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30 May 2018
MF
21:29
Mr Flintstone
like 500
21:29
or so
21:29
price has come down
21:29
I think for large quantities you still need to pay through the nose
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21:58
Deleted Account
Ae delayed its mainnet launch
M
22:00
Minieep21
Ah we should have bet on it 😂
BN
22:13
Bubba Neunzig
ty got it
IP
22:26
Deleted Account
AE hired morons
IP
22:29
I P
i saw people making TA on AE chart like this is going to the MOON lololol i hope they all get rekt hard
22:37
Deleted Account
Lol
22:40
Deleted Account
Stupid morons
MF
22:42
Mr Flintstone
FYI, next diff will be +140% increase or so
22:42
This is the biggest diff jump since the very early days
IP
22:46
although i will get significantly less coins from mining which makes me sad
S
22:48
Sy
we had 2 larger
22:48
a really early one was x20 and later x4
22:48
holy shit, 48 th estimate
Z
23:06
Zack
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Just link them to github. Maybe they don't realize there is a place to learn these things.
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23:23
Deleted Account
When is next diff jump
K
23:25
Kale
tomorrow
MF
23:30
Mr Flintstone
500 more blocks or so
23:30
at height 26000
23:37
Deleted Account
What's the best configuration for 1080ti with latest veominer
23:38
The lastet one is rather slow than old ones
J
23:45
JackZhou
The launch of AE main network was delayed again
31 May 2018
M
00:05
Deleted Account
No. Its rescheduled to aug 8th
OK
00:05
O K
Anyone have a source one way or the other?
00:06
Deleted Account
00:06
What's the best configuration for 1080ti with latest veominer
OK
00:07
He's very knowledgable
M
00:10
Wrong Groupe Here. You could head over to the aeternity group.
OK
M
00:13
Marv
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Ok. But you see the Date in pivotal. And in the Blog Link you can read that this is their live estimated time .
MF
00:13
Mr Flintstone
look Marv, if you think aeternity will launch mainnet by end of June, we can bet using amoveo . I’ll give you 2:1 odds
OK
00:13
You down Marv?
00:13
Deleted Account
I am in also
00:13
Deleted Account
Me too
MF
00:13
Mr Flintstone
ill even pay the oracle fee
00:13
Deleted Account
definitely a delay
N
00:15
NM$L
I join
OK
00:15
O K
This is fantastic guys!
IP
00:16
I P
we need to find people who think aeternity would launc because clearly we all think it will get delayed(not june) and we can't all just bet on failure, need other side
M
00:16
Marv
I think there will be a delay. But what you do is FUD. All official channels are Communicating q2. Just because our stomach says "no it will be later" yiu cant tell so. Thats what fud is. Did you even read the Blog Post?
MF
00:16
Mr Flintstone
I’m not talking fud
00:16
I’m talking betting
IP
00:16
I P
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lol, so everything which does not praise the shit you are invested in is fud?
M
00:17
Marv
No. You said it is delayed. In fact it isnt
OK
00:17
On the currently working amoveo platform
MF
00:17
Mr Flintstone
ok. If it isn’t delayed, it will be released in June right?
M
OK
00:17
O K
Should be all in good fun right?
M
OK
M
00:19
Marv
But its this FUD spreading i dont like
OK
00:19
O K
FUD spread tastes nice on toast with peanut butter
MF
00:19
Mr Flintstone
we can use amoveo to separate thr FUD from the truth
00:19
I am trying to do that right now
M
00:19
Marv
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I wouldnt because i think it will delayed, but it isnt and there is nothing that let it seem delayed right now
IP
00:19
I P
man i don't know if it is fud but aeternity took a lot of money from people long time ago and they are not in a hurry to launch anything working
OK
00:20
O K
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I think what people are talking about when they say "delayed" is that it says in the blog that some things will be finished in august
00:20
As opposed to Q2
IP
00:20
I P
what was the original roadmap release date? i don't remeber, but it is due
M
00:21
Marv
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There testnet is working very good, much better then ameveos... just saying. Just because they dont set unready things into producations dont make them bad
00:22
Deleted Account
That's not Fud
00:22
It's delayed
OK
M
00:24
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M
00:25
Marv
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All task dont mean mainnet. There are dapps and Smartphone miners that will come later
00:37
Deleted Account
Well if you check the repo, they have a lot of work to do, and still have the test net in erlang from Zack
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Z
00:55
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I didn't know their testnet is working very good. Maybe we should copy some of their code.
I will test it out now.
I will test it out now.
00:56
It seems like they don't have instructions for compiling. The only way to try out the testnet is to use a pre-compiled release.
00:57
Deleted Account
Yes, have a lot of problems to compile
M
00:58
But never did it myself
00:58
Deleted Account
But is not so different from your original implementation.
Z
00:58
Zack
Hard to call their testnet "very good" if there is no script for building.
It is impossible to try modifying the code if you cannot rebuild.
It is nearly impossible to learn or test if I can't modify the code.
It is impossible to try modifying the code if you cannot rebuild.
It is nearly impossible to learn or test if I can't modify the code.
01:01
I wonder what their 30 programmers are doing if they can't even build the software.
Maybe they are doing this to stop people like me from looking at their work.
Maybe they are doing this to stop people like me from looking at their work.
OK
01:02
Maybe they're letting you do the work
M
Z
01:03
Zack
oh, this is just a dependency issue. they are using a different version of erlang
M
Z
01:38
Zack
I gave up trying to compile it, and now the release isn't working either.
01:40
I am good at erlang and blockchain. So if I can't get either their release to work, or compile their software, then I have to say that it is not "very good" yet.
02:15
Deleted Account
anyone know what this is?
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02:44
gh0stOo
hey guys i use the amoveo miner 1.4 is it smarter to use the newer version ? is it stable or faster ?
02:44
maybe better hash rates ?
OK
02:45
O K
Depends on your card, but the newer version allows you to use the 1.4 kernel version as an argument
02:45
Also 2.0+ arguments are easier in general
02:45
There is a small learning curve though
g
02:47
gh0stOo
i use rx570 and rx580 amd gpus
02:47
7 rigs and its currently stable. so im not sure if i should update the version ? ist there a benefit for me ?
OK
02:48
O K
I would try on my smallest rig first if I were you
02:48
But if it ain't broke
g
02:49
gh0stOo
ok thanks thats a plan :) i will try it tonight.
OK
02:49
O K
On 1.4 AMD performed best, iirc with a pretty big numblocks
02:50
On the newer versions I think I'd start with like n=256 b=256 and see how that goes
g
03:10
gh0stOo
ok ii tryed but gt an error
03:10
PlatformId: 1, All GPU Devices: 6
Device: 0, Name: Ellesmere
Device: 1, Name: Ellesmere
Device: 2, Name: Ellesmere
Device: 3, Name: Ellesmere
Device: 4, Name: Ellesmere
Device: 5, Name: Ellesmere
Failed clGetDeviceIDs err = -32.
Device: 0, Name: Ellesmere
Device: 1, Name: Ellesmere
Device: 2, Name: Ellesmere
Device: 3, Name: Ellesmere
Device: 4, Name: Ellesmere
Device: 5, Name: Ellesmere
Failed clGetDeviceIDs err = -32.
03:15
changed p=1 now it runs :) thx @potat_o
OK
03:16
O K
👍
g
03:18
gh0stOo
but before i got 1,2ghs now 710mhs
03:18
with a single gpu
OK
03:22
O K
The arguments have definitely changed
03:22
You can always keep the install and do kv=4 with old arguments
03:22
That should run you on the 1.4 kernel
g
03:28
gh0stOo
ok i will try
03:37
Deleted Account
So can someone explain to me sort of where this project is at this point? I know the mainnet was out 3mo ago but what else is exactly going on?
Z
04:06
Zack
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/community_roadmap.md
Big picture road map
Big picture road map
06:31
Deleted Account
Anyone know how much veo is selling for nowadays?
MS
06:37
Michael Sparks
400-600
06:39
Deleted Account
Use kernel sync also for amd
06:41
Deleted Account
What is the most current fastest miner for veo?
06:41
Still Pham’s?
MF
07:01
Mr Flintstone
176 th/s
07:12
orphan rates are probably crazy right now
IP
07:13
I P
hashrate right now is crazy. how come it went so high so fast?
MF
08:03
Mr Flintstone
I mean in theory veo is like the most profitable coin to mine right now
08:04
400 blocks in the last 24 hours
IP
08:05
I P
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well this is due to massive hashrate inflow but blocktime and difficulty will get up with 26000 block readjustment
MF
08:07
Mr Flintstone
well, diff is locked in to increase by 2.4x
08:07
this represents about 80 th/s to maintain 600 second blocks after the adjustment
08:38
Deleted Account
Why are people selling it full amount of coins
08:38
Whole*
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KR
09:38
Kevin Roberts BWD
Check out @fyonner96’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/fyonner96/status/1001557232109137920?s=09
09:40
Another veo ticker?
IP
09:50
09:50
how do we get people to distribute their hashrate?
09:51
clearly what i see right now is bad. Why don't miners undestand that?
09:52
i mean Zack's pool had 0 fee and it is only 3%
09:54
amoveopool2 is also good but it has only 2.5% hashrate...
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10:08
jayntguru
Zack's issues during the first part of the attack scared me away. Then I lost my money to a bounty for a miner that doesn't work. 😐
10:09
I spent 36 hours on shitfish trying to spread the love and they found two blocks to show for it... 35gh and I have .034 for my efforts.
IP
10:13
I P
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ok, try amoveopool2. it works well and now is protected from ddos. During ddos we all were unable to mine stable on any pool.. now it is fixed
j
10:14
jayntguru
now it's a chicken/egg problem.. my buddies spent all day there and didn't earn crap. 1 block in 24 hours is rough.
10:14
need to get coordinated groups to agree to move together.
10:16
if we could just all agree to get off the china pool I think things would even out a bit.
MF
10:16
Mr Flintstone
let’s not change our ticker
IP
10:16
I P
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ap2 got 10 blocks in 24 hours. the problem is that stats for earning are updated there with a lag so you might think that you earn nothing but in reality you earned already
MF
10:16
Mr Flintstone
that is some weak shit
j
10:17
jayntguru
it is hard as hell to bench your earnings with this coin.
IP
10:18
I P
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people care too much right now about their own pockets even if there is no real reason to be afraid of not making enough money
j
10:26
jayntguru
gotta pay for electricity and try to ROI these cards at the same time. every penny counts. :)
IP
10:28
amoveo mining gets more than enough for paying bills and roi
10:32
if we are able to establish stable and more decentralized network (in terms of pool hashrate balance) your mined coins will cost more
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10:33
jayntguru
I'm not arguing against it. just saying that my 36 hours on shitfish were far from profitable. .034 with 9 gpu's running isn't enough.
J
10:34
Jim
@kitty123 it is technically possible to build an “altruistic pool” that randomly redirects incoming getwork requests to another random pool?
10:34
I don’t know enough about mining pools to know if that is possible
IP
10:39
I P
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i think that this should be possible. Altruism does not really work with blockchains though, so there should be other incentives
10:40
i don't know if it could be done, but lets say that if miners are concentrated on 1 or 2 big pools network monitors that almost all blocks go to 1 or 2 wallets of those pools and cuts block reward
MF
10:41
Mr Flintstone
I think the incentive would have to be paying miners. but you would need to pay them in excess of how much they would lose from that strategy
10:41
cuz if they aren’t mining the best pool for them they are losing out
J
10:41
Jim
Incentives not the hard part. We can enroll addresses that participate in a lottery for instance, and use part of dev fee to cover. Just curious if possible.
MF
10:41
Mr Flintstone
can you prove they switched pools?
J
10:41
Jim
Yes, that’s what I’m wondering
MF
10:41
Mr Flintstone
I guess yeah if we centralized the admission
10:42
but that’s hardly the kind of proof people like
IP
10:42
I P
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the only problem here is that you can write custom pool software so it rotates many wallets for 1 pool and this punishment won't work
MF
10:43
Mr Flintstone
I guess you could technically ask the oracle in some horrifically inefficient way
10:43
but maybe there is a way to ask it in a clever manner
J
10:44
Jim
I’m betting someone on bitcointalk’s dev forum has thought of this. Might be worth searching there
IP
10:45
I P
I don't know if Zack knows how to solve current miner centralization issue, i hope he knows
MF
10:45
Mr Flintstone
can you simplify it to making a mechanism to pay one miner only for switching pools?
10:45
i feel like that is easier to reason about
10:46
have them commit some stake with a pubkey
IP
10:48
I P
i remember before that DDOS attack on all pools miner distribution was much better, like 4 pools had 15-30% each and all other were on smaller pools
11:07
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JAY CRYPTO:
i want to found honest big buyer to keep long cooperate with veo,pm
i want to found honest big buyer to keep long cooperate with veo,pm
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13:26
Deleted Account
Announce： the pool fee of veo.network will raise to 2.1% after Jun 1st. To keep balance of hashpower.
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Deleted Account
i want to found honest big buyer (50 daily )to keep long cooperate with veo,pm
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Deleted Account
hi
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20:35
[Riki]
Top tier pools should temporarily ncrease fee drastically
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20:59
Deleted Account
Looking to set up a pool for just the local network (all my machines), does anyone have any guidance for how this can be done?
21:01
Deleted Account
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Didn't they already do this? I think http://amoveo.noncense.tech/ has the lowest fee of all the pools right now plus we pay all transfer fees on rewards so miners get the full reward
21:02
Ah my mistake, Zack's pool is still at 0%
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23:45
Deleted Account
I am Bo bosmu！yesterday got banned by aeternity admin. Now I changed another user name.
23:45
AE sucks
Z
23:46
Zack
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make multi-quick
launches 3 testnet nodes on your computer starting from genesis block on a new testnet.
launches 3 testnet nodes on your computer starting from genesis block on a new testnet.
1 June 2018
OK
Z
00:04
Zack
They banned me from everything too
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00:07
Zack
I bet it is because he said "amoveo"
N
00:08
NM$L
I searched 'amoveo' in ae group .and shows 27 results
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[Riki]
I just went to tease ;)
N
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NM$L
I have many ae.😃
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00:37
Aries
oh fun fact group
00:37
try posting this video
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on the AET telegram group
00:39
lol
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00:53
which are other good pools?
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00:54
Ruplik
look guys. I tested all the pools. The ONLY one that have been 100% stable for me is shit.fish
00:54
also they gives nice and kind support on Discord
00:54
it never webt down. Stable payments and high profit
00:55
I was on PW also and now it wnt down AGAIN
00:55
I moved back now to shit.fish
00:57
EP
00:57
Evans Pan
there is a new pool still working
00:57
another round of attacking
j
01:07
Deleted Account
Veopool is the stablest one. Frontend is crashing sometimes
OK
j
01:16
jayntguru
they have no hash and no blocks so I think it wasn't worth the ddos payment to attack there too
EP
01:21
Evans Pan
no thats not right
01:23
brand new pools are under attacking once connecting to mainnet
Z
01:26
Zack
My pool only got attacked 2 times. It is up almost all the time.
EP
j
01:27
jayntguru
wow
IP
02:29
I P
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nice! we are also very close to another huge difficulty bump up. In 23 blocks mining profits will go down by 60%
Z
03:18
Deleted Account
Anyone know how many GHs to earn 1 veo at current difficulty?
03:21
Deleted Account
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don't think about diff now, in hour it will be 2.5x more
03:22
Deleted Account
Thanks, trying to estimate profitability for a new rig
03:22
Deleted Account
1 veo per day? @Matt?
03:34
Around 250 GH/s right now
03:34
For 1 veo / day
03:36
Deleted Account
Thank you
03:48
Deleted Account
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http://amoveo.noncense.tech has never been down, but we are not getting a lot of attacks either because of our size
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03:49
1v4n
ok thanks
03:49
using zacks for now
MF
04:15
Mr Flintstone
new diff 46584
DS
04:20
Denis Stepannikov
57073
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04:23
Iridescence
Diff is 57073?
MF
04:23
Mr Flintstone
not what I see in explorer.html
04:24
I’m quoting in terms of th per block
Г
04:24
wtf
Z
04:25
Zack
46584 terahashes per block. 2.4x as much as before.
I
04:25
Iridescence
Wow that's crazy
Г
04:27
Группа лиц
TH per Block: 57073 (yes this correct)
Z
04:28
Where are you getting 57073?
IP
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DS
04:30
Denis Stepannikov
asics come..
MF
04:31
Mr Flintstone
haha (yes this is correct) idk about that
04:31
we pre calculated the diff to go up 142%
04:33
and it looks like it did that, so I’m confused
04:33
@Simon3456 runs veopool right?
IP
04:37
I P
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you can't possibly produce asics in such short time. Just big gpu farms, that's it, maybe a couple of fpgas... And when asics will come diff will go 10-100x very fast because asics will be 1000x more efficient than gpus
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04:42
1v4n
damn, after 5 hours of mining with 1080ti rig I got like 0.00018 veo :D
04:42
Deleted Account
Now you need 800GH/s for 1 veo per daY
1
04:43
1v4n
I hope 1 will cost like $1000
04:43
:)
04:43
whats the total supply, or it's not set yet?
04:43
Deleted Account
Should cost like 2000 now 😅
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04:43
1v4n
:D
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MF
04:46
Mr Flintstone
just wait a few days...
Kz
04:50
Kirill zp
кредитные дауны уже и здесь пиздец
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Г
04:57
Группа лиц
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Обьяснили же уже. Кредиты для умных, дауны НЕ берут кредиты))
Z
05:17
Zack
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veopool.pw probably had a different estimate before the adjustment too.
IP
JM
05:24
J M
Hey guys I made a market for the NBA Finals. Game 1 starts in about 4 hours. The market ID is POjbPIzIGg/7QHHdecpTnPZyGd0VGrbHSlZwA0EueMI= and the node explorer is here http://168.62.52.179:8080/explorer.html
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05:24
Sy
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i dont floor the numbers, i take them as floats - should be more accurate
M
05:25
Mike
Looks good Johnny
IP
05:26
I P
Wow man, thats cool
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05:27
[Riki]
Big up johnny
Z
05:52
Zack
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More accurate than what?
Amoveo never uses floats internally.
They way I calculate the number of hashes is the same way I measure difficulty internally.
Amoveo never uses floats internally.
They way I calculate the number of hashes is the same way I measure difficulty internally.
OK
JM
06:07
Deleted Account
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this is awesome! how do i open wallet from amoveobook.com?
MF
JM
06:08
J M
i will make post or something to explain more details. I admit it requires some technical knowledge for now. I will release the wallet to the chrome store soon as well
06:09
for now you have to download the project from github and load the browser extension manually. sorry it's not easier but hopefully will be soon
06:09
Also I can answer qusetions about the wallet or the site in the discord #markets channel
MF
06:10
this is super cool
06:45
Deleted Account
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I loaded the extension, but can't see where i can load wallet?
JM
06:46
J M
There's an import account button if you click the settings button (the three dots)
06:51
Deleted Account
aha - i see it now
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08:09
Zack
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Lets get a few bets into it first so they have something to look at
MF
08:13
Mr Flintstone
fair
08:13
I’m loading it up right now
08:13
so far completely seamless experience
08:14
note that when you load the chrome plugin you need to go to app folder
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JM
09:15
J M
Thanks Flintstone I gotta update the instructions. I'll post the plugin to the Chrome Web store soon as well
G
10:16
This article is in line with Zack's thought on ASICS. Interesting.
https://www.coindesk.com/cryptos-war-miners-might-already/
https://www.coindesk.com/cryptos-war-miners-might-already/
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10:17
Does it safe? Zack
IP
11:37
I P
@Jam_han well, it is open source so anyone can check if it is safe. for what it worth, i went through the JS code quickly and did not find anything malicious
IP
11:41
I P
sorry, same avatar. fixed it
M
12:12
^that’s from months ago
IP
12:16
I P
and it still survives despite all those attacks lol.
M
12:16
Mike
Yeah, Iridescence was making a joke but Amoveo has been fun to watch
DY
13:25
Demi Yilmaz
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Johnny this is awesome. A work well done. Btw it still directs to http://168.62.52.179:8000/
when clicking on "view markets" in the extension.
when clicking on "view markets" in the extension.
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16:18
Harmony is lifer • $ONE 🦄
Cant open discord?
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Harmony is lifer • $ONE 🦄
Okay now thanks
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18:17
Sebsebzen
Ok I have a very basic question about the oracles in Amoveo. I understand the resolution process in Augur and Gnosis, but how does Amoveo reach consensus on a certain result?
18:18
I.e. who won the NBA finals
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18:52
Minieep21
+1
HN
18:53
H N
Rip amoveo mining
Kz
18:54
Kirill zp
for gpu
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18:55
Sebsebzen
is FPGA time yet?
DY
18:55
Demi Yilmaz
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This is a really good question. As far as I've understood & remember the protocol forks when people try to cheat. So the honest nodes will stay at the honest chain. (at least in theory)
IP
18:58
I P
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Not really, just some pussies who complain about diff increase, everything is fine
DY
19:47
Deleted Account
In easy words its something like an ASIC with the difference that you "stream"/load the algorithm in the fpga board
19:48
And they are slower then ASICs. But for prototyping future ASIC Designs they fit perfect
19:49
Because its cheaper in small series and in development
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20:27
Larry
So you all think no FPGAs are mining VEO right?
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20:32
Sy
maybe
20:32
if you already own fpgas you most likely now how to program them so maybe, depends on if some fpga farms have spotted veo yet
20:32
but its just like gpu power, only less watt used
20:32
asics on the other hand you will notice
MF
20:40
have you guys seen this?
HN
20:41
H N
Omg
20:41
Is that for real
MF
20:41
Mr Flintstone
be careful obviously
20:41
anything you deposit you should be comfortable losing
20:42
weird that this hasn’t been flagged in telegram or discord yet
20:42
or if it has I missed it I guess
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Hey guys... Looking to get a 6 and 560 GPU rig to mine amoveo.... Are there any good resources to start with ?
21:02
AMD..
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1 1080ti is like my whole rx580 8gb rig
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Oh... O.k... and any good resources to start with... I am just getting into mining and Amoveo has my attention..
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Thanks Riki..
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21:28
Demi Yilmaz
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It is still new, those numbers are place holders. Hopefully it'll be up and working in a few days.
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Eoa
21:30
Kale backing off mining amoveo
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Kale
a small world
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21:35
H N
Ya bro
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21:43
Mr Flintstone
been waiting a few hours for the email to come thru
21:44
not in spam or whatever
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21:47
Gonzalo
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I've been playing around, it's an amazing work. The browser extension is a kind of "amoveo metamask". The only issue I had is importing a private key.
MF
21:47
Mr Flintstone
what problem did you have importing the private key to Amoveo3?
21:47
it worked ok for me
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21:53
Mr Flintstone
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signed up with a different email address and it came immediately
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22:23
Michael Sparks
limit buys and sells to $2000 and up to correspond with the difficulty 😄
22:23
sarcasm alert
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22:24
Sebsebzen
Would like to know what security measures the owner has in place
22:24
Just making sure not another bitgrail
DY
22:40
Demi Yilmaz
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Our dev is a security expert, also it isn't his first exchange. We've got multi sig cold wallets.
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22:41
Sebsebzen
Nice!
22:44
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Zack any possibility the difficulty decrease? Or it just increase all the time?
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22:44
Zack
The difficulty can decrease, but it has never happened before.
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What circumstances it may decrease?
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no
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the difficulty decreases if the hashrate decreases.
22:51
block period target is 600 seconds. 10 minutes.
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how many blocks between diff changes?
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hi
22:58
who in charge of the pool amveo2
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WTS 100+ VEO pm if interested
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I P
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when do you plan to launch approximately? will orderbook and price-action history be visible? who will provide market making?
01:02
sorry for so many questions at once
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Demi Yilmaz
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Roadmap:
1) Poc - testnet
2) alpha: mainnet, only devs ~1 day
3) private beta1: +10 people. ~2 days
4) private beta2: +10 people. ~2 days
5) public
We're currently at phase 1 & hoping the exchange will be up and running next week.
Orderbook & price-action history will be visible.
I will provide the initial market making.
1) Poc - testnet
2) alpha: mainnet, only devs ~1 day
3) private beta1: +10 people. ~2 days
4) private beta2: +10 people. ~2 days
5) public
We're currently at phase 1 & hoping the exchange will be up and running next week.
Orderbook & price-action history will be visible.
I will provide the initial market making.
IP
02:09
I P
Thank you very much, this seems very promising, looking towards your success
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03:50
Marek
Amoveopool2 tells just 5blocks today instead of 8 what is written on stats veopool why? What about 26093 and 26104 where they orph?
MH
03:51
Mandel Hoff
The 'blocks today' count is more like 'blocks in the last 24 hours except unconfirmed blocks'
M
03:59
Marek
Is there a chance that the pools lower the reward limit due the dificulty grow or 0.1 is the lowest posible ? Think its going to be not profitable to stay on for a small rigs ...hm
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04:00
O K
We will be lowering the threshold, but would like the disappearing transaction issue solved first
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04:00
Luke B
Zack If I lock .34 VEO to create a market, will I get that back when the market expires?
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Marek
Ok ok
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Zack So effectively it costs .34 to create a market? Can that cost come down precipitously?
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05:37
Zack
Yes
Mr Flintstone has been researching this. We came up with a plan.
Mr Flintstone has been researching this. We came up with a plan.
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Also tried "switch account" but no luck
05:46
I can only see new accounts created with the extension
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06:01
J M
is your private key stored in a .txt file?
MF
06:03
Mr Flintstone
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we split oracle liquidity into two variables. one for question and one for governance
06:03
question oracle I believe can be very, very cheap
06:03
like < 0.001 veo cheap
LB
06:04
Luke B
@Jbreezy0 What is the timeline for this? I don't believe we will see new markets until the question market drops. Governance is understandable
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06:04
Mr Flintstone
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I agree that we definitely need cheap oracles to drive adoption
06:05
we need to hard fork the protocol in order for this to happen
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06:05
Gonzalo
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yes... well finally I got it 😳 I did nothing special, just create a few more new keys and then tried again importing and it worked
JM
06:06
J M
hmm that's odd. i'll look over the logic and see if i can figure out why
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06:06
Gonzalo
ok nice, let me restart and try again as well
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06:08
Luke B
@Jbreezy0 So what is the process that needs to happen to lower question fees, I guess im missing something
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06:09
Mr Flintstone
well, we are going to fork the protocol
06:09
this fork will result in a variable for question oracle liquidity
06:09
we will then set this to initially be like 0.001 veo
06:10
then, question oraclesare cheap. if there are any problems, we still have the option to raise this fee via the governance process
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Gonzalo
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I've uninstalled and reinstalled like 6 times, it happened again only 1 time
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06:26
J M
Do you mean it worked one time or failed one time?
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Look at PM
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Jordan
@potat_o are you planning on adding worker name support? I think you would get a lot more miners if you did. I know people that don't mine to your pool because the other pools support worker names. Also if they do use your pool as a back up fail over pool it won't work because they have a worker name added
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Yevgen Fomenko
hello everybody! Is enybody knows where do I put in the private key to check my Amoveo balance?
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Marek
To see balance just insert your public key no private necessary its safe...
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You need a positive account for doing this ? Wonderful...
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Noncense Amoveo Pool has made it much easier for miners to monitor their hashrate with graphs as well as giving good estimates for future payouts (under Estimated Block Reward): http://amoveo.noncense.tech
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Thanks Big Shoots. Worker ID does credit the proper account at this time, so it's fine to use as a failover.
We are on the testing stages for worker ID front end, so it will deploy soon
We are on the testing stages for worker ID front end, so it will deploy soon
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Sumnjivi profili ili selo cijelo
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WTS 90 @ 800usd
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more trading is on discord
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What's the eth price of amoveo?
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Zack
Hard update today. Make sure to update your node before height 28000.
04:20
This will prevent the difficulty from dropping by more than 17% at a time.
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04:59
Zack
Otherwise we could get caught in an oscillating difficulty that could destroy Amoveo.
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Jon Snow
Is there any specific reason to choose 17% as the threshold? I’m just curious
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05:25
Zack
I looked at a few different choices.
one option was to do the average of the current and target difficulties.
Another option was the geometric mean between the current and target difficulties.
one option was to do the average of the current and target difficulties.
Another option was the geometric mean between the current and target difficulties.
05:26
Difficulty almost never decreases, so this is code that will almost never be run.
So I think it is not very important to make it perfect.
1/6th is easy to remember and understand.
So I think it is not very important to make it perfect.
1/6th is easy to remember and understand.
MF
05:27
Mr Flintstone
amoveo does not need fast blocks to operate anyways. we have channels.
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Deleted Account
How could oscillating difficulty destroy Amoveo? Do you mean the price? The integrity of the chain itself (e.g. reorgs?) or usability or something else?
05:40
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I guess to avoid the problem of pigeon, up down up down... But Zack could explain more precisely
Z
05:50
The purpose of pow is to distribute tokens.
06:07
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And why don't do this when diff increases?
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06:14
Greg
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Imagine the devs from Bitcoin saying this. I give you that we’re still a young community so everyone have trust in your technical choices but damn this is rough premature fix.
Z
06:16
Zack
I first wrote about it a month ago.
This is the plan we have had in place since then.
This is the plan we have had in place since then.
MF
06:20
so the trade off is slower blocks
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Juggy
what's the block confirmation required before this pool credits a block? I assume it's no longer 50
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Juggy
This is the avp2 pool channel I thought..
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Juggy
Hmmm.. that's a pretty long time considering the current state of affairs
IP
07:22
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did you warn miner pool owners somehow? i mean they all need to update. i've updated my node
Z
07:24
Zack
I posted in discord anouncements, and on twitter, and in here.
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I P
nice! i hope they all see it
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10:24
I P
guys, pham huong release new miner 2.3 https://github.com/PhamHuong92/VeoMiner/releases it has good improvements especially for amd, please check readme. for amd kv=5 and sk=2 works good, you can run d=all with 2.3 and these settings. my rx580 went from 1.6 to 1.8GH/s. Also 2.3 release autotines b= and n= arguments for best performance, don't put them when using kv=5
10:30
Also there is a lot of whining from miners at discord about profit and etc. right now gtx1070 can get you around 1.7$ (whattomine). with veo at 2.5GHs and 46500000GH per block (veo) you get roughly 0.0046 veo per day which is 2-2.3$ if you count on price 450-500 per veo. so mining veo is more profitable anyways
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10:45
Sy
If you would get a theoreticly calculated max that's true
10:46
Try 0.0032 for real
IP
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I P
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i used 2.5gh but people get 2.7 from 1070 so i lowered by 10% already. therory peak it 0.05 veo per day@1070, if i lower it to 0.04 to make more real- still at least 1.8$ per day which is better than theory peak from whattomine coins...
10:53
@Simon3456 btw, did you update your nodes?
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Sy
for the 28000 hardfork? i can update in a month and would still be in time
11:42
Zack did you set some version variable so we actually kick out old nodes now? its annoying enough that old ones spam false txs all the time
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Did you get any problems using http://amoveo.noncense.tech?
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I P
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i think he wrote that when ap2 was ddosed hard. i have 0 problems with ap2 after they got ddos protection
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I'm new to the Amoveo coin and I'm troubleshouting a miner that constantly closes by itself. I made the BAT file just like shown on GigHub with the difference that I add my wallet and set the devfee to 1%.
15:50
15:50
This is the screen I get.
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set devfee to 2% back and ask the miner dev (pham huong) in discord to help you=))
IP
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I P
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also please use veominer 2.3 and use kv=5 and sk=2, don't put b= and n= arguments
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15:55
Deleted Account
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I just noticed! LOL
I've downloaded the 2.2 like two hours before the update based on the timestamp.
I've downloaded the 2.2 like two hours before the update based on the timestamp.
IP
15:56
I P
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great, follow my advice about parameters and maybe it will work fine
15:59
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So, does this look fine to you?
veominer.exe BM0ZY3IsvQi2tPJcl8GZ4HAq2RBEEUlvOtvxZi4LbH/usnwFKzpMSsp4J/NAQiiRvJYUq2+U9vmx3FPM1bymvYg= p=0 d=all kv=5 sk=2 u=http://amoveopool2.com/work u=http://veopool.pw:8085/work u=http://159.65.120.84:8085
veominer.exe BM0ZY3IsvQi2tPJcl8GZ4HAq2RBEEUlvOtvxZi4LbH/usnwFKzpMSsp4J/NAQiiRvJYUq2+U9vmx3FPM1bymvYg= p=0 d=all kv=5 sk=2 u=http://amoveopool2.com/work u=http://veopool.pw:8085/work u=http://159.65.120.84:8085
IP
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I P
yep, try it
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Deleted Account
Give me a minute!
16:02
Great!!! I see "New work. Share Difficulty: 9250" showing up! Thanks a lot 😉
IP
16:03
I P
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great, have a pleasant experienct mining on ap2 with me and others
16:06
Deleted Account
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It's still an experiment and I have no idea what to expect from it. I'm ussually mining UBQ, KMD and RVN.
IP
16:14
I P
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learn about the project read the github and etc. trust me even if right now it is not the most profitable coin to mine but if you mine and hold it- reward could be very great in future
16:23
Deleted Account
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I understand and that's also why I mined RVN, to hold towards a (hopefully) profitable future.
IP
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I P
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well i'm not so sure about raven, it's in lower league. But rvn def gets credit for huge shills though, rvn tech is neither original nor impressive.
16:28
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Well, the only thing I can do is hold and hope for the best! If it doubles in value, then I'll be pretty happy already.
16:34
I'm looking at a hashrate between 1.05 and 1.4Gh/s on Amoveo on my GPUs, is it a good speed?
16:34
I'm not sure about the temperatures yet.
16:35
Need to take a look at that also
16:36
86c is pretty intensive 😱
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Minieep21
86 is not good, card will burn out quicker
16:38
If you want to retain some value for resale, better keep it around 75c
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I'll be lowering the values and powerlimit, I did once burned a card into flames. The powercaps popped
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Zack
What is a "dampening period"?
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18:45
Zack
2000 seems to work ok
IP
18:46
i do understand that low diff adjustment period is not as secure
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18:53
Zack
And later we will be stuck with 10 minute blocks for months
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I P
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well target blocktime is 10 min thus it is cool if we are stuck with 10 min blocks for months
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Zack
30 minute blocks are cool too.especially when tx volume is so low we aren't filling the blocks.
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With current block rate (50 blocks in 24h) it's gonna take about 36 days for next difficulty change.
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мгимо финишед, что сказать хотел? твоя фраза смысла не имеет на английсом
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а что такое диф чендж?
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о. май. год.
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в программировании вообще-то diff - это чаще difference
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в майнинге diff = это сокращение от difficulty
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I P
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yep, say "thank you" to many big gpu farm chinese guests who came, mined a lot of veo, dumped and left=) and now we are left with lower price and 2.5x difficulty
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That's mining. Business as usual. With difficulty downgrade limit (16%) we'll wait for 2-3 month before VEO will be profitable again.
IP
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What was a per-day profit when Amoveo was launched?
20:43
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sorry, this profit level is not for me. I have about 0.0005 BTC from single 1080ti as usual.
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Hi everyone
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How much does a coin cost?
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Is there a stock exchange
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people trade around 500$ per coin OTC in discord, exchange will be launched soon
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Link discord
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How much does the 1080 gtx
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30% is not sustainable for long term
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it is 20% and it is locked untill some block when Zack will be able to use it in future. After that i think Zack wanted to issue grants to other devs through contracts using these funds. Also dev fee can be changed through governance oracle in future so i would not be worried about that
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i don’t think zack has any plans on giving his money to others. if we want to fund development, the community can use a dominant assurance contract, which zack is free to participate in (or be paid by)
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i would fill the blocks if the f##+!" node would actually broadcast and implement my spends
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Looking good I think
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Topab
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I am trying to register in https://amoveo.exchange/ but I never get the e-mail for confirmation, what can I do?
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Minieep21
Check your spam
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I got it in spam folder
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when there is no block between your pool payouts xD
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Mr Flintstone
Lol. no block for 2 hours, then 2 blocks in 5 minutes
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shoutout to randomness I guess
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oh nvm it wasn’t 5 mins
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9 ^^
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it doesn't send a confirmation email...to spam or otherwise
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nothing
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@FreeMachine I had that issue with an address on outlook, then it worked immediately when used a different email
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i checked it everywhere...and resent it ..nothing
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guys, i see a lot of full nodes got down, i've received this from vultr "Due to an inbound DDOS attack, the IP address associated with your server - * has been null routed. This was necessary to protect our network from the attack, and to minimize the impact to other customers.
Null routes are typically removed within 24 hours. Your server will be inaccessible until this null route has been removed.
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Any other people getting same problems?
Null routes are typically removed within 24 hours. Your server will be inaccessible until this null route has been removed.
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Any other people getting same problems?
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catweed hey man, looks like veoscan is stuck in block stats, shows last block over 10 hours ago but really last block was like an hour ago http://stats.veopool.pw/blocks.php
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Zack look, another pow coin got nicehashed =) https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/06/04/another-cryptocurrency-experiences-51-attack-following-bitcoin-gold-verge/
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thoughts on Casper ffg to mitigate 51% attacks?
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When we use mVeo instead of veo
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never
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I thought we started to discuss it
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For a month now, yes
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how can mine ?
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veominer.exe <your pubkey here> b=128 n=128 p=0 d=all u=http://amoveo.noncense.tech:4001 u=http://veopool.pw:8085/work
Can tweak some parameters depending on your GPU
Can tweak some parameters depending on your GPU
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At Blockchain for Impact at the United Nations with “Blockchain Experts”
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I wish I could have worn an Amoveo T-shirt, as I hear these experts
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Lol maybe later. Lets get the thing up and working first 😁
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lol did you see the amazon links where you can actually buy amoveo shirts?
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Aries
Waa??
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ya dude
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Wish I would of known sooner
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On second thought
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I’m not telling anyone about Amoveo at the UN
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These economists have crazy ideas on what Blockchain is and what it can do.
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Bet on Italy leaving?
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REEEEEEE
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Itexit?
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They are not worthy of Veo
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is the exchange live?
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I P
not yet
5 June 2018
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hi
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02:30
Jon Snow
Hi
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02:34
Zack
I first started talking to Oliver about blockchains a couple years ago. Today he is working on Maxcoin. That guy from the Keiser show made it.
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10:11
Zack
Is any other blockchain able to verify blocks in parallel? I am working on this upgrade for Amoveo now.
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10:15
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wow nice. so it means basically that in future when you setup a full node of amoveo and download and verify a lot of blocks it will be done very fast, right?
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10:15
Zack
yes, it should sync faster
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10:16
I P
i know it is close to impossible to set up a new ethereum node=))) to get it in sync
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i don't understand why miners all move to veopool.pw, other pools work fine
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how use hiveos ?
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launch linux miner and mine, hiveos is just a regular linux with some built ins
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11:18
Zack
My laptop can sync blocks a little more than twice as fast after this update.
It has 2 CPU, so this is a good sign we have parallelized the bottleneck.
Now the txs in each block can be processed at the same time. Including turing complete channel contracts.
It would be cool if we could also parallelize tx processing within each block.
It has 2 CPU, so this is a good sign we have parallelized the bottleneck.
Now the txs in each block can be processed at the same time. Including turing complete channel contracts.
It would be cool if we could also parallelize tx processing within each block.
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11:24
Mr Flintstone
are there any other chains that can do that, that you know of?
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11:25
Zack
I got the tests to pass. Now I am syncing the entire history as a final sanity check
11:25
I think Amoveo is uniquely able to do this.
Since we include all the merkle proofs for all the data you need to verify a block, we can verify blocks in parallel without touching the hard drive.
Since we include all the merkle proofs for all the data you need to verify a block, we can verify blocks in parallel without touching the hard drive.
11:28
It is a trade off. This means that blocks are almost 4x bigger, but we can verify them much faster and in parallel.
In the long run it is expected that downloading blocks will be the bottle neck.
But today in 2018 it seems like verifying blocks in CPU is still the bottleneck, or maybe the hard drive is the bottleneck.
In the long run it is expected that downloading blocks will be the bottle neck.
But today in 2018 it seems like verifying blocks in CPU is still the bottleneck, or maybe the hard drive is the bottleneck.
IP
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Zack
Amoveo has good light clients, so most users don't have to download the heavy blocks.
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Can we have better UI?
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Mr Flintstone
have you used the chrome plugin
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Deleted Account
I will check it tonight
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12:08
Zack
It looks like the new version of the software is losing it's advantage as the blocks get bigger.
I think I am copying too much data between gen servers while processing blocks now.
I guess I need to redesign this new code before pushing it to master branch.
I think I am copying too much data between gen servers while processing blocks now.
I guess I need to redesign this new code before pushing it to master branch.
12:16
It looks like the new version is averaging about 30% faster on my computer, and it is never slower, so I updated the master branch on github.
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Ben
Zack on the point about verifying the blocks in CPU, Solana recently implemented parallel gpu core signature verification of their blocks. You may want to take a look, as that could be a useful tool as most home computers have a GPU capable of doing the same, assuming you want to further optimize block verification
14:28
So they can verify signatures at 870 thousand signatures per second
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Wow 70% is kind of crazy in one pool. Might be that people like the design of the web site
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The Ancients
cause u can set workers on the pool
15:00
ppl with multiple rigs can see which rigs are up or down.. u can't with other pools
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I think we need to understand what priorities are right now
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Sy
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i guess thats mostly it...and we dont crash our db and loose shares xD
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@demiculus I can't get the message to confirm subscription to the https://amoveo.exchange site, what to do? what is working for others? I have tried gmail and yahoo mails and none can get it
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Demi Yilmaz
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Click on send the email again, gmail spam folder works for everyone.
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Topab
Just tried in both several times, no gmail or yahoo account works, even asking to resend it again
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Can't find it in junk folder neither
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Deleted Account
I reported as "not spam" in Google and works
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16:45
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well amoveopool2 does not crash database and does not loose shares but it lacks worker implementation. i think this is the main reason why people with big number of rigs don't mine there. i have 3 rigs so i don't really need workers and i mine on ap2
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Sy
ap2 is running fine lately, they reduced the blocks you need to get credited aswell
16:49
they were no 1 with ~80% for a reason :)
16:50
right now imho pool distribution doesnt really matter, numbers are kinda shitty anyway, just keep mining whereever you are and produce those blocks so we get through this...
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Bubba Neunzig
and we'll get -17% diff decrease?
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well of course if massive hashrate joins before that we may be dont have decrease, but i pretty much doubt that
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17:11
Minieep21
Unless AE paid china pools to do it 😳
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I P
no AE has nothing to do with it
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some chinese big miner shilled to his friends and that crazy hashrate started
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Minieep21
Makes sense of course
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Just saying, any competitor with cash to burn through can damage Amoveo in that way
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any competitor with big cash can try to get any chain rekt, i'm not sure this was the case and i'm not sure we got rekt. price down a bit, true, hahsrate down quite a bit- also true, but all is fine otherwise
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Minieep21
Yup, just need to spread awareness. People who like the project will mine in any case.
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I P
Anybody here knows a way to approach any medium or big youtube mining channel? I mean very little miner community actually knows about veo and how to mine it, expanding project outreach would be cool. Also if anyone know how to approach blockchain media/youtube - it would be also cool if they could host and interview with Zack about veo
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hi
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amoveo.exchange is safe?
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Mr Flintstone
they aren’t live yet
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Iridescence
What does the bot do?
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Zack
I didn't make this bot. I don't know why it is here.
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it thanks for opting in
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🙌
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Zack
I did not make that website. I don't know who is running it. Use it at your own risk.
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I have not seen any source code.
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Oh wow. Thanks
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Luke B
@Jbreezy0 Is there anything I can do to help lower the cost of creating an oracle? Am trying to create tests and do not want to spend so much money.
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01:10
Mandel Hoff
How's the smart money over at amoveobook.com going? Cavs are down 0-2. If green is 'yes', then it looks like there's money on the table.
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Brian Brian
I don’t understand do those odds give lebron a 40% chance of winning the ship? That’s a lotttttt lower than Vegas
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Mr Flintstone
nobody is gonna take my ridiculous bet that cavs have a 40% chance of winning the finals?
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it’s bet 0.015 veo to win 0.01
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J M
there's even an arbitrage opportunity i left as an Easter egg
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I might take your bet Flinstone if no one else does
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Mandel Hoff
Yes, I'm amazed there's so little action and unmatched bets for the Cavs with them down 0-2. The site looks really great.
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Mr Flintstone
I don’t think enough people know about amoveobook
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J M
It's still kind of a pain to do since you have to side load the wallet extension
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Mr Flintstone
true, how hard is it to get on chrome store?
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or whatever it is called
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I'll put that in the Chrome web store soon
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maybe even tonight
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What's otc price right now?
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Minieep21
Somewhere between $350-500 I'd say
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my Problem with amoveobook is it's not human readble
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i tried yesterday to bet but i gave up
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sure
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Anyone saw this?
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Zack ?
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Zack
We have a good design. As time goes on, more projects will start adapting features of amoveo.
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Aizen Sou
we have to find a way to survive next attack from Chinese miners first, Zack
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right now Amoveo network is secured by loyal miners, who are commited to Amoveo. But you can't rely on them all the time and probably with the next attack you can't even move the blockchain anymore because: 1) loyal miners don't have enough power anymore 2) many left because of mistreated
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it's 2018 and the current difficulty raping method didn't happen since 2014. Mining is evolved and u can't rely on old methods anymore, esp. when u started new.
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the timestamp attack from Verge is exceptional, due to the incompentence of their dev. If he is good enough to use better difficulty retarget algorithm, it shouldn't happen
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e.g. at Zcoin we are using BRNDF which retargets every 6 blocks and we were fine with mining since 2 years
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Sebsebzen
Boris’ ridiculously named difficulty function...
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Aizen Sou
u just need to port some of these algorithm from C++ to Erlang, then Amoveo is safe against such attack again, Zack
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Sebsebzen
Link the GitHub, Aizen
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Aizen Sou
Safeness was proven with the time. Many blockchains are running these state-of-the-art difficulty retarget algorithms for years.
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Zack
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/zack-retargeting
I invented an exponential retargeting system in 2014 for my project called "basic coin".
It is able to adjust to changes in hashrate within 10 blocks.
I learned a lot by building and attacking mechanisms like this.
I invented an exponential retargeting system in 2014 for my project called "basic coin".
It is able to adjust to changes in hashrate within 10 blocks.
I learned a lot by building and attacking mechanisms like this.
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Aizen Sou
and u don't have it for Amoveo ?
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Zack
Slow blocks aren't an issue for Amoveo. It is more important that we are secure against timestamp adjustment attacks.
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Aizen Sou
in theory the timestamp attacks sound scary
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but it's really profitable to perform against coins with very quick block time, like Verge
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and good difficulty retarget algorithms are able to withstand it
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define slow blocks? it's okay for having slow blocks for a few days, 1 week, but it's definitely not okay to have slow blocks for months
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Amoveo will have ASICs, i'm pretty confident about it
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but not at current performance
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Zack
I talk about the slow blocks here.
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/progress_reports/June_2018_summary.md
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/progress_reports/June_2018_summary.md
AI
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Aizen Sou
at least 30 days more to block 26900. I think network might drop to 10 blocks/day very soon. Many are mining at loss now and some can't keep up anymore soon. It will make 60 days or even longer. Do u think it's okay ?
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Zack
Mining at a loss is bad. They should not do that.
60 days of slow blocks wouldn't be a problem.
60 days of slow blocks wouldn't be a problem.
19:42
If blocks get slow enough, then transactions would build up. So tx fees would get higher.
The tx fees mean a bigger reward for mining.
So if the blocks get slow enough, then mining would become profitable again.
The tx fees mean a bigger reward for mining.
So if the blocks get slow enough, then mining would become profitable again.
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But if the fees will be that big, will people still make transactions?
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19:44
Zack
Some people pay 0.5 veo for me to escrow their txs.
A block can fit 650 normal txs, or about 900 if you use a multi output tx.
A block can fit 650 normal txs, or about 900 if you use a multi output tx.
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Al
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Zack, people pay for Escrow on big amounts, will they double pay for Escrow + tx? This can go from 60 days to 180 and elsewhere..
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Sy
Plus txs wont pile up...they just drop xD
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Zack
I am writing a tool to automate the escrow process, so I can lower the fee
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I am running tests to identify how txs are being dropped.
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Aizen Sou
So 2 hours block isn't a problem u mean ?
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19:58
Zack
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Aizen You can read about my thoughts on slow blocks in this link
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Aizen Sou
I read it but i don't agree with them
20:01
Too slow blocks is definitely a problem for users like me
20:01
Like waiting for 2 hours or more to send something
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I P
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Zack, currently the situation is like this, 1xgtx1070 card gets me 0.004 veo per day, whattomine gives 1.5$ per day on etc/eth. this is all not counting electricity. Thus, if price is better than 380$ per veo i get the same or better profit then mining eth. Well noone really mines eth except for big farms or lazy people, not hard to find a coin which gets you 2$ per 1070 per day. Veo would need to cost 500+$ to compete. So, if all is not bad, why not more people mine veo? 1st of all, it is not that simple for an average miner to start to do it. Don't overestimate miners, 50+% of hashpower are dumb as fck. 2nd, you need to wait a lot to get a payout. 3rd, hard to buy/sell veo. 4th, those 0.04 are ideal conditions, i think in practise i get less, @Simon3456 made calculations on that. Aizen i understand your concerns. I also understand Zack . I don't know what's a best way to act in ths situation for all of us. So i do what i can to support network- i mine with all my hashpower regardless of profits.
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I do also understand that we need to solve not the current situation with slow blocks but the whole thing when big chinese farms switch on, mine a lot of veo, diff to the moon, they dump veo so price goes down and 'loyal' miners get punished because price is lower and diff is much higher. Also i agree 100% with Zack that we should not overpay miners, we need to pay them just enough to support the network and not to get crazy profits
21:05
so maybe some kind of more advanced diff retargetting algorithm could help. At least it is worth checking what Aizen proposed as such an algorithm. Of course that algo needs to be strong to not tolerate timestamp attacks and such
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21:22
Mr Flintstone
Zack said that he spent a lot of time building and attacking different kinds of retargeting algos morning
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I P
Fun part is a youtube video on how to mine amoveo and why do it (5 minute talk about future and tech) would give us many more miners even at current difficulty and prices. The only thing is that video should be either done by a popular youtube mining channel or done by anyone in our community and just promoted. So i just ask if anyone could do it, if anyone knows people who could do it. I do understand that learning how ot mine veo is not hard but average miners are lazy and dumb and they need a freaking video to explain how to do it
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also i know that jackson palmer (creator of dogecoin) is actually is quite a nice dude and has a big youtube channel which he uses to review different crypto technology. I think he would be genuinely interested to take a look at amoveo and tell people about it. i say that because he trully likes a cool new tech in crypto. So if anyone has a reliable way to contact him- please do, i tried to contact through youtube and twitter and was not successful
DY
21:40
Demi Yilmaz
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Awesome, we definitely need to get a marketing channel on discord and discuss strategies & what we can do. Zack care to create such a channel?
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21:41
I P
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well not a 'team' like in an enterprise, but maybe there are community members who know people with twitter following or youtube following so we could tell more people about why and how to mine amoveo. Clearly, people would not be mining at a loss right now. Not great profit- sure, but not at a loss. Hell at least any guy who could make a video and we could simply like/repost it in social media, that is not hard at all
DY
21:41
Demi Yilmaz
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True we can like/repost but should we be marketing to miners? Or to people who will buy and pump the price?
21:42
I believe a decent website, a few infographics, a youtube video and us sharing them around will make this coin profitable to mine again.
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21:45
Mr Flintstone
I think otc bid is going to go up too soon, which will help mining profitability
21:46
also, having an exchange will give veo a liquidity premium, which will help too
21:46
that isn’t to say a YouTube video about mining is a bad idea
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21:46
I P
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true. Well, github is not that bad as a website, but some simple and flashy infographics+youtube video would be enough. 3 minutes on what is veo and why it is better than many other stuff out there+3minutes on who to use veo with light wallet for txns, channels and bets+3minutes on how to mine veo. People nowadays are used to everything being brought up right to their face, they don't like to search, read, try and fail
MF
21:46
Mr Flintstone
cuz I agree, it’s honestly crazy some of the things that some miners don’t know
21:46
like the basics
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21:48
I P
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miners nowadays know shit. they know that people ought to pay them and thats kind of limit of their knowledge. i'm not talking about people who are crypto enthusiasts AND miners.
DY
21:48
Demi Yilmaz
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I used to agree with you on github but after talking to some non developers I realized every single one of them get turned off instantly when they see github interface.
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I P
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ok, that is a good point. I may be ok with github because i'm also ok with linux or msdos command line or even fortran goto
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Sy
it feels like most of the miners start on eth with little to none knowledge and are vastly overwhelmed when it comes to anything that doesnt run out of the box ^^
21:52
plus windows 😝
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22:02
Minieep21
Ok we need someone to tweet to Jackson Palmer so we can all retweet and grab his attention
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I P
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most of miners don't know what a blockchain is and how mining actually works and why it is needed in the first place. This is so fcking bad i have no words but it is TRUE
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Ben
and Zack you should think about Distributing Dutys, start with Community Manager for the Discord who can Moderate and Structer that. You should have by now enought Trust in some People here like @Simon3456 or @potat_o
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Evans Pan
please make a team for veo.
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Even Cristiano Ronaldo cant win any game if he plays alone.
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Sy
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true, questions about why do we get less veo now (diff adjust) are frequent 😝
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@icekale question to you. Why are you DDOSing other pools ? Did you DDOSed any veo pools also ?
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Kale
i never ddos
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please see the transitlation
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I P
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why do you think he ddoses other pools? also there is no incentive to do so right now in any way
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you can read in this channel. https://discord.gg/xQskR9.
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Sy
and the proof is where?
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Deleted Account
that's a long story. Those pool owners accused @icekale with proofs. If they were wrong - I can apologize
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Kale
u can look the translate
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What kale
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I thought you are good guy
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thank u dude
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why ddos pools kale?
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Kale
don't worry
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26280 06.06.18 19:03:34 amoveo.noncense.tech congrats! that small pool actually found a block, nice!
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Haha wow, I thought the day would never come :) should see some payouts soon
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website I already have someone work on
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https://medium.com/obelisk-blog/introducing-obelisk-launchpad-b78756eaa74c
Is this something for Amoveo?
"The entry cost of an Obelisk Launchpad engagement is about $10 million. This gets you a unique proof of work algorithm, an open source ASIC design for that algorithm, and a full first batch of 22nm machines that can be distributed to the community"
Is this something for Amoveo?
"The entry cost of an Obelisk Launchpad engagement is about $10 million. This gets you a unique proof of work algorithm, an open source ASIC design for that algorithm, and a full first batch of 22nm machines that can be distributed to the community"
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Deleted Account
Finally some big rewards paid out to our trusty miners at http://amoveo.noncense.tech, but always looking for more!
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Deleted Account
How much is veo worth nowadays?
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Deleted Account
How about a Tesla? Is there a separate chat for trading?
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Zack
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Can I get this lambo with a VEO?
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Jon Snow
This is the coolest lambo I have ever seen!
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Aries
Yes it is real
09:03
They made tractors before high end cars
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09:05
Zack
https://www.mascus.co.uk/agriculture/used-tractors/lamborghini-774-80/yfspshyl.html
Here is one for 17.6 VEO.
Here is one for 17.6 VEO.
09:05
It will probably be at least 3 months until 1 VEO = 1 lambo
09:07
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https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo
people trade on discord. the link to discord is on the github.
people trade on discord. the link to discord is on the github.
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Deleted Account
But seriously how much is veo worth if I wanted to trade it
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Zack
Around $400 - $500
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🤣😂😂 wish I had a back yard in Manhattan big enough. I would so buy one
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Larry
looks like you win Jack
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looks like we are stable with blocks , yesterday i checked it was 20 per day, now 27
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I P
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nice, do you have them on youtube or instagram? if on youtube, can you make a video on how to mine veo so that even an eth mining monkey would understand?😂😂
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Sebsebzen
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He's finishing some other tasks first. Maybe 2 weeks. Meanwhile, I'll collate the GitHub texts into a nice summary + list all third party project like yours.
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@Simon3456 very good work with updated stats page on blocks! http://explorer.veopool.pw looks much better than what was before, thank you!
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Sy
thanks :) i still like the blocks colored by finder tho
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damn css overwrites it ^^
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With days of delay I got someof the "Forgot password" reset and the "Didn't receive confirmation instructions?" to my e-mail. It does not matter wht I try to do (confirm account, log in, reset password) all takes me to this screen
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can someone tell me what to do to register and login in amoveo.exchange/?
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Ok
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Larry
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Only on twitter :(
I would be open to making a video though and sharing on twitter. But first I need a GPU rig 😬
I would be open to making a video though and sharing on twitter. But first I need a GPU rig 😬
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os so we need another member to make a video so you could share it
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Larry
Well I do intend to start mining VEO! But if the intention is to do this immediately, then yea someone else could make it
19:24
What’s the goal of this exactly? We want more miners?
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yep more people, mining veo is profitable but a bit harder than eth
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http://explorer.veopool.pw right now we have 34 blocks per 24 hours when we should have 144. 34 blocks is fine in terms of network but would be cool to get it back to 70-100
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Larry
So network hashrate has dropped considerably of late? Admittedly I pushed VEO to backburner once hashrate and difficulty was ramping hard and everyone was talking about Chinese miners DDoSing and whatnot
19:52
We’re in like “save VEO network” mode now to attract mining?
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Sy
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yeah something like that, keep blocks and transactions going while the price is climbing again
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What do you mean "profitable" ? Profit > electric bills ?
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profitable means close to what you get on whattomine usually it is eth
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i made calculations and posted yesterday here, veo profit from gtx1070 is a bit higher than eth
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wtm is level 1 for newbie miners. Others are looking for more profitable coins, which can give you at least 1.5-2.5x of etherium mining.
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of course eth is easier to start mining and more liquid
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Who's talking about mine ? Nethash dropped from 120 TH to 20 TH. You think it was only me ? )
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most of miners mine coins of whattomine, the goal is to maker veo mining more popular because profit is actually even a bit better than eth. if 5mln videocard have no problem mining eth why not 20 000 of them join us on veo. the answer is they don't know about veo, that's it
20:23
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put VEO on Whattomine, it will show how it's profittable and you'll attract more miner. Done.
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20:24
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we both know you need an exchange which api is supported by whattomine, so i ask again to not play a smart ass
20:27
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You just can't understand. Advanced miners are greedy. And unless you make a miner with one button "start mining", you won't attract newbie miners. Good luck to you, smarty pants
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20:28
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i give 0 fucks about advanced miners and their greed. I'm glad they left
20:28
youtube video on how to mine veo with detailed instruction will be more than enough to attract mainstream miners
20:29
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So what are you waiting for ? Go make a video instructions and all problems will be solved. If it's so easy.
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20:31
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i'm not waiting, i'm suggesting and trying to find people within the community who are able to do a quality video and market it or just make a video or just market it. It is easy if you already work with youtube and have a following.
20:32
so right now we know that @TechnicallyCrypto is able to help with making video and reposting it in social media but right now he does not have an access to a mining rig
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20:45
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TBT to the good old days when I could solo mine blocks with my CPU
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21:01
Mr Flintstone
seems like years ago now