced because you need to know what your current account nonce is.
DK
11:43
Deve Kliman
i brought it to the cold wallet, signed the raw tx
Z
11:43
Zack
In reply to this message
yes. the transaction eventually is put onto the blockchain. it doesn't have anything you need to keep secret.
DK
11:43
Deve Kliman
brought it back to the online wallet, loaded it over again, put in the pubkey then put in the signed tx
11:44
right i did paste it to you in pm
11:44
but when i do press the broadcast button, should i see any confirmation?
Z
11:44
Zack
In reply to this message
this page included 0th confirmation txs when calculating your balance: http://159.89.106.253:8080/explorer.html
DK
11:45
Deve Kliman
i just don't know whether or not my signed transaction was accepted
Z
11:45
Zack
I don't recall.
There is no harm in broadcasting the same tx more than once. it can't get included more than once.
There is no harm in broadcasting the same tx more than once. it can't get included more than once.
DK
11:45
Deve Kliman
ok so i pressed the button a few times
11:45
and gave it to you to try
Z
11:45
Zack
To see if it is accepted you can also check one of the block explorers.
DK
11:46
Deve Kliman
to broadcast a tx what should you do on the wallet page?
Z
DK
11:46
Deve Kliman
is it necessary to paste the public wallet number?
Z
11:46
Zack
or you can check your balance in the page I already shared.
DK
11:46
Deve Kliman
yeah the balance hasn't changed
Z
11:46
Zack
to broadcast your pubkey doesn't matter.
DK
11:46
Deve Kliman
after about 15 mins
Z
11:47
Zack
which light node are you broadcasting with?
DK
11:47
Deve Kliman
ok so it's just a matter of loading the wallet page, pasting the signed tx into the signed tx box, and hitting broadcast
Z
11:47
Zack
right
DK
11:47
any other suggestions?
Z
11:47
Zack
I suggest not using this one, since there is no way to use the explorer from the same node.
DK
11:48
Deve Kliman
ok so which one?
Z
DK
11:48
Deve Kliman
ok
Z
11:49
Zack
http://159.89.106.253:8080/explorer.html
And this is the explorer for the same node, so you can see if it knows about your 0th confirmation tx.
And this is the explorer for the same node, so you can see if it knows about your 0th confirmation tx.
DK
11:50
Deve Kliman
hm
11:50
i think for the light wallet it needs to at least give me some feedback when i tap a button...
11:50
as in... "sorry no transaction was published."
11:50
"your transaction has been published, here is the tx hash"
11:50
anything?
11:51
so far i don't see a tx hash
11:51
or a change in balance
11:52
would it let me sign a tx on the airgap computer if i didn't have the correct key loaded?
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12:05
Zack
It might let you sign with an invalid key.
Then the tx would be invalid.
This is an important failure mode we should test. Thank you for the suggestion.
Then the tx would be invalid.
This is an important failure mode we should test. Thank you for the suggestion.
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12:42
Deve Kliman
yeah i really want to KNOW i have a public and private key pair that matches
12:42
i sent you the signed tx... so you can look in your browser console to see if it's working right or not
TG
12:56
Toby Ganger
can I again propose it's worth considering shifting the decimal point so that the supply is 2.5 million or 25 million so that price is digestable for the unit biased masses
12:58
maybe it won't be a problem for index funds or hedgefunds..but small investors get frightened by the higher prices because they don't really understand or like the concept of buying fractions of a coin
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12:59
Jim
It’s up to exchanges and such to decide if they want to list MVEO (hint hint)
TG
13:00
Toby Ganger
no...it's up to developers to decide if they're going to implement an oracle to move the decimal
13:00
trying to switch to micro units after using larger units is very hard to do
13:01
psychologically
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13:01
Zack
the oracle doesn't control the decimal's location.
all the governance variables are here: https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/design/governance.md
all the governance variables are here: https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/design/governance.md
TG
13:01
Toby Ganger
the tech is great but is not currently human facing
J
13:01
Jim
Node is based off of satoshis, as with bitcoin/ethereum
TG
13:02
Toby Ganger
so would it require a fork to change the balances?
13:02
balances should change...so one VEO becomes 1000
13:03
i understand it's ultimately irrelevant in terms of quantity...but psychologically this stuff is important...thus why i mention the human facing component
AS
13:03
Aurelius | Synapse [Never DM First]
yeah unfortunately I believe a fork would be required
13:03
and tony I agree with you
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13:06
Zack
No fork necessary.
It is like Jim Hsu said. It is up to exchanges and wallets how to display the number.
It is like Jim Hsu said. It is up to exchanges and wallets how to display the number.
TG
13:06
Toby Ganger
which means they'll display it as it currently is
13:07
for the sake of simplicity and uniformity
J
13:14
Jim
Could just edit JavaScript and multiply the numbers shown by 1000
TG
13:24
Toby Ganger
there needs to be generally understood numbers for supply.....supply is either 25k, or 25 million...needs to be a standard for CMC for example
S
14:05
Sebsebzen
So Sat is the denominator under the hood so to speak
14:05
?
14:05
And display is all about wallet etc?
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14:17
Topab
Interesting project! I looked into the github page but could not find information about the total amount of coins that will ever exist and similar metrics, where can I find that?
14:24
I would also like to create a wallet I simply go http://159.65.120.84:8080/wallet.html ?
DS
15:08
Denis Stepannikov
Hello, 1 hour ago my balance at amoveopool2 was 0.38
Now the balance on the pool has been reset, but there was no payment to my wallet, why did it happen?
Now the balance on the pool has been reset, but there was no payment to my wallet, why did it happen?
15:08
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my VEO address: BF6lLRVbCkcpdske8GfcM9wc/8KnMjDy3NflbRuVUsqUoabeHes/+yQerRJ2SsHKtQK/aiDdDHUkZs9Jeg4GiFc=
s
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Sy
just changing the wallet wouldnt work tho
15:13
you got 9 wallets that display mVeo one displays VEO, imagine the panic
15:13
or confusion when ppl mix it up
15:13
you either hardfork and multiply every balance by 1000 so you can keep VEO or it stays as it is
15:13
block reward would have to increase aswell tho
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15:34
Topab
I have been looking at the explanation on how oracles work on amoveo in https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/blog_posts/oracles_overview.md The summary says "As you can see, the proper functioning of question oracles in Amoveo relies on VEO holders’ willingness to bet against incorrect bets. This willingness relies on the assumption that miners will follow the chain where the final oracle types are true representations of what happened. This is the same kind of consensus Bitcoin uses. As long as holders can rely on this fact, they will be comfortable to take the other side of any incorrect oracle bets. Also, if this assumption holds, nobody would even want to bet on the incorrect outcome because they would definitely lose money" Is not this the same as other oracles like Augur and others ... basically you lose your stake if you do not say what happened accurately ... or am I missing something? what are the differences? Thanks
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Denis Stepannikov
Hello, who can ask a question about payments from the pool amoveopool2?
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Minieep21
600 members!
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Kale
who can send me a veo's logo
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16:51
We’re about to release the logo pack
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16:51
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16:52
this?
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16:52
Sebsebzen
We have chosen a color scheme too
16:52
I’ll upload later todya
DS
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17:15
Kale
ok
17:15
thanks
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Sy
Hey all,
we've finally released our miner along with a new pool, check it out
http://veopool.pw/
its linux only and yes, you can switch pools
we've finally released our miner along with a new pool, check it out
http://veopool.pw/
its linux only and yes, you can switch pools
C
17:44
Chris 🍞
wil you make a windows build?
IP
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17:50
TradeButWhy
Any idea when we can expect some sort of market accessibility in terms of website/exchanges and such?
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Sy
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a windows build is a bit more complicated here...we are looking into it
Answer: maybe
Answer: maybe
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18:08
Chris 🍞
ooh saweeeeeet
18:08
i’m getting 3600 now on a different miner
18:10
testing on 8x1080ti ROG now
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Chris 🍞
3500mh on regular 1080
18:14
4500 on 1080ti
18:14
4500mh on 210watt on a 1080ti ROG
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18:16
Sy
not my cards, lemme check
18:18
mine are running at 4gh flat with 180w PL and stock clocks, kfa 1080ti
C
18:19
Chris 🍞
nice
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19:53
Zack
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Augur has a subcurrency called Rep. It is expensive because they need to pay all the rep holders to keep the price of rep high enough.
Ours is much more affordable.
Augur is only secure if the volume of bets is less than the subcurrency's market cap.
Ours is secure no matter how many bets there are.
Ours is much more affordable.
Augur is only secure if the volume of bets is less than the subcurrency's market cap.
Ours is secure no matter how many bets there are.
19:56
Deleted Account
@potat_o Show a different balance than I should have on amoveopool2 can you DM me and we'll get this figuredo ut?
OK
19:57
O K
Sure
19:59
Just an orphaned block, I think several tx were included in one today around 20558
20:01
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Hi Denis, it was included in block 20558 which was orphaned. The balance had moved from Accumulating to Pending. It will stay in pending until a payment is automatically resent and confirmed. Sorry for the confusion
DS
20:04
Denis Stepannikov
Thank you very much. i'will wait
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20:50
zhou
What is the total amount?
MF
21:14
Mr Flintstone
lol 200 second blocks right now
JS
21:15
Jon Snow
wow, we have 600+people here now
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MF
21:29
Mr Flintstone
no total limit. block reward and block time are decided by a futarchy process where veo holders can bet on what should happen
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21:55
Sebsebzen
dear all, we have finished the logo and color scheme
21:58
thanks for your input
21:58
full package following soon
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22:15
Sebsebzen
I think so too!
Aaron invited Aaron
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23:03
Aaron
what's the status of project?
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IP
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11 May 2018
MF
00:13
Mr Flintstone
pretty cool that amoveo already enables sharding
00:14
if I am interpreting correctly
JS
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00:36
Zack
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no one is using sharding yet. It is set up so that turning sharding on should be easy.
00:36
I guess I should make a sharded node to prove it works.
IP
00:36
and we need more things we can bet on