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24 April 2018
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23:16
Sy
and why not de-speed things, the world is fast enough - it shouldnt be meant for swingtrades anyway imho
S
23:18
Sebsebzen
Zack I would suggest to have API that can be listed on coinmarketcap.com for the exchange, if it's not too much work
Z
23:41
Zack
https://github.com/PhamHuong92/VeoMiner
He says he fixed it.
Can anyone test it out?
Try mining for a pool other than amoveopool2.
Like this one: http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
He says he fixed it.
Can anyone test it out?
Try mining for a pool other than amoveopool2.
Like this one: http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
23:41
This is the opencl miner. So it should work with amd.
25 April 2018
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00:09
Deleted Account
greetings
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00:18
Iridescence
Well met!
IP
00:19
I P
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opencl 1.3 miner hangs on amd rig while 1.2 works well. dunno why
00:19
will try to change parameters though
00:20
1.3 works like a charm on nvidia though
MF
00:25
Mr Flintstone
how big is bitcoin core on prune 551?
IP
00:28
I P
could not get 1.3 miner to properly work on amd rig (without hanging and with good hashrate). while 1.2 works well. 1.3 leaks memory on amd or smth
Z
MF
01:07
Mr Flintstone
nice
01:29
Deleted Account
1.3 works fine on nvidia and gives a good speed booost
IP
01:30
I P
the only thing i'm not sure of is if it is safe to run on my workstation (backdoors etc)
01:31
it is not open source... and even if it was- binaries are binaries
01:31
Deleted Account
yeah so i am running it on a device with nothing on it
OK
01:33
O K
In reply to this message
Haven't looked at 1.3, but we did some wiresharking on 1.2 and didn't notice anything suspicious
01:33
For what it's worth
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IP
IP
01:54
Deleted Account
ok
IP
01:54
I P
i don't care if it has any while i run it at a rig
M
02:05
Minieep21
Got a nice 14% boost with 1.3
Z
02:05
Zack
Nice
02:10
Deleted Account
50% boost. But just because of my 1 thread CPU is so Bad 😅
02:10
2thread*
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n2
03:23
noob 2
Anyone have an issue with 1.3 where gpo 0 gets more hash than others
M
04:07
Minieep21
My PSU fan becomes rather noisy when using 1.3.
04:08
Quite annoying
04:08
And strange
07:45
Broken
07:46
Ah now it works. But how safe is this info? Can I count on it?
Z
07:49
Zack
You can see some of the same info on the explorer.html page. The info has matched every time I have checked.
08:02
Deleted Account
Thanks for the fast Feedback Zack.
08:04
Miner is freezing my whole Computer. Any advices except changing CPU to better one?
08:04
Veominer 1.3 with running 6 cards
OK
08:10
O K
Have you tried 1.0, 1.2?
08:10
They are a bit different, some people have success with each
08:10
Deleted Account
Yes. Even worse. I think its just the 2 threaded CPU
OK
08:10
O K
You could lower suffixmax
08:10
Deleted Account
Which Minimum CPU do you advice
OK
08:11
O K
from 65536 to like 1000
08:11
Deleted Account
To how much?
08:11
XD
OK
08:11
O K
And then bump it up 1000 at a time
08:11
It's just tweaking it
08:11
I have a celeron 1151
08:11
It works just fine
08:17
Deleted Account
U run Linux or have lowered suffix?
OK
08:17
O K
I do not have lowered suffix, I do run linux
08:18
linux is less resource intensive than windows
08:23
Deleted Account
Ok thx
MF
09:32
Mr Flintstone
new diff will be ~5165
09:32
this is a 30% increase
09:34
anyone have a rough sense of how much electricity costs are per veo mined?
OK
09:34
O K
That's going to vary wildly from one region/rig to another
09:35
Probably less than 20 bucks in most cases
MF
09:36
Mr Flintstone
do you mean 200
OK
09:36
O K
Just electricity costs?
09:36
No way
09:37
Let's do the math,
09:37
a 1080 gets say 3 GH/s
MF
09:37
Mr Flintstone
this has to be by far the most profitable coin to mine then if that’s actually the cost for a reasonably skilled miner with public miner
IP
OK
09:38
O K
and uses let's say 0.2 kW (not factoring in the whole rig, but for the sake of math)
09:39
0.10 kW/h
MF
09:39
Mr Flintstone
so 15 days per veo? 3967*1000/3
OK
09:39
O K
Probably
09:39
So 2 veo per month,
09:39
which would cost 0.2 * 0.1 * 24 * 30
MF
09:40
Mr Flintstone
14 dollars?
OK
09:40
O K
Ok
09:40
Now you have to factor in the rig electricity
09:40
a decent battery backup will add power draw
09:40
Do you run extra fans
09:40
Do you run AC
09:41
So, easily double that depending on the setup
09:41
Still good though
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10:53
0xminion
Help needed: When using 6 GTX1080Ti with Amoveominer, Opened individual bat for each GPU. Sometimes I get an error saying that : get work failed, sleep and retry. Does anyone know how to solve this? at first i thought the miner crashed lol
11:08
Deleted Account
6 1080ti. OMG
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11:09
0xminion
😅
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DS
15:52
Denis Stepannikov
Hello.
Has anyone tested v1.3 on AMD RX 580 8GB?
if I turn on v1.3, the speed decreases 2 times
v1.2 - 1.28 Gh / s
v1.3 - 700 Mh / s
Has anyone tested v1.3 on AMD RX 580 8GB?
if I turn on v1.3, the speed decreases 2 times
v1.2 - 1.28 Gh / s
v1.3 - 700 Mh / s
15:55
all other parameters are the same:
BlockSize 64
NumBlocks 2048
SuffixMax 65536
BlockSize 64
NumBlocks 2048
SuffixMax 65536
T
17:39
Tato
Veominer 1.3 does not allow to change to the pool http://159.65.120.84:8085. It only works with amoveopool2
19:46
Deleted Account
aww
S
20:21
Sebsebzen
Lol
Z
20:23
Zack
No.
They still haven't paid me for the 12 months of work I did for them.
They still haven't paid me for the 12 months of work I did for them.
AS
20:43
Aizen Sou
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AE founders? That's terrible. Yet they raised millions $ using ur previous work.
Z
20:45
Zack
Even if they did pay me, I wouldn't work with them.
They have a culture of abuse.
They have a culture of abuse.
AS
20:45
Aizen Sou
Totally agreed.
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K
22:02
Kale
Hello,everyone,pool has problem?
22:12
Deleted Account
It showed me also sometimes 0KH/s
OK
22:28
O K
No problems here
T
22:37
Tato
No problems
22:47
Deleted Account
Showing low Hashrates
22:48
Ah sry. My rig is offline 😅
26 April 2018
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IP
OK
IP
01:23
I P
well blockchain is working
OK
01:23
Welcome to the party
A
01:24
Aries
next person who does not read github
01:24
should get banhammer
IP
01:24
I P
Zack is working on custom exchange and i think we need more betting activity
OK
A
01:25
Aries
teasing
OK
01:25
O K
I'm still willing to match a small bet on the next market
01:25
(meaning a likely to lose bet)
IP
01:26
this way you can hedge your risks in terms of btc price
OK
01:26
O K
Sure
IP
01:26
I P
like cme futures but better=)
OK
01:26
O K
I'll even bet on basketball or something I know nothing about
01:27
I just want to help others get involved
IP
01:38
I P
better bet on crypto
01:38
the thing is people don't know jow to use veo betting
01:38
we need a video on youtube to explain and show
I
01:39
Iridescence
A good website with good UI will help adoption
IP
01:39
I P
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if you could make such a video it will help people to get involved in betting
OK
01:44
O K
In reply to this message
If someone else will make some markets, I will match a few small bets with different people who have not betted before actually, the odds can be comfortable for the people but not really far fetched
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IP
01:48
I P
btw given high price of veo, could we reduce fees on the blockchain?
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IP
01:57
like in HoMM3.. astrologists proclaim week of bcash, all fees are reduced 8 times =)))))
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MF
02:41
Mr Flintstone
current tx fee is like .0016?
02:41
I forget exactly what it is
OK
02:41
O K
.00152050 I think
S
02:47
Sy
25 cent per transaction
OK
02:49
O K
That's a $1.50 when it hits 1000
DS
IP
MF
02:51
Mr Flintstone
yeah, I feel like this is something that we can all agree to reduce at least
02:51
and this is specifically a minimum fee?
DS
S
04:30
Deleted Account
How could a prediction market help me in the construction industry?
04:30
Let's say i build houses
OK
04:32
O K
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You could insure against worker injury, "acts of god" on the jobsite that insurance might not cover, theft, vandalism, completing a difficult job by a certain date which you may receive a bonus for (bet against yourself to hedge)
04:32
Equipment failure
04:33
Your client defaulting on a contract after purchase of materials and hiring of crew
04:33
Deleted Account
And how would i do that in amoveo?
OK
04:34
O K
Or more simply, you could use predictions markets to get a feel for the weather in the jobsite location
04:34
That way you can give your client a more accurate estimate of how long the job will take
04:34
Deleted Account
Yeah thats what im hoping to do
04:34
I'm just missing something conceptually to start implementing
04:35
Ive started playing around at the command line with the blockchain
OK
04:37
Deleted Account
That's what I'm here to find out
04:37
Haha
OK
04:37
O K
XD
04:37
Deleted Account
I'm just not sure how to build a market around those things and then how to use amoveo to do it
04:38
Ive had subcontractors walk off a job and take deposits
OK
04:38
O K
Have you read the "case studies" on the github
04:38
Deleted Account
Yes
Z
04:39
Zack
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false. Amoveo can't insure against worker injury, or theft, or vandalism. most "acts of god" can't be insured by amoveo either.
None of these things work in the oracle.
None of these things work in the oracle.
04:40
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you could use Amoveo to prove that there is demand for the houses, which can help you raise money to have them built.
04:40
Deleted Account
That's what i need
04:40
Especially for what I'm doing
04:40
It's a big problem
Z
04:40
Zack
You can prove that an innovative design will be popular before you build.
OK
04:41
O K
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Why couldn't you make a market, "a hurricane will hit this region before x date" ?
Z
04:41
Zack
you could do that
OK
04:41
O K
That's exactly one of the things I just listed
Z
04:41
Zack
yes, you are right
OK
04:42
O K
"An employee of company x will successfully draw workman's comp before y date"
Z
04:42
Zack
is that something I can easily look up? Assuming I don't even live in the same country.
OK
04:43
O K
I'm just assuming there can be sub markets for localities
04:43
Maybe a false assumption
04:43
Or maybe thinking too far ahead
Z
04:44
Zack
any sub-market would still have to use the same on-chain oracle. The oracle can only work for things that are easy for anyone to look up.
OK
04:44
O K
True
04:50
Deleted Account
How would a PM help me raise money?
04:51
Sorry for the stupid questions
Z
04:52
Zack
the PM is used to prove that there is interest in your project.
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/use-cases-and-ideas/insured_crowdfund.md
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/use-cases-and-ideas/raising_funds.md
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/use-cases-and-ideas/insured_crowdfund.md
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/use-cases-and-ideas/raising_funds.md
05:01
Deleted Account
So PM to prove interest and an insurance contract to raise funds?
05:25
Deleted Account
Where to sell veo?
05:26
:) Discord or here?
OK
05:26
O K
Discord is best
AS
05:26
Aizen Sou
Sell it to me. Will buy all u could sell for 100$ each 😋
05:27
Deleted Account
Which discord
OK
05:33
Deleted Account
Thank u
OK
05:34
O K
no worries
S
07:54
Like 1 satoshi?
07:54
If price per VEO one day goes too high it would make sense to use mVEO or smth
Z
07:56
Zack
there are 100,000,000 satoshi in 1 Veo.
S
07:57
Sebsebzen
Noted
OK
08:22
O K
The community may decide to call them zackoshis
IP
OK
I
08:27
Iridescence
Veoshi Zackamoto
08:27
Zackoshi Veomoto
08:43
Deleted Account
i like zack
OK
I
09:11
Iridescence
😈
OK
I
09:18
Iridescence
Affecting all nodes?
OK
09:18
O K
It's affecting both of mine, and there was a very long block, but we may have just found a block
09:19
Maybe it's not an emergency. It seems to be affecting all nodes, but we found a block, so not urgent
Z
09:28
Can you tell me any more details of what happened different from your expectation?
OK
09:29
O K
09:29
Both nodes were spamming like that, very fast
09:29
The long block made me think the network was frozen, but was probably randomness
Z
09:29
Zack
More than once per second?
09:30
That message means it is trying to process an Oracle winnings tx.
09:31
I guess tx pool was crashing repeatedly, and this message happens when it recovers.
I am not certain.
I am glad it recovered ok.
Thanks for telling me this error report.
I am not certain.
I am glad it recovered ok.
Thanks for telling me this error report.
OK
09:32
O K
I want to say that it was more than once per second, but without timestamps I second guess myself, there were hundreds of the messages
MF
09:33
Mr Flintstone
what was the oracle?
Z
09:33
Zack
Or maybe it was because nodes were sharing this TX over and over. It could be a bug with syncing
09:34
I closed a couple old oracles that were started around 11000 and 14000
OK
10:03
Before or after 21:30 UTC?
OK
10:58
O K
This is a mess
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14:33
Zack
I think within an hour or two of when I sent the message above.
What is a mess? It looks like we have been finding blocks for the last 4 hours.
What is a mess? It looks like we have been finding blocks for the last 4 hours.
14:35
Deleted Account
Something wrong with the pool? No Veos in the Last 12 hours?
14:35
Amoveopool2
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14:40
Sy
i got a 5h gap aswell
14:40
the oracle spam did kill something...
Z
14:42
Zack
I don't see any gap. What block height are you talking about?
14:45
Deleted Account
Now it seems to work, but normally i got every 25-35 block an share.
14:46
Now since over 65 Blocks no share
S
14:47
Sy
bewc found the last block at 2:38 my time, thats about 6h ago
14:47
still not sure if it recovered, restarted the node
14:47
14:47
its still on that oracle spam but not that fast
14:48
and yes, thats my resolution, sorry about the size 😅
Z
S
14:53
Sy
Interesting, those were both rejected by node
14:53
But it's working again, fine with me!
Z
14:53
Zack
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So you are in a situation that happens only 1/4 of the time. This is probably due to randomness.
14:55
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Why do you say "again"?
You guys have shared no evidence that it ever stopped working.
You guys have shared no evidence that it ever stopped working.
14:57
I checked the block stamps for the last 6 hours. There is no gap.
14:58
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False.
http://veoscan.io
This page shows that your node is exactly synced wih the rest.
You didn't reject these blocks.
http://veoscan.io
This page shows that your node is exactly synced wih the rest.
You didn't reject these blocks.
S
14:58
Sy
Sure if you don't look for my address lol
14:59
Wtf proofs that? Blocktime went up aswell since 3 th were gone
Z
14:59
Zack
Block time did go up.
So are you saying your mining pool stopped finding blocks for a time?
So are you saying your mining pool stopped finding blocks for a time?
15:00
Can you tell me what is wrong more clearly?
I can't fix anything if I don't know what is wrong.
I can't fix anything if I don't know what is wrong.
S
15:01
Sy
i dont know just as ok doesnt know
15:01
but the only thing that was different vs the last weeks it worked fine were the oracle winnings
Z
15:02
Zack
Why do you think it isn't fine now?
15:02
What is different from normal?
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15:02
Sy
didnt you just check and told me i found 2 blocks?
15:02
thats what i am telling you all along, your response to nonce submit is faulty
Z
15:02
Zack
I don't know which address is yours. I don't know which blocks your pool found.
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15:03
Sy
lol
15:03
sorry man but this is your coin and you should pay attention which 3 addresses are solving all the blocks imho
15:05
anyway, i know you dont believe me since you cant wrap your head around it but its pretty simple
ON NONCE SUBMIT the node return 500 or "0", if it returns 500 it still creates a block every now and then, you can look into it or not but it is there and it is a bug
ON NONCE SUBMIT the node return 500 or "0", if it returns 500 it still creates a block every now and then, you can look into it or not but it is there and it is a bug
15:06
and somewhere around 2:38 my time (6.5h ago) something went wrong aswell, probably because of the oracle
Z
15:06
Zack
Oh, bewcaw didn't find blocks for 3 hours
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15:06
Sy
6h
Z
15:07
Zack
Why didn't it find blocks?
15:07
Deleted Account
I think if you point out the bug or the Blocks with possible bugs, zack could find it faster
Z
15:07
Zack
Did you do something to fix it?
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15:07
Sy
nope
15:08
to both questions :)
15:08
its a local problem only my node "sees" if it rejects a nonce
15:08
the network will just get a normal block
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15:08
Zack
I'm pretty sure the nonce submit thing doesn't stop your pool from finding blocks.
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15:09
Sy
scroll up, read it again
15:09
i even pmed you
15:09
you made those changes, you should know what im talking about
Z
15:10
Zack
Yes, we already talked about the nonce submit thing.
I am more concerned about how your pool didn't find blocks for over 6 hours.
I am more concerned about how your pool didn't find blocks for over 6 hours.
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15:10
Sy
so the node rejecting nonces and creating blocks anyway doesnt concern you? neat - if ap2 doesnt catch this they are making around 10% blocks for free which arent paid
15:10
but hey, not important...
15:11
Deleted Account
No one said that it is not important, he is concerning to find the bug u mean.
15:11
But if we can t explain it properly, its harder for him
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15:12
Sy
the 6h gap is a mix of the node not returning mining_data and height for no apparent reason and some miners crashing
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15:12
Zack
It isn't rejecting the nonce, otherwise the block would be rejected.
The function is just returning the wrong value.
Anyways, we already talked about this and I understand the issue.
I am worried about how you didn't find a block for 6 hours because right now we have no we have no explanation for what happened.
The function is just returning the wrong value.
Anyways, we already talked about this and I understand the issue.
I am worried about how you didn't find a block for 6 hours because right now we have no we have no explanation for what happened.
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15:12
Sy
it did recover eventually, the miners didnt -> hashpower lost
we will fix the miner but i dont know what happened at the node
we will fix the miner but i dont know what happened at the node
15:13
we should have a overall gap around that time...lemme check
Z
15:13
Zack
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The mining data part of the Api stopped working in the full node?
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15:14
Sy
thats what my logs are telling me...
15:14
why is the node still spamming that oracle stuff?
15:16
Deleted Account
Now i get shares. I think i also didnt get shares for at least the Last 6-8 hours
15:16
Im just a simple miner. So this is the only Informations i can givr
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15:17
Sy
ap2
15:17
everyone except me is on that pool
Z
15:18
Zack
you are BC80?
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15:18
Sy
no zack is...umm
15:18
dunno
15:19
bdk is ap2
15:19
he hasnt found a block in days
15:19
probably weeks
Z
15:20
Zack
BC80 found 81 of the most recent 500 blocks.
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15:20
Sy
BC80 did 36 19.05%
Z
15:20
Zack
amoveopool2 is still finding blocks
S
15:20
Sy
bewc 38 20.11%
15:20
ap2 115 60.85%
15:20
last 24h
Z
15:20
Zack
I notice that my node still has the oracle_winnings tx sitting in the mempool
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15:21
Sy
ap2 gained 6-10% with me being gone that long xD
Z
15:22
Zack
I wonder why the txs in my node aren't being included in a block.
15:23
only 4 of the 6 txs are sitting in the mempool of my other server.
15:23
so weird
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15:24
Sy
oracle_bet_tx same type
oracle winnings oid is [-6,"VQjYhAnvoMju2MC/FN9FKLYShtkIAeKNNWatH9qcxJA="]
died!
oracle winnings oid is [-6,"VQjYhAnvoMju2MC/FN9FKLYShtkIAeKNNWatH9qcxJA="]
died!
Z
15:24
Zack
when did you last update the amoveo full node software?
15:25
mine says
without the "died!" part.
oracle winnings oid is [-6,"VQjYhAnvoMju2MC/FN9FKLYShtkIAeKNNWatH9qcxJA="]without the "died!" part.
15:25
I guess all the mining pool nodes are rejecting these txs
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15:28
Sy
Not 24h ago
15:29
I switched servers so I had to setup everything fresh
Z
15:30
Zack
"not 24 hours ago". this means that you reinstalled 24 hours ago?
15:30
Are you british or something?
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15:31
Sy
Around 13h to be precise
15:31
German
AS
15:31
Aizen Sou
Sy is not native speaker
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15:32
Ben
he is more native speaker than you aizen :P
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15:32
Zack
My node is consistently syncing up the oracle_close tx for at least one of the 2 oracles.
15:33
So I don't understand why it never gets included in a block.
AS
15:33
Aizen Sou
I'm black but it doesn't mean I could communicate in English not well
B
15:33
Ben
you are black? WTF happend? :P
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15:37
Zack
My mempool has about 14 zero-confirmation txs in it, but you guys keep mining empty blocks.
15:38
my mining pool hasn't found a block in weeks, so I can't fix this directly.
15:39
S
15:40
http://78.46.149.239:8080 explorer wallet 17789 26 Apr, 2018 07:28:06 Sy
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15:40
Zack
I don't know what you are asking.
I can see that the recent blocks you have mined don't include any txs.
I can see that the recent blocks you have mined don't include any txs.
15:41
Deleted Account
Mining empty blocks? 😱 u mean generating/mining hot Air?
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15:41
Sy
probably because of the oracle spam i pasted
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15:42
Zack
the oracle spam is my node trying to send the txs you need to your node.
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15:43
Sy
are you running more than one node?
15:43
if so, do they both get the txs?
Z
15:43
Zack
yes, I am running 2 nodes, and they are sharing txs correctly.
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15:44
Sy
odd
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15:49
Zack
I think Amoveopool2 has stopped paying rewards to anyone.
S
15:49
Sy
same here
15:49
i just checked, pool issued a payout 90 minutes ago but it never got included
15:50
so its not just the oracle tx...
Z
15:50
Zack
If we can get even a small group of miners to switch to my pool, then I will have the power to fix this http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
S
15:51
Sy
a block will take some time...
Z
15:54
Zack
Mining on Amoveopool2 is currently a waste. It is not paying out any rewards.
I recommend switching to the mining pool that I am maintaining: http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
I recommend switching to the mining pool that I am maintaining: http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
15:54
Deleted Account
I will
15:55
Have some power
S
15:56
Sy
im pretty sure tho the payments arent lost...not that i mind on which pool you guys are mining :)
15:57
i got no cuda9 on my linux rigs or i would try the phamong 0.3 miner, he / she said you can switch pools now, are those who tried 100% sure they've included all needed arguments?
Z
15:57
Zack
you can see here the recent txs http://veoscan.io/txs
There are large periods of time where almost 0 payments are made.
There are large periods of time where almost 0 payments are made.
G
15:58
15:59
Z
16:00
Zack
The timestamp is only a little off. Not a big deal.
S
16:01
Sy
odd
16:02
i did notice tho that pool nonce submits and block timestamp often have several minutes between them
Z
16:04
Now potential_block doesn't update so often. only when it needs to. This reduces how much wasted work the miners do.
S
16:04
Sy
40s vs 60s isnt a big change tho 😁
16:04
especially for 10 minutes blocktime target
Z
16:05
Zack
40 v 60 isn't all that was changed.
16:05
Now potential_block doesn't make a new block unless either there are new txs to include, or there is a new block to build on.
That is why the timestamp can be a little old. It doesn't update the time stamp so frequently
That is why the timestamp can be a little old. It doesn't update the time stamp so frequently
16:06
Maybe OK was the one to suggest this, not you.
S
16:06
Sy
na... i did :)
16:06
so the 60s is the scan interval but it doesnt create one until something really changed, roger that
16:07
thats good :)
N
16:15
NM$L
how's veo going
S
16:15
Sy
last block 30 minutes ago
T
16:28
Tato
In reply to this message
I have tried to change the pool in veominer 1.3 and it does not pay attention to me. I believe that I put all the parameters correctly. If you get it, could you tell me how
Z
16:29
Zack
one share was found in my mining pool, so I guess someone figured out how to use it
S
16:29
Sy
or they are running one of the old ones
Z
16:30
Zack
right
16:33
someone spent about 30 Veo in 2 txs, and they are just sitting in my mempool. Not being included in any block.
16:41
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
zack ,can u write a mining tool like veominer? it is hard to use with other tools
Z
IP
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16:44
Sy
yep
16:45
Deleted Account
mandhoff's tool has low hashrate. and when load multi cmds occupy more cpu
S
16:45
Sy
but currently the oracle tx seems to be crashing the potential block creation and never reaching those...i think
J
17:02
Jim
I was pinged, is something wrong?
Z
17:03
Zack
who pinged you? something is wrong yes.
J
17:03
Jim
Gonzalo
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PS
17:05
Patrick Sum
I notice some Light-wallet have ‘send all yr money‘, some don’t. Which one is updated?
Z
17:05
Zack
the light node that I am maintaining is updated.
17:05
Deleted Account
Any way to buy Amoveo tokens?
Z
PS
17:07
Patrick Sum
Thx. Then the ‘send all’ is not supported? How about the wallet newly generated there? Are they working?
Z
17:09
Zack
In reply to this message
we got rid of send-all because the delete-account transaction type was too confusing.
It is insecure to reuse an address after it's account has been deleted, or you can lose all the money you send to that address.
It seemed easier to get rid of the feature instead of trying to explain this to everyone.
It is insecure to reuse an address after it's account has been deleted, or you can lose all the money you send to that address.
It seemed easier to get rid of the feature instead of trying to explain this to everyone.
PS
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17:10
Zack
I don't understand your question. a "wallet" is software used for owning Veo. I dont' know what you mean by "newly generated wallet"
and when you say "are they working", I dont know what you mean by "they"
and when you say "are they working", I dont know what you mean by "they"
PS
17:18
Patrick Sum
In reply to this message
I saved the private key from those with ‘send all’ light wallet. Can I use those newly generated private key (wallet) from those outdated light wallet? (Eg 73.95.148.9:8080/wallet)
Z
17:18
Zack
the private key format is the same for all the light nodes.
T
18:19
Tato
amoveopool2 is active? I've been 14 hours without reward and Accumulating Balance 0.07 when I was 0.040 / hour.
Z
18:20
Zack
there is a problem that is stopping any of the pools from paying rewards.
T
18:23
Tato
What do you recommend? We stop temporarily mining or continue and recover the lost
Z
S
18:25
Sy
He is still finding blocks so that part is working
18:25
And he is finding blocks so he must get shares and hashpower
18:25
Probably just the tx stuck
18:25
I'd keep mining
Z
18:34
Zack
I think I found a short term solution.
In order to get rid of the txs that were causing the crash, I used the same account to make some spend txs that used the same nonce.
So once the spend tx get included in a block, then we will all drop the txs that are causing the problem.
In order to get rid of the txs that were causing the crash, I used the same account to make some spend txs that used the same nonce.
So once the spend tx get included in a block, then we will all drop the txs that are causing the problem.
OK
19:09
Every time you do this opportunistic BS
19:12
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My mempool had that many tx last night, when blocks were slow and I was watching the nodes orphan blocks from each other until I couldn't stay awake anymore. The question is how come no ones nodes were including txs? It started at around 21:30 UTC which is I suspect when you closed the oracles. Which I tried to ask you about at 10pm EST
19:16
In reply to this message
This was caused by a problem with the Amoveo network nodes. The payments were in the mempool of everyone winning blocks, yet not being included in the blocks for some reason
19:16
Deleted Account
I lost Shares?
19:17
How is it possible
OK
Z
19:19
Zack
Did my short term fix work? Are you able to pay out rewards now?
S
19:19
Sy
he is paying rewards all the time
19:19
Deleted Account
I had accumulating balance and its reseting without giving me coins
OK
19:19
O K
What was the fix? We have never stopped paying out rewards. They are in the mempool.
19:19
And they are in the mempool of both of my nodes.
19:19
So they are propagating through the network.
S
19:20
Worked for me
Z
19:20
Zack
I saw a lot of txs that weren't bring included in blocks mined by you guys.
I am pretty sure the problem with the Oracle was preventing some of the mining pool rewards.
I am pretty sure the problem with the Oracle was preventing some of the mining pool rewards.
OK
19:21
O K
We have a payment manager that automatically detects and pays out lost transactions
19:21
Such as when a block with payments is orphaned
19:22
If the payments have been lost, that will be detected and they will be resent
S
19:23
Sy
the node stopped spamming oracle messages and my tx_pool is kinda empty
19:23
i think it worked
Z
19:24
Zack
That is good.
When you remake the txs, you will reuse the same nonce, which makes the old tx invalid.
I think it might be possible to over-pay someone if there are multiple rewards waiting to get paid, given the recent bug we had.
When you remake the txs, you will reuse the same nonce, which makes the old tx invalid.
I think it might be possible to over-pay someone if there are multiple rewards waiting to get paid, given the recent bug we had.
19:24
In reply to this message
Great.
I was expecting there to be one block wih like 10 tx. To catch up with everything that was being censored by the bug
I was expecting there to be one block wih like 10 tx. To catch up with everything that was being censored by the bug
S
19:25
Sy
in this scenario, maybe...since txes arent lost, they are just queued
OK
19:25
O K
Queued where?
S
19:25
Sy
check the link from ok a bit up
19:25
it got 11 transactions and only a few are from the pool
19:25
@potat_o at the node
Z
19:25
Zack
Perfect
19:27
Deleted Account
So finally we will get our payments? Or did i mine empty blocks?
OK
19:28
Deleted Account
Thanks
Z
19:28
Zack
I guess we had about 9-hours of partial downtime for the amoveo network.
Sorry for the outage everyone.
This is a learning experience, I will make sure we never break the same way again.
What doesn't kill amoveo makes it stronger.
Sorry for the outage everyone.
This is a learning experience, I will make sure we never break the same way again.
What doesn't kill amoveo makes it stronger.
19:28
Deleted Account
When? :)
OK
19:33
O K
In reply to this message
I expect all Tx will propagate through the network within 12 hours, starting immediately
S
20:57
Sebsebzen
Nice
G
21:29
so Zack is there any new update to the full node? Last time I did update was loong ago
K
21:56
Kale
21:56
why my miner always shows sleep
OK
22:08
O K
Sleep is just a few seconds delay before asking for new work again
IP
22:26
I P
In reply to this message
same here, is there a mandatory update or i can keep my node running ad it is? don't like to touch what's working with good uptime
IP
22:28
I P
is the mempool clear again? i see that new blocks get mined with very little to no TXs
OK
22:32
In reply to this message
txpool cleared, avp2 is adding repayments slowly of txs that were lost
IP
22:33
I P
In reply to this message
so indeed that was the oracle issue? i mean is there any way we could kind of prevent it in future? i guess we all want to use oracles more
OK
22:34
O K
Seems to be, I believe Zack pushed fixes so won't happen again
IP
22:35
I P
In reply to this message
but does that mean that we need to update our nodes right now? or after Zack tells that fixes are in and the update is mandatory?
OK
22:36
O K
I'm not updating immediately, but soon
22:36
Before another oracle is closed for sure
22:36
I want to get payments out to everyone first, you could probably wait for a convenient time too
IP
22:38
I P
In reply to this message
ok, thanks for the info, i hope Zack will announce when all fixes are in and the timewindow we need to update our nodes. I mean there are 19 nodes on the network, i hope most of them will update
22:38
the funny part is there are many new people in community but very few run nodes
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22:39
I P
i do understand that we currently don't need a network of thousands of nodes
22:39
but it is kind of disturbing that new people don't try to meddle with the tech at all
OK
22:39
O K
Honestly I think only blockmakers will need this update essentially
IP
22:42
I P
i think it would be great if we could make a video guide on how to setup a node, pool, why and how to create bets and etc
22:42
Deleted Account
I've setup a node to play around and am going to setup a couple permanent ones today
22:42
Also going to start mining next week
IP
22:43
Deleted Account
Want to figure out how to use it in my business though
Z
22:47
Zack
In reply to this message
Not fixed yet.
I just did a short term solution to stop the current problem.
We might need a hard fork to prevent it happening again.
I just did a short term solution to stop the current problem.
We might need a hard fork to prevent it happening again.
OK
22:47
O K
👍
Z
22:48
Zack
In reply to this message
20 nodes is enough to scale for hundreds of thousands of users I think.
22:49
In reply to this message
Videos go out of date so fast.
Text documentation means you can copy paste.
Looking up one command from a video is terrible.
Wih text docs you can do a search.
Text documentation means you can copy paste.
Looking up one command from a video is terrible.
Wih text docs you can do a search.
OK
IP
OK
22:52
I'm not happy with YouTube lately
Z
22:53
Zack
I look things up while programming all the time.
I have never once been happy that I have to learn something from a video.
Looking up by text is always better for the developer.
I have never once been happy that I have to learn something from a video.
Looking up by text is always better for the developer.
22:53
If a video is easier for you, then you probably aren't the right kind of person to run a mining pool or exchange anyway.
OK
22:53
O K
Videos are supplemental, they don't replace documentation
22:54
They also engage people, some people may want to invest and want insight into the inner workings without doing it themselves
Z
22:55
Zack
Then we could make a video for that.
There are plenty of interesting things an investor could want to know about.
Using a terminal to istall an exchange isn't one of them.
There are plenty of interesting things an investor could want to know about.
Using a terminal to istall an exchange isn't one of them.
IP
22:56
I P
btw Zack what do you think about AION?
Z
22:56
Zack
Like a video about the game theory of some piece. Or a video about our long term goals. Or a video full of suggestions on how to make money.
IP
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IP
22:56
I P
sure
OK
23:01
O K
When I first switched to Linux a couple years ago, I watched someone install Arch Linux and it filled some gaps in the documentation that were taken as givens by the documenters, because they'd been involved for so long that they had forgotten some things aren't so simple for new people.
When I had to fix my car, I had a repair manual, but it used many words that I was unfamiliar with. I also watched videos of people doing the same repair and it cleared things up.
At any rate someone will make the videos they find worthwhile, I guess there isn't much sense in theorizing about it. Definitely though there are youtubers making bank on their "how to run a bitcoin node" and "how to configure your GPU miner" videos.
When I had to fix my car, I had a repair manual, but it used many words that I was unfamiliar with. I also watched videos of people doing the same repair and it cleared things up.
At any rate someone will make the videos they find worthwhile, I guess there isn't much sense in theorizing about it. Definitely though there are youtubers making bank on their "how to run a bitcoin node" and "how to configure your GPU miner" videos.
IP
23:02
I P
In reply to this message
Plus 100500, video content is very important in passing experience
S
23:52
this has expired?
23:59
how come the markets are still open past the block height?
27 April 2018
IP
00:06
do you mean this one?
00:07
Deleted Account
Yes
00:08
am I missing something/
00:31
Deleted Account
got node running!
MF
01:20
Mr Flintstone
Nice
MF
01:51
Mr Flintstone
I think the markets can be open for an arbitrary time, it’s just that there’s no point to speculating on them because the underlying oracle has already been finalized
01:52
markets are run by the server hosts
01:53
i think that those bets are actually mine that are still on the server
01:53
i can’t take them off until tonihht, so if anyone is enterprising enough there may be some free veo to claim
01:53
not 100% sure though
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03:09
Bluedream
hey
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04:06
Zack
http://159.89.106.253:8080/explorer.html
There are like $60 just sitting in this expired market. I think they are @Jbreezy0 's maybe?
you should take your money out now that it is closed.
There are like $60 just sitting in this expired market. I think they are @Jbreezy0 's maybe?
you should take your money out now that it is closed.
Z
04:34
Zack
I ran dozens of tests, but I am unable to reproduce that bug that went on for 9 hours.
MF
04:38
Mr Flintstone
yeah, those are mine
04:38
nobody can take the money cuz I voted true side I think
04:38
I’ll take it out tonihht
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MF
07:35
Mr Flintstone
lol no win
07:35
didn’t get matched
JS
07:36
Jon Snow
Congratulations on your not lose
MF
07:49
Mr Flintstone
thanks
IP
Z
09:52
Zack
I can reproduce the bug by making a single oracle_close tx for the oracle that has been open since 11000.
09:52
this brings us much closer to a solution.
09:54
I think maybe there is some data that isn't being included in the merkel proof.
Each block includes merkel proofs for all the consensus state that gets read to process the block. This is convenient because it means we can verify blocks entirely in RAM.
If one of the Merkel proofs was missing, it would cause a problem like what we are observing.
Each block includes merkel proofs for all the consensus state that gets read to process the block. This is convenient because it means we can verify blocks entirely in RAM.
If one of the Merkel proofs was missing, it would cause a problem like what we are observing.
Z
10:37
Zack
I think I might have recreated the bug. or at least I found another way to cause this to happen.
If you create an oracle, and then delete the account that created the oracle, then it causes this problem.
If anyone else should try to close the oracle, then the tx gets trapped in the mempool and stops the node from making blocks.
I am not sure why this account is even involved with closing the oracle?
Probably it is being unnecessarily read somewhere, and then unused.
If you create an oracle, and then delete the account that created the oracle, then it causes this problem.
If anyone else should try to close the oracle, then the tx gets trapped in the mempool and stops the node from making blocks.
I am not sure why this account is even involved with closing the oracle?
Probably it is being unnecessarily read somewhere, and then unused.
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14:53
Aizen Sou
One question @Zack. Is the supply of Amoveo defined by governance system too? What is the current value of the total supply variable and where could I read more about it? Thanks
A
15:29
Al
Hello guys, need to sell few VEO (cover electricity costs) - PM me for nice price.
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16:01
Asda Bayor
Any rough ETA on the exchange going live? ty
J
16:48
Jim
Diff 5172 vs predicted 5163. Woot
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17:32
Aizen Sou
Is there any variable for supply limit, Zack ?
IP
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18:19
Aizen Sou
It's not about concern. It's a question. Does it exist in Amoveo or not?
20:49
Deleted Account
What exactly is returned when the block submitted to the Amoveo node is not accepted?
20:54
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/apps/amoveo_http/src/api.erl#L504-L505 I see they are now using gen_server:call's instead of cast's, but the return values are not stored. I'm having trouble following the logic
Z
21:38
Zack
In reply to this message
It exists in the form of the block reward variable.
They are both measuring the same thing in different ways.
They are both measuring the same thing in different ways.
21:39
In reply to this message
It crashes. the http server should return some error code for internal server failure.
21:39
Deleted Account
Ah cool, looks like it's returning "500" in this case
AS
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22:05
Zack
Since we can change any of the governance variables at any time, it doesn't matter how the current set of variables would behave if left unchanged.
For governance variables, only pay attention to the next 4000 blocks, because any longer than that, and they could all be changed.
So, the expected future market cap, and the block reward are the same thing.
For governance variables, only pay attention to the next 4000 blocks, because any longer than that, and they could all be changed.
So, the expected future market cap, and the block reward are the same thing.
AS
22:09
Aizen Sou
So in theory we could stop all mining rewards immediately and the miners will get paid by tx fees only?
22:10
And the next 4000 blocks mining rewards could be paid again ? Such scenario is also possible ?
OK
22:17
O K
"Can change" is meaningless if the change is not foreseeable
S
22:20
Sebsebzen
How would the voting work? By hashpower or amount of coins in wallet or smth else?
AS
22:25
Aizen Sou
I only see block reward, dev reward, max block size and block period in the blockchain variables
22:25
The question is block reward = 0 possible ?
Z
MF
23:53
Mr Flintstone
In reply to this message
I thought the governance variables were bound by a % change?
23:53
which is itself a governance variable
28 April 2018
Z
00:28
Zack
right. but once you go below 100, then it changes to being an integer change instead of a percent change.
n2
00:59
noob 2
does 1.3 work with amd?
01:00
also, is there a way to set difficulty?
Z
06:13
Zack
In reply to this message
I heard that it does not work with amd, but I have not tested myself.
MF
06:51
Mr Flintstone
In reply to this message
could you expand on exactly what you mean by “go below 100”?
Z
06:51
Zack
Each governance variable is an integer.
Its lowest possible value is 0.
Its lowest possible value is 0.
06:52
the highest value is something like 2^248
06:53
If we tried setting the blocktime to 0, Amoveo would break before we could succeed.
I
06:54
Iridescence
Blocktime to 0 😱
MF
07:24
Mr Flintstone
thanks
07:24
I think they are represented with larger numbers tho
07:25
so like block reward is written in satoshis rihht?
Z
07:43
Zack
They are represented in a sort of scientific notation.
07:44
I may have found a solution to the oracle bug.
I got the tests to pass, and now I am trying to sync it.
I got the tests to pass, and now I am trying to sync it.
Z
09:18
Zack
@Simon3456 @potat_o
I made an upgrade that fixes the problem with the oracle.
I want us all to update together so that neither of you ends up on a fork. You could lose a lot of money if your mining pool is on the small side of the fork.
So send me a message once you have updated, and then I will do the tx that causes the hard update.
I made an upgrade that fixes the problem with the oracle.
I want us all to update together so that neither of you ends up on a fork. You could lose a lot of money if your mining pool is on the small side of the fork.
So send me a message once you have updated, and then I will do the tx that causes the hard update.
09:25
I wonder who BC80 mining pool is.
Too bad they didn't tell me their identity, so I cannot warn them directly.
I made a tweet, hopefully they notice.
Too bad they didn't tell me their identity, so I cannot warn them directly.
I made a tweet, hopefully they notice.
S
12:01
Sy
I am departing to a short vacation to Poland, I can probably update the node there though
S
12:24
Sy
otherwise 2nd of may the lastest
S
12:48
Sy
Mother in law 😝
Z
16:57
Zack
You can't do it now?
16:57
It takes minutes to update
S
17:23
Sebsebzen
Is the wallet stable enough to be added to an exchange? And would you be for doing it now Zack
17:24
I would like to add it to a small exchange that I’m shareholder in
Z
17:24
Zack
I am writing an exchange. It isn't done yet.
S
17:24
Just regular exchange with Thai Baht and crypto pairings
Z
17:25
Zack
Feel free to write another exchange, or to help me write the one I am making.
S
17:25
Sebsebzen
They also added other custom coins
17:25
It’s more about integrating VEO client to existing exchange
S
18:07
Sy
I won't update a pool node minutes before I'm on the road for hours...
Z
18:11
Zack
In reply to this message
Maybe you should turn your pool off then.
If the hard fork happens and you are trapped on the small fork, it would be bad.
Can't you use SSH from your phone?
If the hard fork happens and you are trapped on the small fork, it would be bad.
Can't you use SSH from your phone?
18:12
How much Veo do you leave on the server for paying rewards?
B
18:13
Ben
@potat_o can you take a look i still have 8.8 Veo Pending since a long time. BDGmaFo6kpzQBRrrnqLjWOuzfqtpd+GqPB3kOQjkoKRdj8fCWW22MBt4zhtaCOqhQQofKL7dfZkdpbDRrb+wWhE=
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18:17
Gonzalo
In reply to this message
Maybe you should make an anouncement at discord's "full-node operations". I'm updating in a few minutes...
Z
18:19
Zack
In reply to this message
It only really matters for the mining pools.
Everyone else can update later.
Sure I'll leave a message there.
Everyone else can update later.
Sure I'll leave a message there.
18:25
I think the fastest way to grow amoveo right now is by interacting with the augur and aeternity communities.
They are facing repeated delays. They spend a lot of money on looking professional, but don't deliver any working product.
Our oracle is more affordable and more accurate than their designs.
Our markets are much more scalable.
Our market cap is so much lower, so the potential for growth is bigger.
I wrote the minimal viable product for all 3 of these projects. Amoveo was designed after I learned from my mistakes in augur and aeternity. Amoveo has the best design.
They are facing repeated delays. They spend a lot of money on looking professional, but don't deliver any working product.
Our oracle is more affordable and more accurate than their designs.
Our markets are much more scalable.
Our market cap is so much lower, so the potential for growth is bigger.
I wrote the minimal viable product for all 3 of these projects. Amoveo was designed after I learned from my mistakes in augur and aeternity. Amoveo has the best design.
B
18:36
Ben
yeah
S
18:43
Sebsebzen
VEO also needs an ANN thread
18:43
At bitcointalk
18:44
I can get you an account if you need
18:44
For posting
18:44
I think that’s proper practice
IP
IP
19:09
I P
More decentralization would be also good
19:14
It is good to have your own Satoshi (Zack), but a community dev team won't hurt
S
19:53
Sy
Just wait a few more days Zack it won't happen anytime soon anyway or is another oracle ending?
19:53
And I won't be on the short chain, ap2 dropped below 50%...
Z
19:55
Zack
We still haven't closed the 2 oracles.
19:56
BC80 might update too. Then you would be on the shorter chain.
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19:58
Sy
I got about 4h ahead of me on the road
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19:58
Zack
If we close the Oracle, it will interfere with your ability to mine. Since every time the tx gets shared to you, the potential block gen server will crash.
It might push ap2 above 50%
It might push ap2 above 50%
19:59
Well, OK hasn't responded yet either.
We can wait more than 4 hours.
We can wait more than 4 hours.
OK
20:00
O K
I had planned to do this morning, but will wait and check back later
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20:00
Zack
Why not now? No harm in being ready
20:01
The change won't happen until someone publishes a tx that is invalid for the old rules
OK
20:01
O K
Oh okay, that makes sense
20:01
I'll do my backup node first
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20:01
Zack
Sounds good
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20:13
Sy
It doesn't break anyway, just stalls txs
20:13
Mining went in fine last time...
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21:16
Deleted Account
Are there any OTC traders in here?
21:43
Deleted Account
Anyone selling Veo?
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21:43
NM$L
me
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22:06
Ben
me too
KG
22:41
Kwon Giwon
how much 1 veo?
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22:52
Ben
185$
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22:52
Al
pls insta ban
22:57
Deleted Account
Ok :)
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23:11
Mr Flintstone
has anyone been having random node crashes in the last few weeks?
23:12
I’m pretty sure node stability is much improved now
23:12
idk about stability in the context of using it for exchange purposes
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23:12
Zack
Not me. Both my nodes have stayed up for over 2 weeks.
MF
23:12
Mr Flintstone
yeah
23:15
In reply to this message
if veo gets listed on tdax and we want to just trade the btc pair, are there aml/kyc hoops?
S
23:16
Sebsebzen
No
23:16
Only if you want to cash out to THB
MF
23:16
Mr Flintstone
cool
S
23:16
Sebsebzen
Otherwise only email veri
MF
23:16
Mr Flintstone
withdrawal limits for no aml/kyc?
S
23:16
Sebsebzen
Also have USDT
23:16
Nope
MF
23:16
Mr Flintstone
awesome
S
23:16
Sebsebzen
Maybe 2FA also mandatory have to check latest
23:17
Who can help integrate though?
23:17
I’d even give out 1-2 VEO
23:17
Their tech guys are pretty swamped now
MF
23:18
Mr Flintstone
I’d be willing to contribute to someone working on this. it’s always good to have multiple sources of liquidity
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23:18
Zack
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo-exchange
I'm working on an exchange here.
Once we get it working, it will be easy for anyone to list us against bitcoin.
I'm working on an exchange here.
Once we get it working, it will be easy for anyone to list us against bitcoin.
S
23:20
Also your exchange will be more like shapeshift, right? TDAX has order book and Thai Baht, BTC, ETH and USDT pairings (although most are not really much volume)
23:21
As long as nodes stable, I think can consider working on it. I'll ceck with flintstone
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23:21
Zack
It should be easy to connect it to an account system if you already have one.
I don't have an account system, so I went with the simple design that doesn't need accounts.
I don't have an account system, so I went with the simple design that doesn't need accounts.
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23:22
Sebsebzen
we have
23:22
i'll inquire the specs of the exchange architecture
Z
23:23
Zack
Payment verification, and the order book are well separated in what I built.
So you can easily replace one and keep the other, if that makes it easier to reuse their other tools.
So you can easily replace one and keep the other, if that makes it easier to reuse their other tools.
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23:23
Sebsebzen
just focus on the open source one first. I have one tech guy contact you in case he runs into problems
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23:25
Jon Snow
Looking forward to cash out in Thai Baht to fund my trip to Bangkok! Lol
s
23:32
I'm in Bangkok
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23:33
Sebsebzen
Nice
23:33
Are you a dev?
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02:43
Sebsebzen
lots of squatting with amoveo domains
02:43
I've reserved amoveo.pm ("prediction market") for 12 euros :)
02:44
and amoveo.one for 10 eur
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02:59
Minieep21
I've got a few to use in the future
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03:00
Sebsebzen
I'm happy to donate em to the project
Z
04:12
Zack
Great. Thanks guys
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07:11
Evans Pan
why AE is pumping？
07:12
Amoveo need at least a better website to attrack people
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07:15
Sy
I'm happy with a low profile, still mining
K
08:43
Kale
WTS with good offer,pm plz
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11:49
Sebsebzen
In reply to this message
Yes. Think so too. But it’s time to think about ANN thread. Otherwise people will say it was premine or ninja mined
11:58
Copy pasting the the github White Paper is probably enough. Maybe organise it a bit to match usual ANN thread format.
12:07
amoveo.pm now points to github
14:04
Deleted Account
anyone selling?
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AI
18:14
Andrey Ivashentsev
+1
10 veo @225$
10 veo @225$
IP
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18:45
Zack
In reply to this message
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3440182.new#new
I made the ANN thread on bitcoin talk because of Sebsebzen's suggestion.
I made the ANN thread on bitcoin talk because of Sebsebzen's suggestion.
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18:45
Sebsebzen
Wow!
18:45
Awesome
18:45
Btw
18:46
18:46
This is a design my friend did
18:46
Just sharing here with the community for feedback
18:47
It’s an A + V that forms a crystalline structure
Z
18:48
Zack
the diamond shape kind of reminds me of Ethereum's logo.
Personally, I prefer solid colors over shading.
It is a cool logo, I am not much good at art myself.
Personally, I prefer solid colors over shading.
It is a cool logo, I am not much good at art myself.
S
18:50
Sebsebzen
Yep the diamond shape has been used by other smart contract platforms as well, so it’s a bit intentional. Agree to the shading part. It’s just an initial draft that he came up with after few minutes. I’ve asked for some other proposals too :)
18:53
I think you’ve mentioned it before. But could you tell me again what amoveo means. Amo, Veo. And what you associated with.
18:55
And how would you describe it in one sentence?
18:56
I think aeternity says “Scalable smart contracts interfacing with real world data.”
Z
18:58
Zack
Amoveo is a word from Romance languages.
In English it is the root of the words "remove" and "move".
It is kind of like "cast-off".
We amoveo the old financial system and hierarchies.
In English it is the root of the words "remove" and "move".
It is kind of like "cast-off".
We amoveo the old financial system and hierarchies.
18:59
in one sentence...
19:00
"Amoveo is a blockchain meant for enforcement of investment and insurance contracts."
This is the main sentence I wrote on github
This is the main sentence I wrote on github
19:00
but maybe a main sentence should say something about scalable trust-free markets that happen off-chain in the lightning network.
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19:16
Sebsebzen
The latter sounds much juicier
AS
IP
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19:55
Ben
/
S
19:56
A mechanism
19:56
Like founder wallet
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19:56
Ben
what is the invite link to this channel?
Z
B
19:57
Ben
thx
Z
19:57
Zack
In reply to this message
1/6th of every block reward is going to an account that will become accessible to me in about 7.5 months.
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19:57
Sebsebzen
Great!
Z
19:58
Zack
this developer reward is a governance variable that the community can adjust.
S
19:58
Sebsebzen
And do you plan to hire a team afterwards or something
Z
19:58
Zack
A long-term solution for funding improvements to Amoveo is here: https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/use-cases-and-ideas/raising_funds.md
I?
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21:32
Frisb
What’s the algo for mining?
MF
21:34
Mr Flintstone
single sha 256
21:34
per zack : Amoveo use single SHA256, and the header is smaler. overall, the Amoveo mining algorithm is about 4x shorter than the Bitcoin mining algorithm.
OK
22:11
O K
In reply to this message
This is pretty cool actually. If you make it a bit more square (less tall), flatten maybe (no 3d), possibly use slightly different shades for the A and V, and deepen or combine colors like a Venn diagram or plaid where they overlap, and add a circle around it (the O in amoveo) I think it could be really badass
S
22:27
thx
22:45
Deleted Account
hi
22:48
How to mine this coin, I have AMD miners
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22:57
Deleted Account
How to set the RX570's six graphics parameters? I do not understand. Thank you
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23:20
Kale
today,many big buyer contact me
23:20
Veo will listed on big exchange?
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23:26
Darius | Varys Capital
Hello Eveyone,
I’m relatively ignorant on VEO but trying to learn more about it. Any great resources you could recommend?
I’m relatively ignorant on VEO but trying to learn more about it. Any great resources you could recommend?
23:27
Deleted Account
I also want to know.
Z
23:27
/docs/design might interest you
23:27
or /docs/use-cases
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23:28
Darius | Varys Capital
In reply to this message
Thanks guys and thanks @sebsebzen good to see you here buddy
23:28
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Zack
Is there a way to see how much circulating supply in the current network is?
Is there a way to see how much circulating supply in the current network is?
S
23:28
Sebsebzen
:) when is your docu out
23:29
plus, anyone going to consensus?
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23:29
Deleted Account
Miner software I still don't know how to use it.
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23:31
Sebsebzen
marketcap is 4-5 mil usd
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23:41
Ben
so piece of cake
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23:42
Zack some of the best docs I’ve seen in a while !
23:45
Deleted Account
veominer.exe BKZ0YAMK8rdqtNiT4JMAJ6UO6weZtw+LBz1DFgE1ujkiY1KBzEohBeVp/h8x9obvFPfee1BwAwphx+7n2eG0MlE= 0,1,2,3,4,5 64 128 SEED 65536 0
23:46
I fill in this way and only 2 cards are working. I don't know where the problem is
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23:47
goons
Not sure - haven’t tried yet plan on doing so tonight or tomorrow. Make sure your bios is good, connections, drivers, etc - yes obvious stuff
23:48
Deleted Account
put ALL not 1,2,3,4 etc..
MF
23:48
Mr Flintstone
Not a miner but think you need one command per device
23:48
for certain miners
23:48
Deleted Account
if not, then 2 miners per instance.
OK
23:49
O K
In reply to this message
You can run multiple cmd, one per card if your processor can handle it
30 April 2018
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00:06
Deleted Account
Is someone using AMD miners?
00:08
Deleted Account
Do I need to instal visual studio for veominer?
Z
00:14
Deleted Account
What is the total amount of amoveo coins?
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00:14
Ben
it does indeed, someone should add an easy "how to" since this question get asked a lot
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00:27
I P
In reply to this message
Seriously, readme on miner page+ 5 minites of experimets and you will know how to use it
OK
00:34
O K
I use a combination of 1.2 for amd and 1.3 for nvidia
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Deleted Account
do i need to install visual studio for veominer?
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01:22
Zack
I think not. It is a binary install.
01:22
Deleted Account
thanks
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Deleted Account
some dll missing . I uploaded them but veominer doesnt work for now
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02:04
Sebsebzen
second draft
02:04
02:11
Deleted Account
Is anybody using veominer 1.3 for windows working?
02:14
cuda 9.1 necessary?
OK
02:14
O K
Windows
NVidia Run Dependencies
Install Visual Studio 2015
Install Cuda 9.1 (includes OpenCL)
NVidia Run Dependencies
Install Visual Studio 2015
Install Cuda 9.1 (includes OpenCL)
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02:48
Al
hello guys, got 4 veo for sale currently.. have only 10 mins, so pm pls
OK
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03:16
Sy
👍
03:17
Just upgraded...is there any way to tell what version a node is running?
Z
03:49
In reply to this message
I am guessing there is some gut command to look up how many commits are in your history.
Or you can look up the root hash of the current git state.
Or you can look up the root hash of the current git state.
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03:59
Sy
Na I meant from the outside
03:59
Like maybe a version post
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04:00
Zack
What is "outside"?
BR
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04:03
Zack
Better to do trading on discord
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04:29
Bluedream
hey guys. How much is VEO per each? no kidding plz
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04:30
Zack
Hard to know.
Lots of people post fake trading prices.
Lots of people post fake trading prices.
04:30
Be careful, only buy a little at a time.
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04:31
Deleted Account
How much does it cost to create a question to oracle?
Z
04:31
Zack
In reply to this message
Yes. On discord people publish prices between $130 and $250 today.
They can't all be honest.
They can't all be honest.
04:32
In reply to this message
Around 0.3 Veo. I don't remember the exact amount. It is a governance variable.
OK
04:32
O K
Yes, that's the bids and asks I agree. I don't think that makes them fake or dishonest
04:32
Just a large spread
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04:45
Ben
close to 200 is current real price
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04:49
Sy
Yep
04:49
Even though Zack doesn't believe it 😁
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05:04
hewwo
Hello guys
05:05
I'm new here, so, is there a roadmap somewhere and how it is different than Aeternity ?
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05:14
Zack
In reply to this message
There is a todo list of things that need to get done. But no dates on when they will get done. https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/todo.md
My plans for the future have some goals:
1) get a bitcoin-veo exchange working
2) find an initial popular use case for the markets
3) study our first group of users, and keep making their user experience better.
What makes us different from Aeternity.
* Amoveo doesn't use an ICO, instead the tokens are distributed by mining.
* Amoveo is already launched, Aeternity still hasn't launched.
* Amoveo has a game theoretically secure trustless oracle system, Aeternity uses a trustful oracle system.
* Amoveo has turing complete smart contracts off-chain in the lightning network. Aeternity smart contracts are on-chain, like Ethereum.
I wrote this comparison between Amoveo and many of the competitors: https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/progress_reports/April_2018.md
My plans for the future have some goals:
1) get a bitcoin-veo exchange working
2) find an initial popular use case for the markets
3) study our first group of users, and keep making their user experience better.
What makes us different from Aeternity.
* Amoveo doesn't use an ICO, instead the tokens are distributed by mining.
* Amoveo is already launched, Aeternity still hasn't launched.
* Amoveo has a game theoretically secure trustless oracle system, Aeternity uses a trustful oracle system.
* Amoveo has turing complete smart contracts off-chain in the lightning network. Aeternity smart contracts are on-chain, like Ethereum.
I wrote this comparison between Amoveo and many of the competitors: https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/progress_reports/April_2018.md
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05:30
hewwo
Thanks
05:30
Is there a premine ?
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05:30
Zack
Yes. I didn't want a premine, but I accidentally gave myself 100 Veo at the start.
It was set up this way for easy testing, and I forgot to turn it off before main net launch.
It was set up this way for easy testing, and I forgot to turn it off before main net launch.
05:31
This is about the same as 18-hours of mining 10-minute blocks.
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05:31
Iridescence
haha so honest
Z
05:32
Zack
or since the block time was 30 seconds at the beginning, it is like a 50-minute premine.
05:32
Those 100 veo are part of the developer reward, so I wont have access to them until block 48000.
Z
05:48
Zack
Bitcoin has about 10 million times more hashpower than Amoveo.
Bitcoin rewards per day are about 400x bigger than Amoveo rewards per day.
So it seems like bitcoin mining is about 25000x more efficient than Amoveo mining.
How is this possible?
Possible causes of Bitcoin's high efficiency:
* ASICS instead of GPU use around 5x less electricity.
* moving to a part of the world where electricity is cheap saves around 10x the cost.
* Scaling up to big mining farms instead of small rigs probably saves 5x
So these factors can explain around 250x of the difference in efficiency. How do we explain the last 100x?
Either I forgot to include some reason, or I am mis-estimating one of the reasons.
Bitcoin rewards per day are about 400x bigger than Amoveo rewards per day.
So it seems like bitcoin mining is about 25000x more efficient than Amoveo mining.
How is this possible?
Possible causes of Bitcoin's high efficiency:
* ASICS instead of GPU use around 5x less electricity.
* moving to a part of the world where electricity is cheap saves around 10x the cost.
* Scaling up to big mining farms instead of small rigs probably saves 5x
So these factors can explain around 250x of the difference in efficiency. How do we explain the last 100x?
Either I forgot to include some reason, or I am mis-estimating one of the reasons.
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05:50
Iridescence
Because not as many people know about Amoveo
Z
05:51
Zack
Maybe you guys are spending $0.01 to mine $1 of Veo?
05:52
I guess the limiting factor now is that you don't want your house to be so hot.
The price of electricity isn't important
The price of electricity isn't important
Z
06:21
Zack
My 1 kilowatt electric stove makes the room uncomfortable after only 20 minutes.
It only costs about $0.04 in those 20 minutes.
It only costs about $0.04 in those 20 minutes.
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06:21
Denis
In reply to this message
The limiting factors are price of GPUs and price of electricity. Bitcoin ASICs are ~2000 times cheaper in term of $ per Gh/s, and ~ 600 times more efficient in watt per Gh
Z
07:23
Zack
In reply to this message
Given that info...
difference in hardware cost is 2000x.
electricity price by global location is 3.5x.
efficiency of scale is 3.5x.
So a difference in 25000x efficiency seems fairly reasonable at this stage.
This is a good sign that no one has better mining tools giving them an excessive advantage.
difference in hardware cost is 2000x.
electricity price by global location is 3.5x.
efficiency of scale is 3.5x.
So a difference in 25000x efficiency seems fairly reasonable at this stage.
This is a good sign that no one has better mining tools giving them an excessive advantage.
OK
07:50
O K
Sauna good for human
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09:06
goons
Is there some sort of swap from aeternity?
IP
09:07
2nd best question in this chat after 1 dude asked if veo is an erc20 token
g
09:08
goons
Wel it’s not that dumb
09:08
Look at AE
09:08
People prob buying it bc they think swap
OK
09:09
O K
Is it pumping?
IP
OK
09:10
O K
It's just alt season
IP
09:10
I P
feeling kind of sad that i did not make money out of that pump
I
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09:11
goons
Dude fuck you guys
I
09:11
Iridescence
Sorry man
09:11
Zack was the lead dev from AE
IP
OK
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09:11
goons
I know that
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09:11
Iridescence
That's the connection
IP
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I
09:12
Iridescence
But other than that I don't think he plans anything with AE
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09:12
goons
Tone didn’t come across via text and knew the connection, saw AE get dumped today
I
09:12
Iridescence
He's a pretty awesome dev though, amazing code and productivity
g
09:12
goons
Definitely
OK
09:12
O K
Yeah, I believe someone from AE threatened Zack physically. They don't talk at all anymore
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09:12
Iridescence
Oo ok
09:12
Haven't been following AE
09:13
I thought it pumped recently
g
09:13
goons
Yeah last few days
09:13
Also my “fuck you guys” was in jest - like cartman voice
09:13
SO NOW THAT WERE ALL FRIENDS
09:13
happy to be hear.
OK
09:14
O K
Good 😂
JS
09:16
J. Stone
mine always seems to be stuck on block
18460
OK
09:18
O K
I'll do AE swaps
09:19
125 AE = 1 Veo
09:19
DM me
JS
09:20
J. Stone
is
18462 the proper block height? Thats what the lite node wallet is at
OK
JS
09:20
J. Stone
thank you
OK
09:20
O K
yw
JS
09:20
J. Stone
not sure why my node isn't syncing
OK
09:20
O K
Is port 8080 open
JS
09:20
J. Stone
or isn't going past 18460
OK
09:21
O K
are you
sync_mode:normal(). https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/getting-started/sync.md
JS
09:22
J. Stone
yeah
09:23
I just did a manual
sync:get_headers({{1,2,3,4}, 8080}). to one of the peers on the explorer that shows the proper height. Now I'm up to date
09:23
hopefully it stays that way
OK
09:23
O K
If you're at top height, you might add yourself to the peers list per the command listed
JS
09:24
J. Stone
not sure that this node will be staying online, but if and when I move it to my permanent VPS I certainly will do that
OK
09:24
O K
It won't hurt anything either way, it will just make sure you are notified when the next block is found and stay synced
JS
09:25
J. Stone
GPU mining always turns me away from a coin as I have no means or resources for mining, but still going to follow along with things.
OK
09:25
O K
Why not get GPUs?
IP
09:26
I P
In reply to this message
what's wrong with gpu mining? each and every man can buy at least 1 graphics card and start mining with their pc
09:26
i started that way
OK
09:26
O K
Many of us did
JS
09:26
J. Stone
time and resources
IP
09:26
I P
ASIC mining is much more problematic
09:27
you kind of need to order from bitmain and that sucks
JS
09:27
J. Stone
tell me about it...I jumped on the Scrypt train years ago
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09:27
goons
You guys have had rigs pointed for a few weeks already right ?
09:27
ASIC = security imo
IP
09:28
I P
the whole concept of asics is not that bad
09:29
what bad is that there is bitmain monopoly and asic market is really unhealthy
JS
09:29
J. Stone
the idea of GPU mining is that in theory "anyone" should be able to participate, but price of GPUs is unreal anymore
OK
09:29
O K
If you were here at launch, you could have paid for your rig
JS
09:30
J. Stone
well thanks for that. That helps a lot
09:31
is this the same algo as aeternity?
IP
g
JS
09:32
J. Stone
true. Chinese mining farms are relentless when it comes to snatching up all ASICs as quick as possible
IP
09:32
I P
In reply to this message
depends on what hashes you want to look. i doubt that bitmain will make smth better on $/hash basis for equihash
OK
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09:32
goons
Damn
09:32
I was watching and forgot
09:33
Came back last week
IP
09:33
I P
well you can still join
09:34
it is still very early
OK
JS
09:34
J. Stone
keep getting this now
removing peer [-7,[-7,45,77,8,119],8080]
server crashed.
txs
removing peer [-7,[-7,51,15,75,100],8080]
command was txs
OK
g
IP
09:34
I P
it will be late once people from aeternity and augur join this community
JS
09:34
J. Stone
got it thanks
09:36
there have been dozens of GPU algo coins within the last 18 months that I wanted to mine but just never got started on. I might have to eventually. Don't know the first thing about GPU mining though
OK
09:38
O K
Diving in head first is the best way
09:38
Watch youtube, buy, get started
JS
09:39
J. Stone
can I ask what GPUs you are using, how many, and how many Amoveo blocks you're averaging per 24 hours?
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09:39
O K
One gtx 1080 would get 1 amoveo in about 20 days
JS
09:40
J. Stone
geez
09:41
guess that is ROI in about 2 months probably at these prices, much quicker as the price rises.
09:41
assuming the same mining difficulty, which isn't going to happen
OK
09:42
O K
You can rationalize all day 🤷♀️
IP
09:47
there is really no reason, i think it has been stable at 150-200$ per veo for some time now
09:48
so roi will get down because many more people come to mine veo but i don't see any problem
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C
10:25
CryptoGainz
Hey :D
10:27
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😁 this might be the fastest I’ve ever gained confidence in an OTC coin
I
10:33
Iridescence
Haha
10:34
Because of @jimtalksdata?
10:35
Looking at Zack's code in Aeternity and now Amoveo was all I needed to have confidence in this project
C
10:37
CryptoGainz
Jim coins are the best tho
10:37
Btw, anyone active OTC trading channel?
MF
10:37
Mr Flintstone
discord
C
10:38
CryptoGainz
Ty
MF
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MF
10:40
23626 at the moment
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C
10:41
CryptoGainz
BIS, GBYTE :D
IP
10:48
but otherwise it is a good project
C
10:53
CryptoGainz
The tech is great, price not withstanding
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12:30
I P
wow Zack posted ann on btctalk
12:30
12:30
first replies he got... special olympics at btctalk
12:31
Sticker
Not included, change data exporting settings to download.
😥, 9.1 KB
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13:14
Sy
Yeah better make that a fire and forget, btctalk is annoying
Z
13:22
Deleted Account
still zero balance but Hash rate and ter all night?
13:22
last share
Z
13:23
Zack
I think amoveopool waits 50 blocks before paying
13:26
Deleted Account
does it shows anything? me shows only hashrate but balance still zero
Z
13:26
Zack
@jimtalksdata https://jimhsu.github.io/amoveo-stats/
It is only displaying the first 6000 blocks of history.
It is only displaying the first 6000 blocks of history.
13:30
Deleted Account
So amoveopool wait 50 blocks before showing balance? This I do not understand.
IP
13:32
link us your miner stats
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13:57
It should update every 30 min or so (to reduce server load)
K
14:16
Kxxxed
Buying.. PM me
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15:36
Ben
go to bed kushed ;)
IP
15:43
I P
http://78.46.149.239:8080 explorer wallet 18444 29 Apr, 2018 22:07:09 Sy's node out of sync? @Simon3456
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Sy
Hmm again? Odd
16:34
Two times in two days
16:39
Something is crashing nodes, not sure what
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16:44
Ben
lets make a bet what it is :P
16:44
i bet on Oracles
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