13 April 2018
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07:26
Deleted Account
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with 2 1080ti
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09:34
Iridescence
What's the Amoveo trading discord?
OK
09:35
O K
In reply to this message
It's just the regular one, but one of the channels
I
09:36
Iridescence
It says that the invite is invalid or expired
OK
09:36
O K
hmm,
I
09:36
Iridescence
I got in
09:36
I found an earlier invite link
R
16:12
Ronan (@wighawag)
Hey, I used to mine on the first Amoveo pool but did not get my reward. Is there any chance I get it now (it show zero on the new amoveo2 pool) ?
B
22:14
BG5EHI
wait few hours
IP
22:15
I P
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you need to talk to @Mandelhoff as he was the owner of amoveopool. pool2 is run by other person
MF
23:38
Mr Flintstone
new diff should be ~ 3959
23:39
this represents ~ a 50% increase
15 April 2018
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01:59
Sy
Could be worse...will be worse
07:59
Deleted Account
soon only giant miner will mine.
Z
08:00
Zack
Every time the difficulty goes up, bo says it is the end and he can't profitably mine any more.
But he is still here.
08:00
Deleted Account
lol
OK
08:01
O K
classic bo
08:01
Deleted Account
I never calculate the electricity cost so far.
OK
08:01
O K
😁
08:03
Deleted Account
what's the hashrate of rx580?
IP
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I P
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14:58
Sy
Zack shouldnt height vs 8081 return block:height and not api:height?
15:00
doit({height}) -> {ok, block:height()};
15:00
yet it returned api:height().
15:00
block:height().
15624
api:height().
15652
curl -i -d "[\"height\"]" http://localhost:8081/
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
server: Cowboy
date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 06:58:25 GMT
content-length: 12
content-type: application/octet-stream
Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *

["ok",15652]
15:07
hmm node not starting anymore...interesting
15:12
make prod-restart
===> Verifying dependencies...
===> Compiling amoveo_http
===> Compiling amoveo_core
===> Starting relx build process ...
===> Resolving OTP Applications from directories:
/root/amoveo/_build/prod/lib
/root/amoveo/apps
/usr/lib/erlang/lib
/root/amoveo/_build/prod/rel
===> Resolved amoveo_core-0.1.0
===> Including Erts from /usr/lib/erlang
===> release successfully created!
make[1]: Entering directory '/root/amoveo'
Node is not running!
Makefile:144: recipe for target 'attach' failed
make[1]: *** [attach] Error 1
15:12
nothing in crash.log
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15:39
Sy
server restart fixed it...how do i remove peers from list? i got 0.0.0.0 in there no idea why
Z
16:43
Zack
Probably just attaching failed.
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B
23:38
Ben
what is the best miner for AMD currently?
16 April 2018
OK
00:13
O K
Phamhuong92 VeoMiner is the only one I know, works great for me
Z
00:16
Zack
Phamhuong92 miner can only connect to OK's pool.
B
01:17
Ben
i tried that one, does not work on ethos
B
01:19
BG5EHI
yes
01:19
ethos is ubuntu 14
OK
01:49
O K
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I would just get a USB stick and install ubuntu on it, boot from that. Then you don't have to mess with ethos setup at all
R
02:49
Ronan (@wighawag)
thanks @kitty123 . @Mandelhoff let me know what should I do. Cheers
IP
02:49
I P
glad that it worked out well!
02:50
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as i remeber hive os is based on ubuntu 16, you may consoder to try it
03:34
Deleted Account
Hey zack, I am trying to consolidate a few of my wallets into one using 159.89.106.253:8080/wallet.html. i am trying to send the entire balance of the wallet but when i click spend, the tx doent seem to go through (balance remains/veo not received). Could this be because the sending fee is coming from the wallet and so i dont have enough for the transaction?
Z
03:36
Zack
Yes that could be why.
Fee is like 0.00152 Veo.

It could also be that you didn't wait long enough for the tx to be included in a block.
03:37
Deleted Account
Ok will try subtracting the fee before i send and waiting. Thank you for the help!
Z
03:37
Zack
No problem
M
06:10
Minieep21
Will it be possible to lower the fee?
Z
06:11
Zack
yes. the fees for each tx type are governance variables.
06:36
Deleted Account
Zack is there a published list of governance variables?
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18:05
Sy
api:delete_account(Pub). deletes the account and moves all money to the given pubkey correct?
18:06
base64:decode(<<>>) or plain?
Z
18:06
Zack
yes, it deletes the account and sends the money to the pubkey
18:07
the api accepts either format for the pubkey.
S
18:07
Sy
ah nice
18:07
cheers
18:08
and delete_account uses the api:pubkey acc correct?
Z
18:10
Zack
delete account deletes your account.
api:pubkey displays the pubkey for your account.
18:10
==============
Wars happen because the warlords can divide us up, teaching each half a different narrative until we hate each other.

Both narratives are almost completely unrelated to reality.

Since the warlords control the propaganda machine, it is a lot of effort to realize what is going on.

Prediction markets allow us to easily disprove both narratives. So that looking up whether a narrative is true is as simple as looking up the price of shares of Amazon stock.

We have a moral imperative to get this technology working. millions of lives are at stake over the next decade.
Once we stop wasting resources on war, quality of life will improve for billions of people.

Together we can build a better future.
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18:10
Sy
im running everything on the node itself...
18:11
ah well I will see what happens ^^
MH
21:56
Mandel Hoff
Happy 16,001 everyone!
New diff:
3967037953015808
BG
22:16
Boob Grabber
BG
22:49
Boob Grabber
Wir rollen zurΓΌck... πŸ˜ƒ
22:49
We're rolling backwards... where's the handbrake? πŸ˜‰
B
22:50
Ben
who was running that site again?
OK
22:50
O K
In reply to this message
Very close
Z
22:51
Zack
Jim hsu.
It isn't perfect. It is refresh a few times it usually works.
B
22:51
Ben
lets wait until this settle again
BG
22:53
Boob Grabber
Fixed (itself?)...
23:04
Deleted Account
/
23:07
😭😭😭😭
A
23:16
Al
And next diff increase will be in?
Z
23:20
Zack
Every 2000 blocks.
23:20
At height 18000
A
23:22
Al
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Thank you Zack, can't calculate number of days
Z
23:22
Zack
At 10 minutes per block, 1000 blocks is about 1 week.
23:23
Historically amoveo blocks take less than 5 minutes, because mining power is growing all the time.
A
23:24
Al
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Ah you are so smart, thank you! Guess diff will increase 50% each 2000 blocks?
S
23:25
Sy
time will tell
A
23:35
Al
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Isn't it just plain maths?
S
23:35
Sy
yes but math doesnt know if hashrate will increase or not
A
23:35
Al
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Block height is ofcourse mining speed, but diff?
S
23:36
Sy
last increase was 20%, before that 400%
A
23:36
Al
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Ah thank you! Now I am completely lost :)
AS
23:37
Aizen Sou
1000$ per VEO πŸ”œ
Z
23:37
Zack
In reply to this message
Difficulty adjusts every 2000 blocks to try and make it 10 minutes per block.
OK
23:38
O K
In reply to this message
(so if the block time stays (about) 10 mins after this recent adjustment, the difficulty will stay (about) the same... Usually more hashpower comes online though)
A
23:38
Al
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So it can be lower if there will be less miners? No static diff adjustment - like from block 1-100 is 10%, 2-3000 this one
S
23:39
Sy
diff is always variable
Z
23:39
Zack
Right.
If more miners join, the difficulty goes up.
If miners turn off, the difficulty could go down.

The difficulty has never gone down so far.
S
23:39
Sy
it tries to make sure you generate the same amount of coins over a certain time
23:40
target blocktime is 10 minutes, if the avg of 2000 blocks is lower, it goes up, otherwise down
A
23:40
Al
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If I remember correctly it is no the case for ETH - there is some kind of formula - not dependent on miner hash and count
Z
23:40
Zack
False. Ethereum targets a block time of like 15 seconds I think?
S
23:42
Sy
most new coins retarget per block now
23:42
really jumpy on low hashrates but okay once you got your base
17 April 2018
05:33
Deleted Account
@potat_o : transaction pending for a long time from your pool.
OK
05:34
O K
Pm me the first 5 of the address
05:39
Pending just means we don't consider it confirmed. If you check the light wallet the chances are that you have already received it
06:59
Deleted Account
how much is this increase in difficulty? 50%?
07:03
Deleted Account
That's what I heard @smubo
Z
07:26
Zack
it about doubled the difficulty. block time is currently about 7 minutes.
07:26
Deleted Account
Anyone buying for a decent rate right now?
07:27
Deleted Account
sad to hear that
07:27
are you guys going to buy in new hardwares?
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IP
07:32
I P
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nope. summer is coming and its getting hot in my room
07:32
it was great during winter i did not have to use heater with eth dual mining lol=))
07:32
Deleted Account
I just ordered a new air conditioner lol
IP
07:33
I P
i think i will try to move my old pcs that are transformed into small rigs to a balcony or smth
J
07:43
Jim
Happy to see the estimates coming in within 5%. Node is running and updating itself - im traveling and not anywhere near a computer
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10:23
Deleted Account
@potat_o are you considering lowering the payout from 0.85 when the new difficulty?
10:23
With**
IP
10:38
I P
yep, would be good to have it like 0.5 or so
10:41
Deleted Account
Yea .4 to .5 would help us small ppl a lot πŸ˜‚
11:41
Deleted Account
lol means ?
12:05
Deleted Account
any possiblity that the difficulty goes down?
12:08
Deleted Account
Not likely unless a bunch of miners leave which wouldn’t be good for the overall growth of the project.
12:19
Deleted Account
I'd like to see either .5 or 1 just to help my OCD lol
s
13:19
shiggidy (will never dm you first)
It's too difficult for small miners to get paid from the pool, it's ok they can mine something else ;)
13:19
Leave your fraction of a coin for me 😁
N
13:46
NM$L
How's it going?
Z
18:33
Zack
I am editing the compiled binary veominer for ubuntu to teach it to use my mining pool.
Can anyone test it out for me?
18:35
Has anyone identified PhanHuong's address? I can probably turn off their reward in the miner.
18:37
probably easy for @potat_o to find out by looking at shares in his mining pool
S
18:48
Sy
you dont turn off the reward in someone elses work...
Z
18:49
Zack
they aren't maintaining it. Besides, closed source is bad.
S
18:49
Sy
write a better one...
Z
18:49
Zack
Is Sy == Phan Huong?
18:50
You want me to stop working on the exchange, and to work on a miner instead?
18:50
I think that would be bad for Amoveo.
18:52
https://github.com/PhamHuong92/VeoMiner/issues/3
I made an issue 6 days ago. No response.
S
19:23
Sy
na, i want you to accept to leave things that are out of your reach or knowledge untouched and concentrate on what you can do
Z
19:24
Zack
At this point Phantom huongs miner is becoming a centralizing influence. It stops anyone from wanting to make a mining pool, since no miner can join any other pool besides the one Phantom huong chose.
S
19:24
Sy
there were always closed source miners and pools and there always will be, someone put work into those to usually make a living, patching that out is just wrong
A
19:24
Al
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Zack you as our Dev can make a contest with price in Amoveo - best miner will be used in community
S
19:24
Sy
the pool situation is just fine as it is tbh...
Z
19:25
Zack
If Phan huong did even small amounts of maintenance this wouldn't be a problem. But they have abandoned the community. No reason to support someone who abandons us.
19:26
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/veominer_reverse_engineering

I am looking for someone to test out this miner. It should work the same as Ubuntu 16 pham huong miner.
19:26
Deleted Account
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http://amoveo.noncense.tech are doing payouts every 0.2 VEO and we are paying all transaction fees on all those small transfers.
A
19:28
Al
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I am on Windows, sorry
Z
19:28
Zack
Nonsense open source pool is being damaged by the closed source miner.
Closed source amoveopool2 is getting lots of free money.

It is a non-linear situation. I feel justified in reverse engineering Phan huongs miner in this case.
19:28
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Ok, I'll make a windows version.
19:32
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I added the windows version
19:32
Deleted Account
We are also in the process of making our own much faster CUDA miner, but have been to busy with other things to complete it. Having all pools supply a standardized API endpoint for getting hashrate we could let the miner decide which one to chose on start-up. We think that would be a good idea.
S
19:36
Sy
all pools work the same right now
19:37
the only difference is the endpoint, some use / and others /work/
A
19:37
Al
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Not swtiching in console
Z
19:38
Zack
what do you mean by "not switching"?
I ran some tests with my mining pool, and I think this first version wont work
19:38
ill try again.
S
19:39
Sy
invalid header without enough workblock organizer add
invalid header without enough workblock absorber died!
died!
19:39
thats a new one
s
19:40
shiggidy (will never dm you first)
Zack I can do it
19:40
On Linux
19:40
Message me on discord
19:40
I'll work with you to test it
19:41
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I'll send you a message on discord
19:49
Deleted Account
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That endpoint is fine, I’m talking about a new one like /hashrate that’s just returning a number that can be used by mining software
Z
19:50
Zack
http://veoscan.io/blocks
You can see relative hashrates here.
19:50
Because of Phan Huong's miner, now Amoveopool2 has >51%
19:51
It is a small update we are requesting from Phan Huong, but they refuse to even communicate with us.
19:51
for 6 days.
S
19:53
Sy
ap2 has been close and above 50% for weeks...but i agree, phans miner did give it quite some more hashrate
19:53
but as you said, someone would need 51% for a thousand blocks to launch an attack and you could just fork to prevent it so...what gives?
Z
19:55
Zack
A 51% attack can revert blocks. They can make trades for bitcoin, and then revert the veo payment.
51% of mining power in one pool is very bad.
S
20:01
Sy
if you get a few in a row, yes
20:02
more pools and miners will come, just relax and wait
20:02
amoveo is still young
Z
20:03
Zack
OK can revert any payment he wants.
He could repeatedly sell veo and then undo the payments to get his veo back.
S
20:03
Sy
and you think no one will notice?
Z
20:03
Zack
no luck involved. it would work every time.
S
20:03
Sy
and why bite the hand that feeds? there isnt enough money in this yet anyway
20:03
and once there is the pools will be there
20:04
you are lucky if you can sell a hundred veo, thats 15-17k and revert it to never gain any veo again...naa
20:04
both of us will keep playing the pool game
20:04
its in our best interest
Z
20:05
Zack
How about this, what if someone claims that OK reverted a tx, but they are just lying.
How would you tell the difference?
20:05
We might as well just be using a central computer run by OK.
S
20:06
Sy
he is barely above 50%
20:06
108 54.55% amoveopool2
20:06
but that is his problem if someone wants to frame him, not yours nor mine
20:06
and it would only damage the entity you want to be gone anyway
Z
20:06
Zack
Maybe we can pay OK to change the URL for submitting work.
Then Phan Huong will stop getting paid until the fixes it.
OK
20:08
O K
Has anyone reached out to the phamhuong on discord?
20:08
I don't know if it's him, probably a good chance it's not
Z
20:08
Zack
@potat_o Would you consider changing the url for submitting work?
There is a problem with Phan Huong's miner where we can't change which mining pool it joins.

By changing your url, we can force him to update the code
20:08
I left an issue on his github
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20:09
Zack
You can even take a week to do it, and allow 2 urls for a while.
OK
20:09
O K
I will try to contact him today, and consider alternatives if I can't reach him sure
20:10
Today is an unfortunate day as I'm dealing with an unexpected tax issue, but I guess when it rains it pours they say
S
20:18
Sy
what if he just fixes the url and stays on amovepool2?
OK
20:18
O K
I guess you know he's paying attention and doesn't care then
20:19
I have a feeling he's in for the long game too, that seems like a bad play
20:19
I would like to think it may be just a language barrier
A
20:19
Al
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May be he is ill or something
Z
20:20
Zack
Yes, I think that Phan Huong wants Amoveo to succeed. But besides cutting off his cash flow, I don't see how to contact him. He is ignoring issues on github.
OK
20:20
O K
Sure, that's why I feel like I have some responsibility to reach out before taking any action. I intend to pm him on Reddit and discord
Z
20:20
Zack
He doesn't provide an email address or way to contact him
20:23
ok, I messaged him on reddit and discord like you suggested
20:23
it is a good idea. hopefully he will realize
OK
20:30
O K
Some people are more responsive by Pm, maybe he is shy too
P
21:58
Pan
Sometime, the VeoMiner1.2 showed the message:
''Share submitted - Not valid share. Difficulty too low.''

What's the meaning?
Does the miner work good?
22:02
I got some reason from above discussion!
I
23:01
Iridescence
I think Zack should be free to try to modify the miner, especially if the maintainer is not reponsive
23:02
It isn't that hard to support two different kinds of urls anyway
IP
23:14
I P
guys just wait a bit
23:15
this does not look like an urgent problem
23:15
if that guy does not communicate for more than a week maybe consider other options
23:22
Deleted Account
WTS 7 @ $175 each
IP
23:25
I P
@dontshoot619 dirty dumper=(
23:31
Deleted Account
Nah I'm not dumping
23:31
Need to afford some things
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01:19
Iridescence
$175 is dumping πŸ˜‚
01:20
Is there some person buying up Veo above $150? Was wondering why discord prices are like $200 now
S
01:20
Sy
they have been like 200 for at least a week, probably two
01:20
gotta send signals :)
I
01:23
Iridescence
wonder what the volume is...
01:24
or if it's just a massive spread with no volume
01:24
oh well
A
01:24
Al
Mb asked previosly, but does block size reduce?
I
01:24
Iridescence
just idle thoughts
S
01:24
Sy
most trades are around 130 - 160 afaik
01:24
mostly miners around
02:03
Deleted Account
Is phamhuong in the house? Need to ask her about her AMD miner.
I
02:04
Iridescence
Is phamhuong a girl's name?
02:08
Deleted Account
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Yes. Don't miners help secure the network? I have 5 old AMD cards that hasn't been utilized because we haven't got a working AMD miner 😊
02:08
Yes.
02:08
I am Viet so I know.
OK
02:09
O K
We haven't been able to get in touch with PhamHuong today, but maybe we can help you get your miners working if you ask here?
02:09
Deleted Account
Direct translation of Huong is Scent.
02:11
Deleted Account
Beauty pageant with a brain? Almost impossible. πŸ˜†
02:12
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Just couldn't install open cl on Windows 10
02:13
OK
02:14
O K
Oh show the whole thing when you start it
02:14
What platformid do you use?
02:14
Try platformid 1 or 2
02:15
Opencl install failed?
02:16
Deleted Account
Yes.
OK
02:17
O K
You will need it, why does it fail?
02:18
Deleted Account
Crashed. Will try again
02:20
02:22
02:23
02:24
Deleted Account
Yes
OK
02:25
O K
What does fail show when you click it? Is your hard drive full?
02:25
Deleted Account
I am going to try to uninstall
OK
02:25
O K
Okay
02:25
Deleted Account
Install package failure
02:29
Hey Zack, I'll pay you my only 3 VEO if you can give us a working open sourced AMD miner 😁
02:30
still doesn't work... f*ck it.. 😊
02:32
😑
AS
02:32
Aizen Sou
Learn to use Linux, Tia
02:33
Phamhuong's miner is unstable anyway
02:34
Deleted Account
There isn't another AMD miners
other than PhamHuong's
02:39
I am able to run the same miner on my laptop though. Lol
02:40
329Mh is quite high for a laptop isn't it?
OK
02:44
O K
Tia do you have a USB drive that you can install ubuntu on?
02:44
Deleted Account
I can. Just a little lazy to do it πŸ˜€
I
03:12
Iridescence
Top tier gpus should get a couple of GH/s
S
03:19
Sy
your laptopt will die if you mine with it
03:19
just dont do it, not worth it anyway and they are never meant to be under full load for more than a few minutes
IP
03:56
I P
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well if he can downvolt and downclock it a bit and remove dust from cooling it will be fine
03:56
but i don't see a point to mine with 0.4GHs
03:56
1 rx580 gets like 1.4GHs
03:56
just build a rig, from amd or nvidia harware, they are getting cheaper each day now
OK
07:42
O K
I thought addresses could only start with B
Z
07:46
Zack
I thought so too
07:46
there is rule about that though.
07:47
an address is a 65-byte binary that conforms to the ecdsa standards for pubkeys. and we convert it in base64.
I think the base64 conversion does some padding that could cause the B at the front.
I know ecdsa only has 33 bytes of freedom, so it could be limited in a way so that the first byte has to end up converting to a B.
07:48
I think I am going to have the exchange depend upon a bitcoin full node.
07:48
its just that they take so long to sync.
07:49
Maybe I should use a bitcoin light node, since all we really need is to look at the bitcoin blocks one at a time and scan the transactions.
OK
07:49
O K
Does only the person running the exchange need the full node, or users too?
Z
07:50
Zack
just the person running the exchange.
They also need an amoveo full node.
07:50
the people using the exchange just visit a webpage.
OK
07:50
O K
Can an invalid address receive funds, or could funds be burned by being sent to an invalid address -- or, what's the best way to know if an address is valid?
Z
07:50
Zack
like shapeshift
OK
07:51
O K
That's cool
Z
07:51
Zack
In reply to this message
an invalid address can receive funds yes. Any 65-byte binary will be accepted as an address.
07:52
so 0xDEADDEADDEADDEAD could be used as a proof of burn.
07:53
your address is valid if you generated it from your private key, and when you make signatures with the private key, the public key can be used to verify the signatures.
OK
07:53
O K
I just noticed an address that started with a v
07:54
It seems like it will cost $20-30 a month to run a BTC full node?
07:54
(assuming rented hardware)
Z
07:57
Zack
I think we will be able to run the exchange on a $5 per month VPS.
I am optimizing the settings of the bitcoin full node to make it more affordable.
07:57
we can prune old blocks for example.
07:58
I might use an expensive server to sync it, and then once it is synced, move it to a cheaper server.
08:01
Looks like bitcoin will take over a week to sync on vps.
OK
08:03
O K
How is the exchange going?
Z
08:03
Zack
I finished up nearly all of the veo stuff, so now I am building the bitcoin half.
OK
08:03
O K
awesome
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11:58
Al
Zack Can you please tell - does block size reduce over time?
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12:18
Iridescence
over a week to sync...
12:18
crazy
B
12:32
BG5EHI
guys,how to oc nvidia gpu on ubuntu?
S
13:33
Sy
Block size usually increases over time but there should be bootstrap files for btc fullnode to skip a huge amount of syncing
A
15:00
Al
Zack I mean Amoveo block size - like from block height 1-100 reward for miner is 1000 coins per block, from 100-1000 is 500 coins?
S
15:03
Sy
ah that, no, always 1 and its block reward, not size
15:03
used to be 1.5 afaik for the first 2000 or so
A
15:18
Al
In reply to this message
Interesting.. Thank you
J
15:52
Jim
You might consider a reliable bootstrap such as https://flo.sh/bitcoin-qt-bootstrap-dat/ (no endorsement)
Z
17:25
Zack
In reply to this message
I don't know. Block size is a governance variable.
17:26
In reply to this message
That's the block reward. It is also controlled by a governance variable. I cannot predict what the community will decide to do.
17:26
In reply to this message
Thank you
S
19:29
Sy
hmm funny, running a public pool in germany would mean that you guys have to pay income taxes in germany since that is where the coins are generated...tax law is stupid
Z
19:41
Zack
Which country should I put the server in?
S
19:44
Sy
hmm
19:45
thats an interesting questions, im pretty sure there are countries with no taxes on capital gains
Z
19:46
Zack
this isn't capital gains though, it is income.
S
19:46
Sy
hmm
Z
19:46
Zack
I can keep almost all the money off the server to make sure that capital gains happens elsewhere.
19:47
If I do a small amount of mining pool operation in lots of different countries, maybe I can be in a low tax bracket in all of them.
19:47
Deleted Account
too hot here. My PC cannot turn on now
19:48
some parts broken probably
S
19:48
Sy
summer is starting in germany
S
20:06
Sy
hmm what currency is that?
20:07
wtf :D
Z
20:09
Zack
that was a bad link. none of their locations were in monaco.
20:09
Maybe Russia is best. Their tax is pretty low.
20:09
and there are lots of VPS
20:09
It seems to me that Germany is a territorial tax country, so they don't tax income that comes from outside the country.
S
20:10
Sy
you have to tax it wherever generated and then declare it as already taxed xD
OK
20:10
O K
I mean most places tax profits I'd imagine
Z
20:11
Zack
the money was generated by the miner, and the miner is making a small payment to the pool
OK
20:11
O K
So if your cost to operate (factor in paying yourself, which happens in another jurisdiction) is the same as the income, then there is no profit
S
20:11
Sy
in theory i should have to declare what i earn and thats it...
OK
20:11
O K
Doesn't apply to sy, but to Zack
S
20:11
Sy
for the world i might be paying "subcontractors" or something, hence have to make sure taxes are paid
Z
20:11
Zack
In reply to this message
that makes sense.
S
20:11
Sy
stupid shit...
OK
20:13
O K
Remember you can register a biz with Estonia if you really want a paper trail
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21:47
Denis Stepannikov
Hello, my friend (Никита Клинковский) πŸ˜‚
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22:00
Sy
current aws mining price is about 270$...if you have a lower number pls tell me rent price and hashrate so i can update it :)
IP
22:01
I P
@Simon3456 no point to mine with aws
S
22:01
Sy
i know but it was always used as a point of price reference
IP
22:01
I P
easier to buy from gpu miners who have their own hardware
22:02
well right now people sell at 150 and even less
S
22:02
Sy
so mostly like last diff period
22:02
they will run out of veo eventually :)
MF
22:35
Mr Flintstone
they will also be quite sad in a few months
S
22:45
Sy
probably :)
A
23:09
Al
In reply to this message
Hm, why?
OK
23:10
O K
He's suggesting the price will go up and they will have seller's remorse
S
23:18
Sy
im already sad i sold 40@80$ so...might be true πŸ˜…
Z
23:19
Zack
I'm so sad I sold 100 at $50.
S
23:19
Sy
early coins at its finest πŸ˜‚
23:20
you will be happy after the dev wallet unlocks tho :D
IP
23:24
I P
In reply to this message
Lol youve made 5000$ how can you be said
MF
23:37
Mr Flintstone
because he missed out on 10k?
S
23:38
Sy
math...gotta love it πŸ˜‚
23:56
Deleted Account
I feel it should be worth at least $250 with given time
19 April 2018
P
00:26
Pan
Excuse me,
For VeoMiner, did someone else meet the crash problem occurred every 1~3 hours with the error report:
'event name: APPCRASH
...
breakdown module name: ucrtbase.DLL
...'
MH
00:31
Mandel Hoff
Sorry, not me. I've had veominer running for several days without a crash like that (windows/nvidia). I think someone wrote a batch file that restarts the miner. I can't recall who has that, but a batch file that restarts the miner might help your scenario.
P
00:31
Pan
Tried Windows OS 10/7, VS 2015/2017, one / more GPU card (GTX 1060 3g),lots mining parameters
OK
00:32
O K
On the old miner I needed a batch file to keep it running, with VeoMiner I don't have any problems
00:32
Would you like me to help you make a batch file?
P
00:33
Pan
Good, does it work on windows?
OK
00:33
O K
Yes,
P
00:34
Pan
OK, I'll pm you, thank you!
OK
00:35
O K
You are welcome to PM me any time, but I will show you here first so others can benefit as well
00:38
:loop

start cmd /c veominer.exe (insert normal address and parameters here)
timeout /t 1
start cmd /c veominer.exe (insert normal address and parameters here, etc if you need more than one instance)

timeout /t 6000

taskkill /f /im "veominer.exe"

timout /t 3

goto loop
00:38
That's the basic format
01:08
Deleted Account
my CPU probably game over
OK
01:08
O K
Uh oh
01:08
Deleted Account
just bought another one
OK
01:09
O K
It won't turn on at all?
01:09
Deleted Account
too bad
OK
01:09
O K
Or does it turn on and then turn off after some time?
01:10
Deleted Account
when i turn on it for several minutes, the temperature goes really high about 100 degree. then i turn off power off
OK
01:10
O K
Is it the stock thermal paste?
01:10
It maybe just dried up
01:11
Remove heatsink, clean old paste, and put new Arctic 5 Silver paste down
01:11
Deleted Account
i changed it today. not working.
OK
01:11
O K
It is supposed to turn off if it gets hot, it prevents overheating
01:12
I don't think a bad CPU should just get hot like that if your cooling system is working correctly. Maybe someone else can chime in, but the fact that it's getting hot and turns on says to me: CPU works, cooling does not
01:12
Deleted Account
the cooling fans works
OK
01:13
O K
I would suspect an air pocket in the thermal paste
01:13
Deleted Account
OK
01:13
O K
Try again with new paste
01:14
Deleted Account
OK I wiil buy new paste
01:14
the fan speed 1341
01:14
is that normal
OK
01:15
O K
I'm not sure, it would depend on the size of the fan I guess. Does the heatsink feel hot to the touch while CPU is reporting hot?
01:15
In reply to this message
If you're using good paste, I don't think you necessarily need "new" paste, I just meant, clean and re-try
01:16
Deleted Account
I cleaned and try it
OK
01:16
O K
If there is an air pocket in there or it is not smooth and clean, it will not make good contact, and not transfer the heat to the heat sink
01:16
πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ
01:16
Too much paste can cause this too
01:16
Deleted Account
anywau i bought a new ryzen just now. see how it happens then
01:17
is there possibility that is sthgsth wrong with motherboard
OK
01:18
O K
Anybody else want to chime in? I think a computer is a lot like a car
01:18
A car does not overheat for no reason
01:18
If your engine overheats but it still runs, you don't need a new engine
01:19
There is something wrong with the cooling system
01:19
Deleted Account
ok
S
01:20
Sy
the cpu is either working or not, they dont just overheat
01:20
cooling paste is probably dry
01:20
Deleted Account
I just turn on PC for few minutes. is that so hot to shut down if there is even no fans?
S
01:20
Sy
depends on the cpu
01:20
intel never shuts down, just throttles
01:21
Deleted Account
ryzen 1700x
OK
01:23
O K
If you boot and go into BIOS and let it run there, still overheats?
01:26
Deleted Account
i didn't try it
IP
08:00
I P
08:00
i don't understand what Huong meant...
08:00
anyways seems like he is willing to fix the pool issue
MF
08:14
Mr Flintstone
reverse engineering is not a crime
08:15
pigeonholing the community into an expected set of behaviors that ignore economic incentives is bad for the price
I
08:49
Iridescence
It's not like you are forced to only use one miner....
08:52
Poor guy releases his miner for use and the community rails on him.
10:34
Deleted Account
@kitty123 Are you running any 570's or 580's?
IP
11:02
I P
In reply to this message
580
11:03
Deleted Account
What are you seeing MH wise for VEO on those
11:03
per card
IP
11:05
I P
1.38Ghs
11:06
Deleted Account
Thanks!
12:55
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
Yes. He did great job for community.
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15:02
tg
Hey guys, looking to buy $500 worth of VEO, offers? Ending by noon EST (19th.) -- Current lowest: @ $190, via PM
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15:12
Al
In reply to this message
325$ per veo
AI
15:13
Andrey Ivashentsev
In reply to this message
$270 per veo
s
15:29
shiggidy (will never dm you first)
In reply to this message
500 for 1 veo
Z
15:30
Zack
In reply to this message
Hi tg.
Thank you for doing this auction semi-publicly to help us know what the price is.
B
17:01
Ben
an auction with Private non Public Bids is a bit shady...
17:01
anyway take the 190$ i think you will not get any lower bids.
Z
17:03
Zack
Public bids aren't any better on telegram, since it is easy to make fake accounts.
A
18:10
Al
It is kinda funny when people asking price get second offer lower..
IP
18:14
I P
tg i would say better do it in discord trade channel, more offers there
Z
18:15
Zack
In reply to this message
good point. tg
T
18:38
Tato
In reply to this message
with what configuration
IP
18:39
I P
1300mhz core. 256 1024 parameters in miner
T
18:51
Tato
energy consumption??
18:51
Windows??
IP
19:05
I P
Tato man i'm not going to babysit you. i told you more than enough
T
19:17
Tato
Ok thank😘😘
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22:07
Deleted Account
It was my the CPU water pumps broken
22:07
the fans actually working
S
22:08
Sy
using a water cooling system might be an interesting fact you should notice ^^ thats why there are flow meters
22:08
Deleted Account
really hard to find out what is going wrong
OK
22:09
O K
You don't need water cooling for CPU on your mining rig
22:09
Just get a decent heatsink
S
22:14
Sy
i hope it is an exisisting machine
22:15
In reply to this message
not really, you touch the radiator, the tubes, you notice where the heat is, solved
OK
22:15
O K
πŸ‘
22:15
And if there is no heat, the heat is in the CPU (not being transferred)
20 April 2018
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00:15
Iridescence
Zack Ban the spammer
00:16
Sign of telegram growth, we are attracting spammers now πŸ˜‚
OK
00:32
O K
Someone had suggested that you could prevent people from linking elsewhere in their first message, I don't know if that's actually possible or if you'd need a bot or something?
01:12
Deleted Account
Hi, it's been a while since last update (I'm busy a bit these days).
Now recent tx chart is available.
http://veoscan.io/txs
OK
01:13
O K
Beautiful catweed ... I make a lot of use of your site everyday. Keep up the good work!
01:14
Deleted Account
πŸ˜„
OK
01:18
O K
catweed may I suggest that nodes offline more than a few weeks be commented out? they can still be referenced in the sourcecode
01:23
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
Good idea. I'll get rid of old unsynced nodes.
Currently, unresponsive or 0 height nodes are displayed in muted color.
OK
01:23
O K
I think the muted color is good for some time, at some point though they must be considered dead
01:25
Deleted Account
Yes, and dead nodes should be removed after some time.
MF
02:10
Mr Flintstone
In reply to this message
this is awesome!!
02:53
Deleted Account
Not today ISIS, not today.
S
03:00
Sy
i think the block propagation is sometimes not optimal, my pool keeps finding a valid block, submitting it, working on that same height for another 10 minutes because its still not accepted by the nodes, finding it again and then it usually sticks
03:00
or it gets orphaned xD
OK
03:03
O K
Like if some nodes are only connected through some bottleneck node
Z
03:03
Zack
In reply to this message
I don't understand.
You are saying that your node doesn't build on top of the work it found?
S
03:03
Sy
thats my conclusion
03:04
i see that the pool found a block candidate which gets submitted to the node as block
03:04
but the height doesnt change for quite some time
03:04
so it must get refused somehow or the broadcast didnt work
Z
03:04
Zack
If your node didn't load the block you found into your own database, then it would be impossible for the block to be shared to anyone else.
S
03:04
Sy
Z
03:05
Zack
Why do you think the height isn't increasing?
Maybe you are looking at veoscan.io, and it just takes veoscan.io a while to refresh
S
03:06
Sy
seriously? i sent you a screenshot of my pool finding a valid block for the same height TWICE within 4 minutes
03:06
*sigh*
03:06
i dont know why it isnt increasing but it doesnt
03:06
this should be two different blocks
Z
03:06
Zack
I don't understand what that screens shot is of, or what software generated it.
S
03:07
Sy
my pool...
Z
03:07
Zack
Your pool is closed source right?
S
03:07
Sy
there is no magic in sending a block to the node
Z
03:08
Zack
I don't know what you mean by "Sending a block to a node".

I still don't understand what the problem is.
S
03:08
Sy
nevermind
03:09
cant make it any clearer than i did
Z
03:09
Zack
If the mining pool loads a block into the hard drive, then potential_block.erl deletes the old potential block and makes a new one.
It isn't possible for the same node to generate 2 blocks at the same height.
03:10
Maybe your mining pool has more than one amoveo full node
03:10
Since it is closed source, I don't know.
S
03:11
Sy
the mining pool finds a block, submits it to the node just like every pool out there does, the pool keeps asking for work and block:height() and it doesnt increase because the first submit never became a block
03:11
since the pool in general is working fine, we found over a thousand blocks i assume the node is sometimes loosing it somewhere
OK
03:12
O K
interesting
S
03:12
Sy
thus not increasing the height it returns
03:12
we are noticing it more often lately...also an increased rate of orphans but i think thats just bad luck
Z
03:14
Zack
The mining pool I wrote submits nonces to the full node. Not blocks.
I guess your mining pool is pretty different
03:15
Sometimes the full node changes the potential block you are working on, and then the old nonce is no longer valid.
OK
03:16
O K
That is timer based, yes?
Z
03:16
Zack
Like if your full node included more transactions for example. Then it would need to make make a new potential block to work on, and the old work would be invalid
03:16
Yeah, it only adjusts the potential block every minute or 90 seconds or something like that.
S
03:26
Sy
i said "as every other pool does" so it submits nonces aswell, sorry that i didnt use the exact correct words
Z
03:26
Zack
I've been thinking it would be better to keep a couple recent potential blocks around, so if you submit an expired nonce, it isn't wasted.
S
03:27
Sy
the nonce changes every 30s
03:27
i was wondering about that...why?
Z
03:27
Zack
So is your problem that you are finding nonces and there is no valid block for the nonce?
S
03:27
Sy
i dont think so
03:28
im going to check with my dev what the node replies are after a nonce submit and if he works with those answers
Z
03:28
Zack
Can you just tell me what you are seeing, and how it is different from what you expect? Then maybe I can figure out what is wrong.
03:29
The potential block needs to be updated if there are new txs to be included for example.
S
03:29
Sy
i see a nonce submit to the node and the height doesnt increase for up to 20 minutes, i see another nonce submit for the same block height later which usually results in a new block
03:30
what are the potential repllies from the node after a nonce submit?
Z
03:30
Zack
Yes. I think it is a stale nonce then. The potential-block.erl gen server already changed the block being worked on.
03:31
The node returns 0 whether the nonce is accepted or not.
03:32
But mining_data will return something different if the block was accepted.
S
03:41
Sy
hmm
03:41
so the question is, why does the node return 0 either way?
03:41
i mean it will check the noce vs local data and either accept or reject it, cant you return the usual "ok" or "nope"?
OK
03:42
O K
would prefer "ok" or "died!died!died!"
03:42
(joke)
03:43
In reply to this message
Seems like a good idea
S
04:00
Sy
it gets kinda annoying...
04:00
Zack can you please update the reply after a submit with ok and no or whatever you prefer so i can actually rule out another error?
Z
05:05
Zack
I'm looking into it.
05:09
Did the Russians all get kicked off telegram? Any Russian still here?
OK
05:10
O K
Good question. I heard most of them could still access, via some program telegram are trying. Russians are resourceful people
IP
05:32
I P
In reply to this message
here
05:32
actually it is not that bad, durov is pushing new ip addresses through google api
05:32
but i have orbot installed just in case
OK
05:32
O K
Great news
IP
05:33
I P
government censorship failed miserably
Z
05:34
Zack
I'm glad you are still here IP.
05:34
In reply to this message
I pushed an update. Now it returns 0 for success, otherwise it throws an error.
05:34
Erlang uses fail-fast style. Hopefully this is fine for you.
OK
05:35
O K
In reply to this message
Will this affect classic/master/shares mining pools?
Z
05:35
Zack
Hmm. I should have tested that.
05:36
Let me check right now.
OK
05:36
O K
I don't think it's very urgent
Z
05:44
Zack
I tried it out. The mining pool still seems to work normally.
S
05:59
Sy
Thanks
S
06:25
Sy
i am getting more and more orphaned block candidate nonces
06:25
not sure why...ill keep an eye on it
Z
08:27
Zack
In reply to this message
I just did an update that should significantly decrease orphaned blocks.
OK
08:28
O K
What's the gist of it?
Z
08:32
Zack
Before we checked every 40 seconds to see if we should make a new block.
Now it updates immediately when there is a new block, and it waits 60 seconds to update the block if there are new txs.
08:32
So it also reduces wasted mining time significantly
OK
08:32
O K
Did it used to update immediately when there was a new block?
Z
08:32
Zack
I think not.
OK
08:33
O K
Thank you
08:35
Will you point me to the line of code added for the 'new block update immediately'?
08:35
I know where the timer is
Z
08:35
Zack
Oh right, it was updating elsewhere in the code.
We weren't wasting 40 seconds of mining on each block
OK
08:35
O K
Okay, I had a feeling
Z
08:36
Zack
Well, it is immediate from the users perspective.
It is lazy-style programming. So we check if we need to update at the last moment before returning the result.
08:36
In potential_block:read ().
OK
08:36
O K
Okay
08:36
I'm getting a little better at reading erlang
Z
08:37
Zack
Great
08:37
Gen servers are like objects in OO programming. Except they all run in parallel.
08:38
Message passing concurrency.
08:38
Also called actors model concurrency.
08:39
You can use github to see exactly what I changed in the 2 most recent commits.
OK
08:41
O K
Good point
Z
08:41
Zack
08:41
It gets called every time you lookup the potential block.
08:42
Notice how the part that checks for new transactions is inside the time limit conditional. So you only compare txs every 60 seconds.
08:43
At most.
OK
08:45
O K
I should start reading the commits more often, the changes help solidify things
08:49
There were a lot of deletions for the 'have the api indicate' change to block_organizer.erl
08:49
Just cleaning up?
Z
08:50
Zack
I deleted a couple unused functions.
I think they had "old" in their names.
OK
08:50
O K
cool
OK
10:16
O K
The comments for refresh_period are saying now, it's 1/10 of a second. But in your description above you said 60 seconds. And the previous code comment said it was in seconds.
Z
10:32
Zack
In reply to this message
Yes. I fixed the comment just now.
10:32
It was never 1/10 th seconds. But I was confused when doing tests.
S
12:28
Sebsebzen
Hey guys what’s current OTC rate
S
12:49
Sy
170+
12:53
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
Confirmed buyers at 170?
S
12:53
Sy
Yes
12:53
Not 12h ago
12:54
Deleted Account
K
13:01
Deleted Account
who want to buy @ $170? i can sell some
S
13:19
Sy
He only bought 4 so I think he is done already
A
13:20
Al
In reply to this message
hi, so somebody sold at 170? )
S
13:23
Sy
I did, yes
S
13:44
Sebsebzen
I think Zack also working on a simple exchange
S
13:45
Sy
afaik yes
13:47
so now the node nonce only changes when there is actually new tx in the mempool? Zack
S
13:57
Sebsebzen
whats the current market cap of VEO?
13:57
approx
S
14:07
Sy
its written in every block afaik
14:07
we should be somewhere around 22-24k
S
14:24
Sy
Market cap 21427.96366432 VEO
S
14:41
Sebsebzen
thx guys
14:41
last question
14:41
which wallet do you recommend
14:43
S
14:43
Sy
both should be fine
S
14:58
Sebsebzen
Sticker
Not included, change data exporting settings to download.
😐, 22.1 KB
S
15:16
Sebsebzen
Anyone willing so sell me some VEO for ETH, please pm me
IP
15:32
I P
In reply to this message
You can setup your own node😊
S
15:47
Sy
current block is a stubborn one...30 minutes
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19:24
Patrick Sum
I created several wallets from Zack’s and amoveopool2 β€˜s node today. However, I cannot transfer veo to any of them. These were happened before. Why?
S
19:26
Sy
human error
Z
19:26
Zack
It takes a while for a tx to be included in a block.
Also, if you can't afford the tx fee, then the tokens won't spend.
S
19:27
Sy
go to one of the walltes from the node list
http://veoscan.io/
load a privkey file that cointains veo
enter the pubkey and amount into the fields
press spend, if the amount vanishes, wait
Z
19:27
Zack
Make sure you actually have the Veo in your account.
The mining pool doesn't pay you till you reach a threshold.
EP
20:18
Evans Pan
Hi all,I am making a Amoveo
Group in QQ, everyone welcome to join. QQ 615802348
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01:22
Zack
I am on my 3rd try getting bitcoin to sync today.
Maybe building a bitcoin light node would be easier than installing a bitcoin full node.
MF
01:42
Mr Flintstone
why do you need a full node for bitcoin? Other than obvious
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01:58
Zack
Im making an exchange for bitcoin to veo.
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n2
02:22
noob 2
man what was up with that other telegram group
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02:28
Zack
I lost access to my account to moderate the old group.
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02:28
Al
guys, selling few Veo (need to pay some costs), pm before it hits exchange and moon..
CB
02:46
CeloStarter Bandits
wxchange will give the price more realistic value
MF
03:07
Mr Flintstone
in what direction
OK
03:08
O K
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Higher for buyers, lower for sellers
MF
03:15
Mr Flintstone
my guess is higher for both lol
03:15
we will see
03:15
I have heard stories of new coins tanking relative to otc price when they were exchange listed
OK
03:15
O K
Good chance of that too actually
MF
03:15
Mr Flintstone
but these were mostly premined I think?
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03:16
Iridescence
OTC introduces friction in price discovery
03:16
Public exchanges remove that friction
03:17
It is more likely that price will be lower after exchange listing than before
03:17
Because people hype up the exchange listing
MF
03:17
Mr Flintstone
let’s bet
03:17
we can actually make a market on this
OK
03:17
O K
Should make two markets
MF
03:19
Mr Flintstone
how do you describe the question in a way that oracle participants can easily come to agreement
OK
03:19
O K
Actually
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03:19
Iridescence
Just set it relative to a date
OK
03:19
O K
Could be easily manipulated eh
03:20
The price at block x is higher than y.
03:20
That should be the question, but how is price determined
MF
03:20
Mr Flintstone
you can use a schelling point I feel like
03:20
And just simply say the price is higher than x
03:21
as long as it’s not ambiguous people won’t have an issue betting in the oracle
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03:21
Iridescence
Yeah, but how is price determined on OTC?
MF
03:21
Mr Flintstone
well isn’t the point that we want this to be post exchange listing?
OK
03:21
O K
OTC I think we can all agree sellers are asking around or over 200 and buyers are bidding around or below 150?
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03:22
Iridescence
Sure
MF
03:23
Mr Flintstone
oh good point you would need to be relative to the prior price, which is otc
OK
03:23
O K
So, on block x the price is above $175 ?
MF
03:23
Mr Flintstone
or you could just say β€œ price will be over 150 usd on an exchange at block x”
03:23
and then another market that is
03:24
β€œVeo will be listed on an exchange at block x”
OK
03:24
O K
you could do over/under
03:24
Iknow Zack is interested in the "on an exchange" market because he wants people to bet against him to incentivize him to get it done :)
03:25
Imo the more markets and participation the better
MF
03:25
Mr Flintstone
i think zacks exchange will be command line
03:25
right? Could be wrong
OK
03:25
O K
I don't think so, it will be like the web wallet
MF
03:25
Mr Flintstone
hmm, with an order book and everything? Like it’ll look like a normal exchange?
OK
03:26
O K
Like shapeshift
MF
03:26
Mr Flintstone
Ahh
OK
03:26
O K
Pretty cool
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03:52
Iridescence
Ban!
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04:12
Zack
I will probably reuse tools from the Web wallet to make the interface for the exchange.
I might even reuse the volume depth chart from the Explorer.
04:13
I already have enough incentive to make the exchange.
This will make amoveo much more useful for prediction market.
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Ben
will the exchange be centraly hosted or is it possible that we build a Front end to it that is more User Friendly?
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16:34
Zack
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Yes and yes.
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16:49
Degen Walker
Hi, any guide to mining this coin?
16:49
Can i mine with cpu?
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16:50
Zack
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Not profitably.
DW
16:51
Degen Walker
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How about a gtx 1070 gpu x 6 rig
16:51
Can i mine with that?
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17:15
Zack
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Yes, I think so.
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Sebsebzen
@benjamin_1203 jackoff
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19:54
Zack
in ~1 day, the bitcoin full node with pruning=550 synced 99% of the blocks.
This is better than I was expecting.
The VPS has 4 gb ram and 2 vcpu on digital ocean.

I am running an amoveo full node on the same machine, and it is operating normally.
BL
20:53
Ben Lakoff | Charged Particles (don't send $)
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Lol
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00:25
Deleted Account
Hi guys I'm very new to mining but came across this project and very much want to be involved. Any tips on which rig to purchase/ website to learn more about the process
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00:31
Sy
get nvidia not amd, learn linux, cpu isnt that important :)
00:31
Deleted Account
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Thank you!! It is greatly appreciated :)
IP
01:06
I P
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well amd miner gets 1.4GHs from RX580. 1060 gets like what, 1.3? i mean amd is not that bad at veo, also amd are good at ethash and cryptonightv7
01:06
os i would argue that statement 'get nvidia not amd'
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01:07
Sy
and how long did you amd guys wait for a miner? 😎
01:07
while i was enjoying my nvidia veo...
IP
01:07
I P
cpu is not important for sure but it is better to have a cheap i5 if for some reason you will mine smth that also needs some cpu power
01:07
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i have 50/50 nvidia amd
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01:07
Sy
z370 +i3 8100 :
IP
01:08
I P
yeah i3-8100 is like and i5
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01:08
Sy
feel free to suggest something different, thats what my rigs look like and its working out fine for me :)
01:08
ofc it is thats why i posted it, its cheaper
IP
01:09
I P
well the cheapest way is to go for used cpu+mobo combo like on amd fx
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01:09
Sebsebzen
Zack are you still looking into tromp's cuckoo cycle PoW? Or was that shelved
IP
01:09
I P
they are very cheap now, the ones that are for 4gpus
OK
01:09
O K
I'm usually biased toward AMD (only slightly, because in the past it was a better Linux card) but now I admit I'm a bit unhappy with lack of AMD support for Vegas on Linux
01:10
These things tend to go in cycles though, a year ago you would have struggled with Nvidia in a lot of cases
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01:14
Zack
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I have never talked about using that. I have consistently said it is a bad idea.
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01:15
Sebsebzen
Ok, I know it's from the last project time, haven't followed up
01:17
what's your view on Merkle Tree PoW (MTP)?
Z
01:17
Zack
Even at aeternity. I consistently said cuckoo cycle is bad.

We don't want to reward the hackers for making zombies.
01:18
Economically speaking, if we only pay zombie pools, then the marginal cost of the most successful zombie pool will be practically zero.
It is about the lowest efficiency possible.
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01:19
Sebsebzen
sorry, MTP by Biryukov and Khovratovich
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01:28
Zack
This isn't a pow mechanism, it is a list of goals.
And they aren't good goals, they don't even consider the marginal cost of mining.

They are fixated on inequality in cost per hash for different people, something that does not matter for the success of the blockchain at all.
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01:30
Sebsebzen
Sure, just interested in your point of view
01:31
modified SHA256 also proven track record
CH
01:57
Crypto Hound
Hi all, from what I gather there is no place to buy Amoveo right now but the dev is working on a custom exchange - is that correct?
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01:58
Sy
yep, everything is via telegram or discord
01:58
current price is around 170$
CH
02:12
Crypto Hound
thanks! can you please tell me the current supply/total supply of Amoveo?
IP
02:14
I P
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well you can trade p2p like on localbitcoins, Zack can be an escrow
CH
02:15
Crypto Hound
ok, that's good to know. is it true that there will be some sort of automated exchange soon? I think I read somewhere that he is working on one
02:16
21750 Veo so far.
CH
02:17
Crypto Hound
sweet! thanks a lot! is there anywhere that lists the specifications of Amoveo (current supply, total supply, etc)?
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02:18
Sy
total supply is unknown
02:18
or right now, endless
CH
02:19
Crypto Hound
how about current supply?
02:19
in other words, how will marktecap be calculated?
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02:20
NM$L
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21750 Veo so far.
CH
02:23
Crypto Hound
ah, ok gotcha - I thought he just meant how much was traded P2P
02:23
thanks
02:24
oh, does anyone have the Discord invite link? I don't see it on the github page
OK
02:37
O K
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Try this one
02:38
Most of the discussion is here, most of the trading is on the discord
CH
02:50
Crypto Hound
worked great, thanks a lot!
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03:52
Zack
@potat_o thanks for the help
OK
04:25
O K
C:
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05:08
Zack
About the exchange.
The bitcoin full node doesn't download transactions with recent blocks.
By default you have none of the transactions.
Your only choices, as far as I can tell are: all of the transaction, or none of them.

but it does give me the hashes of the txs.
So I guess I will download the txs from other sources? is that a reasonable strategy?

Or maybe I should trust in bitcoin's built-in address book to keep track of everyone's balances?
05:10
I wonder if blockchain.info will block me if I download every tx that gets included in a block.
IP
05:12
I P
yeah looks like you need to download blockchain but you can prune it
Z
05:12
Zack
I did the pruning.
The txs are way bigger txindex=1 makes it huge.
OK
05:13
O K
Cost prohibitive?
Z
05:13
Zack
it would make it much less convenient to use and build.
I would have to wait days for it to sync just to test it.
I want to get it working before then.
05:14
I think we should go with one of the other 2 strategies I listed:
1) ask blockchain.info for all the txs
2) use bitcoin core's built in address book.
05:16
I think the address book is the quickest solution, so I guess we will try that first.
OK
05:16
O K
I trust your judgment
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05:16
Zack
when you do "getnewaddress" in bitcoin, it is storing your private key right?
05:17
How come it keeps making addresses that start with a 3?
OK
05:20
O K
I've not run bitcoin core in a very long time, but 3 addresses iirc, are segwit addresses, and most wallets these days seem to make new addresses based off of your BIP (whatever #) seed β€” the collection of words that is your account
05:20
Maybe someone can correct me
Z
05:21
Zack
I think the 3 is because it is PS2H type address
OK
05:29
O K
P2SH stands for β€œPay to script hash”. Segregated Witness accounts and multisig accounts use these addresses. Good to know
Z
05:29
Zack
cool
05:51
Deleted Account
electrum has pretty simple api as well
OK
05:52
O K
I'm a fan of electrum, I don't know if that's an option for Zack or not
05:53
Deleted Account
its light wallet and u can give it ur own full node back end if u want
05:54
or it just ask existing electrum servers for rx
05:54
txs
05:54
and you can make it ask your own server later if u want
07:23
Deleted Account
Already posted on Discord, but the number of people aren't there.....WTS 7 (it'll be 8 by tomorrow) at $200 each, most people are asking $300+
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07:26
Iridescence
buy buy buy πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯
09:51
Deleted Account
hello any updates?
09:51
any better miners than iridiscence?
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09:53
Iridescence
Mine is da best! πŸ˜‚ I think others are using https://github.com/PhamHuong92/VeoMiner
09:53
for AMD
09:53
Deleted Account
what is highest price anyone successfully sold?
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09:53
Iridescence
Don't know
09:53
my guess is around $200?
09:54
$150-$200
09:54
though with recent crypto bull market
09:54
price probably is increasing
n2
11:09
noob 2
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Which miner is yours iridescence
12:11
Deleted Account
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no release
A
12:42
Al
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thanks, closed source?
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12:43
Iridescence
it's open source...
12:43
you have to build from source
A
12:54
Al
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nice and you have optimized version for lin only? it costs something?
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13:11
Iridescence
yeah.
13:11
Miner is for linux
15:19
Deleted Account
anyone want to buy for $400 each?
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15:22
Al
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sounds abit unrealistic mate
15:26
Deleted Account
wanna to sell 10veo at 400 USD each
15:26
πŸ˜‚
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15:31
Iridescence
I will sell as much VEO as you want at $400 each
15:32
Deleted Account
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400?
15:37
Deleted Account
i think very realistic
15:37
still low market cap, as long as zach doesnt inflate money supply
15:38
very good deal, one day will be worth $40k each
G
15:40
Ghadras
$40k is too much but $12k is very realistic
16:50
Deleted Account
16:50
16:51
what does this error mean?
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16:53
shiggidy (will never dm you first)
Your syntax is incorrect for connecting
16:53
Your address isn't correct
16:53
Oh I take that back
16:53
The last digit of 1500
16:53
Should probably be a 0
16:53
Or a 1
16:56
Deleted Account
1500 that's suffixmax
16:56
I used to use this command correctly.
16:57
away from mining for a week. rearrange my GPUs. Then this error happened
17:03
restart PC。it's OK now
17:04
How can I use 3 GPU in veominer
17:04
I can only see 2 cards
S
17:12
Sy
install 3 cards correctly so you actually see them, then you can use them
s
17:17
shiggidy (will never dm you first)
I only can get two going per process too
17:17
So I have to use another process
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00:45
Aries
hello brothers!!!
MF
01:05
Mr Flintstone
hello
MF
01:20
Mr Flintstone
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Zack can’t do that :)
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03:42
Zack
Since this is the third order book I am writing for Amoveo, I thought it would be easy this time.
Single price batching is more complicated than I had remembered.

At least the exchange is progressing.
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04:24
Deleted Account
Sup friends
OK
04:25
O K
Welcome : )
04:29
Deleted Account
I’m miner
04:29
1080 ti
04:29
Need miner
04:29
And see how scrip looks for running
04:29
Windows 10
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07:41
CryptoMach
Anyone know when the max supply will be determined? (if not already...)
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08:10
Aries
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08:15
Zack
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The block reward is set by the governance mechanism. We cannot predict what the community will decide to do.
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08:16
CryptoMach
ok cheers Zack
IP
08:17
I P
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right now i guess community is not going to change it
OK
08:18
O K
I think he was asking about a supply limit, which is somewhat different than the block reward
08:18
I suppose that could also be a governance variable
C
08:20
CryptoMach
yes I was asking about supply limit...
MF
09:03
Mr Flintstone
there is no supply limit
OK
09:06
O K
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If you make some assumptions and extrapolations though...
09:11
BTC max is 21,000,000 (theoretical, the actual is less of course) ... How long would it take Amoveo to get there with 10 minute blocks? That's 175,000,000 (210,000,000 / 1.2) minutes (right?). Or over 300 years. So if you think about what your crypto-lifespan is, you can come up with some upper limit. So maybe the upper limit is not so important.
09:11
Please double check my math
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09:15
CryptoMach
i wish i was born a genius like u mofos instead of good looking hahaha
OK
09:16
O K
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πŸ˜‚ I'm sure many would trade for looks
C
09:17
CryptoMach
hahaha
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09:28
O K
That's a nice lookin kitty @arterity
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09:42
Gosen
thanks, ok πŸ˜„
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15:14
Ben
i like them with sweet and sour :P
IP
15:25
I P
15:26
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Mine is better😊🐈🐈
G
16:42
Gosen
Yes, I agree yours better
Its a pretty catπŸ˜„
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Jim
I recognize a few people from Haven here. Hi peeps!
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21:43
Ben
hey mate
21:44
have did some nice movement lately
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;)
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00:14
Sebsebzen
I possibly could have AMOVE added to exchange in Thailand
00:14
with fiat pair
00:14
Thai Baht
00:16
Deleted Account
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is that going to cost an arm and a leg?
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00:18
Sebsebzen
nope
00:18
could be free
00:23
just more about technical implementation
00:23
need help
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00:25
Zack
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo-exchange

I'm making an amoveo bitcoin exchange here.
You can probably reuse a lot of the same code for your exchange.
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00:27
Sebsebzen
the exchange is www.tdax.com
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00:27
Al
guess it is not that easy to implement unusual coin, it has it own code, that must be implemented on exchange. that's why exchanges love erc-20 tokens and stuff
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00:28
Sebsebzen
I'll ask the dev to have a look at the VEO wallet
00:28
yes, but TDAX wants to be niche for custom blockchain
B
00:28
Ben
erc-20 token are actually no coins, they are just dumb assets sitting on eth chain.
S
00:28
Sebsebzen
SKY, NANO, etc
00:28
Metaverse
B
00:28
Ben
i like tdax, could be a win win for both
S
00:29
Sebsebzen
it's better than bitgrail for sure ;)
00:30
it would be good for VEO to get listed on coinmarketcap.com this way too
B
01:10
Ben
yeah true
MF
02:02
Mr Flintstone
looks like tdax does ~20 btc per day in volume across all pairs
IP
02:48
I P
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well that is not much but you've got to start somewhere, right?
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04:48
Sy
working fine for me
OK
05:02
O K
It means there is a problem with your internet connection
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05:02
Aries
and
05:08
for me too in NYC
05:08
but in San Fran it wont load
OK
05:08
O K
Perhaps there is a network policy at that location that requires DNS lookup
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05:26
Aries
thank you @potat_o
OK
05:27
O K
You're welcome
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GJ
08:11
Guillermo Joya
Hello. Can someone explain to me simply what this project is all about and how to get started ?
OK
08:12
O K
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πŸ‘
08:14
Deleted Account
anyone having FEDEX account?
OK
08:14
O K
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Wha? Why?
08:15
Deleted Account
FEDEX express
GJ
08:24
Guillermo Joya
Why is the whitepaper not professionally writen ?
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08:25
Aries
lol it is professionally written
OK
08:25
O K
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This isn't an ICO
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08:26
Aries
Zack is genius
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08:27
O K
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The cool thing about it, if you find an issue with it, please open an issue or submit a pull request with suggested changes
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GJ
08:34
Guillermo Joya
What are the projections so far and plans for making this project profitable ?
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08:36
Zack
My short term plan is to build a bitcoin-Veo exchange.
Other people have other plans.
08:37
My long term plan has some steps.
1) find a small group of people who can use amoveo for something.
2) focus on that small group, make amoveo completely comfortable for them.
3) study how they use amoveo, and make a plan to scale up for more users. Probably rename the project at this point.
GJ
08:38
Guillermo Joya
How can I profit financially from Amoveo ?
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08:38
Zack
Amoveo is already profitable for many of us
GJ
08:38
Guillermo Joya
How can I get involved?
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08:39
Zack
You could mine amoveo, or run a mining pool, or run an exchange, or run an amoveo powered market where other users can gamble. Or you could run a lightning payment node to facilitate payments.
GJ
08:39
Guillermo Joya
There is no coin cap ?
OK
08:40
O K
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See here re: coin cap
GJ
08:40
Guillermo Joya
Is this an Ethereum based token ?
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08:40
Zack
Block reward is set by the governance mechanism. I cannot predict what the community will decide to do.
08:40
No. I wrote amoveo in erlang. I didn't reuse another blockchains code base.
GJ
08:41
Guillermo Joya
I meant if it was an Erc20 token
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08:41
Zack
No. Amoveo launched on its own blockchain.
08:42
About 50 days ago.
OK
08:42
O K
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You should read the docs even though they aren't pretty in LateX, they could probably answer some of these questions
GJ
08:42
Guillermo Joya
How can I mine these today ? What hardware do I need ? I know miners who can get started right away
08:43
They can hook up to the pools immediately
Z
08:43
Zack
I don't mine. But there are some links in the docs to other projects that explain about how to mine.
GJ
08:45
Guillermo Joya
Yes I will review all the technical information. Thank You Zach
08:45
My friends spoke highly of this project
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08:46
Iridescence
It is a project worth speaking highly of
IP
09:01
I P
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i've been reading your messages and want to say... fcking kids these days
09:01
you don't even really try to try!
09:02
i'm not old but starting to get elder people grumping on younger generations
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Iridescence
In crypto does 2 years make you an old grandpa? πŸ˜‚
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09:03
Aries
i been in since 2009,
09:03
even trained the first Journalist
09:04
some of the first Journalist who reported on bitcoin/blockchain.
09:05
but that's not even really old.
09:05
if you are a realy Crypto Anarchist,
09:05
you had egold
09:05
knew about Shadowcrew
09:05
etc....
IP
09:05
I P
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wow, that is trully great that you discovered how cool this thing can be that early. I'm not nearly that lucky
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09:08
Aries
I'm very excited about Amoveo.
IP
09:11
I P
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same, hope there will be a solid community to get in and use it extensively
n2
09:56
noob 2
Was wondering which miner is best for multi gpu rigs for 1070 or rx580s
IP
10:05
I P
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well veominer1.2 is the only working right now with opencl thus amd. you can get 1.4-1.5GHs per 580
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noob 2
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Do you know what ideal settings are for the rx 570 and 580. I seem to get 1.2 to 1.3
n2
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noob 2
Also is there any advantage to mining in linux for either card type
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Zack why was erlang used instead of haskell (cardano uses, and it seems to have better formal verification software )
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19:48
Aizen Sou
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Lol and u claimed with ur nick that you're an expert. LMAO
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19:50
Zack
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I wanted the code to be readable by many people.

Very few people can read haskell. It takes months to gain that skill.

You can learn enough erlang to read erlang in a couple days.
Z
20:11
Zack
Also because of the OTP gen_servers in erlang.
They simultaneously allow these things:
1) concurrency
2) code that can be easily edited without breaking
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21:49
Zack
We have passing tests for the order book.
Now that the difficult algebra is done, we should have an easy time finishing up this exchange.
IP
22:07
I P
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so if i got it right after reading descrtiption it requires sending btc and veo to an escrow and after trade fails or completes escrow released funds?
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22:07
Sy
thats how i got it too
22:08
you basicly place the order with funds in the exchange order by order
22:09
but how do i unlock them? timed only?
IP
22:09
I P
but this means that you need to pay fees each time, right? btc and veo sending fees
Z
22:10
Zack
Not everything is decided yet. My current plan was to have a timer that you set up before you fund the trade.
If the trade doesn't get matched before the timer runs out, then you get a refund instead.
OK
22:10
O K
Probably would get a lot of attention if could eventually implement BTC lightning network
22:10
BTC people are excited to share any BTC lightning implementations
Z
22:11
Zack
Amoveo already supports 2-hop lightning payments.
22:11
with the light node.
OK
22:11
O K
I meant as a means of exchanging from BTC to amoveo, opening channels with exchange
22:11
Maybe I'm wrong
IP
22:12
I P
or the other way is to make veo/ltc exchange
Z
22:12
Zack
Atomic swaps are one half of the problem. It is good to make the actual exchange trustless.
But if we don't also make the determination of the price trustless, then it doesn't help us much.
OK
22:13
O K
I like BTC better
Z
22:13
Zack
That is why I think we should first make a bitcoin synthetic asset on Amoveo.
Then you could trade the synthetic bitcoin for regular bitcoin at 1:1 price using an atomic swap.
22:14
You can use Amoveo markets to trade Veo for synthetic bitcoin at the correct market price.
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22:15
Sy
you still have to trust the node to stay alive dont you? someone has to start the exchange after all - can he steal the funds?
Z
22:16
Zack
With the market smart contract I wrote for Amoveo channels, if the central node goes off-line for too much time, then the central node loses all the contracts in all the channels.
It is turing complete, so you can write markets that work differently.
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22:17
O K
Personally I will be using Zack's implementation of the exchange
22:17
At least for the foreseeable future
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22:28
Sy
if it is working, sure why not
22:29
jumpy btc price sux a bit for longer deals but we'll see
Z
22:29
Zack
https://existek.com/blog/build-cryptocurrency-exchange-application/
According to these guys it would take at least 3 people, at least 6 months, and at least $144k to build an exchange between bitcoin and another currency.

So far I invested about 15 days, and about $5 of a VPS for testing.
22:30
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it would be nice if we could cancel orders before they get matched, but it is a little hard to do that securely. I don't want other people to be able to cancel your order.
22:31
Maybe you should sign a message using the private key for your refund address?
22:32
maybe you should send exactly 1 satoshi from your refund address as a message that you want to cancel the trade?
22:32
Ill put a note about this on the todo list.
22:35
All the trades are limit orders. So it isn't like you will end up trading at a bad price. I think this isn't a critical feature to have in version 1.
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23:16
Sy
i agree, its not that important in v1