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14 May 2018
MF
19:19
Mr Flintstone
it could take 2 years to get there
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S
19:29
Sy
๐๐
19:38
Deleted Account
๐ก๐ก๐ก๐ก๐ก
19:39
To the guy who is ddosing... . Idiot ๐
Z
19:50
Zack
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Thank you for sharing this. Very interesting.
Makes me think that I shouldn't bother trying to make an asic myself.
Makes me think that I shouldn't bother trying to make an asic myself.
AS
19:51
Aizen Sou
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Indeed, Zack. Focus on making ur coin the best one. Other will follow. Miners and ASICs manufacturers will come
Z
19:52
Zack
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Don't use keys:load.
Where did you read about that? I should delete it.
It seems crazy that installing the pool would make your full node crash.
The pool only touches the Api. It doesn't do anything that would make the full node crash.
Where did you read about that? I should delete it.
It seems crazy that installing the pool would make your full node crash.
The pool only touches the Api. It doesn't do anything that would make the full node crash.
19:56
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They only attack ap2. I think it might be an altruistic attack to spread the hashrate out. So ap2 won't have >50%.
Z
19:58
Zack
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I think that if OK is spending $20 a month on his servers, then it would cost about $20 a month to ddos them.
These attacks tend to be 1:1 with defense.
These attacks tend to be 1:1 with defense.
20:01
Deleted Account
Thanks, yeah just getting "Get Work Exception"
OK
20:02
O K
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Maybe they are attacking Zack's pool too. It's probably an altruistic attack, because they realize that Zack's time would be better spent not running a mining pool at a loss.
Z
20:08
someone is finding shares in my pool
20:08
I think that I have not been attacked.
20:09
Deleted Account
Looks like the iP changed since last time I used it?
Z
20:10
Zack
no. This is the pool I have been running for months.
20:10
Deleted Account
Tried with the new IP, getting 500 error
Z
20:10
Zack
did you open the url in your browser and read the example?
20:11
Deleted Account
Did now lol
20:12
There we, go, thanks!
Z
20:13
Zack
great
20:14
Maybe AP2 is not under attack, rather it is because there are too many people running miners at once and the server can't keep up with all that traffic.
AP2 is designed to give the same number of shares per minute to each miner no matter how little hash power they have.
Maybe if OK tried running my open source mining pool software, the attack would stop.
AP2 is designed to give the same number of shares per minute to each miner no matter how little hash power they have.
Maybe if OK tried running my open source mining pool software, the attack would stop.
OK
20:15
We have records of all the IPs and network traffic.
Z
20:20
Zack
Can you share any details about the attack?
Is it from a single IP, a handful of IP, or from many many different IP?
Is it from a single IP, a handful of IP, or from many many different IP?
20:20
Which part of the API are they contacting?
Maybe you can hide your full node from the public, and only expose the mining pool api?
Maybe you can hide your full node from the public, and only expose the mining pool api?
OK
20:20
O K
many many different IPs, I will share all the details when it's successfully handled
20:21
Or in PM with trusted parties
20:21
Deleted Account
Other pool holders != trusted ๐
K
20:34
Kale
ap2 down again
DS
20:48
Denis Stepannikov
Hello, Is there an approximate time frame for the restoration of operability http://amoveopool2.com/?
ES
IP
ES
20:52
Ed Sonic
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21:04
Deleted Account
Now he needs a flight Ticket
21:08
Was able to get to site
OK
21:08
O K
Yes for the time being
21:08
Deleted Account
So you expect it to go back down?
OK
21:13
O K
I expect that it could, I would like that it won't, and I'm going to be working on this issue all day
21:13
I am the operator
21:13
Deleted Account
abe are u the ddoser?
21:13
Deleted Account
no
21:14
Deleted Account
Pool not online for me :(
21:14
Deleted Account
The GUI of amoveopool2 is user-friendly
OK
21:16
O K
Thanks abe
J
21:17
Jackie
The mobile version is still offline tho
21:17
Frontend
21:18
great jobs
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OK
21:20
O K
Back down it seems
J
21:21
Jackie
And its down again
21:21
523 error
Z
21:22
Zack
If I make a tool for donating to the anonymous person attacking AP2, how many people would donate?
He is helping to protect us from 51% attack vulnerabilities.
He is helping to protect us from 51% attack vulnerabilities.
S
21:22
Sy
๐ and there it is
Z
21:23
Zack
This would give OK a face-saving way to reduce the 51% vulnerability too. Since he can get paid to turn his pool off temporarily, to help his hashrate decrease.
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OK
21:24
O K
My face is fine
Z
21:25
Zack
We just need a way for the attacker to write the time he will attack, along with his pubkey, on the blockchain.
S
21:31
Sy
its done
21:31
S
21:39
the older one is more tricky
21:40
Deleted Account
๐๐
S
21:41
Sy
ap2 just found a block :)
AS
21:42
Aizen Sou
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Sticker
Not included, change data exporting settings to download.
๐, 44.4 KB
J
JS
21:48
J. Stone
couldn't AP2 just make a secondary pool and forward half of the users to that one?
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21:58
Deleted Account
Since they would also operate the seconday pool they could use the combined hashrate to 51% attack the network
S
22:05
Sy
yep...doesnt really change anything
Z
x
22:14
xyz
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Why don't you create a tool for donating to improve your pool? I think good service, easy to use UI, statistics and low fees attract more people in the long term than trying to atack a pool in the short term
MF
22:17
Mr Flintstone
what was the link to the cavaliers championship bet market?
22:17
down to make some bets on that
22:26
Deleted Account
what mean about veominer PlatformId?
22:27
22:35
nvidia cuda
J
22:46
Jordan
@potat_o any idea why when using veocl miner I was able to use amoveopool2.com:80/work before and now it's not working? The miner errors out with segmentation fault. @sy suggested I ask you.
22:46
Deleted Account
PlatformID is the ID of the Graphic Cards which are used
OK
22:46
O K
Segmentation fault?
22:46
Deleted Account
If u have onboard. U have 2 Plattform ids
OK
22:47
O K
That's a common problem, sounds like WV knows what's up
22:47
Deleted Account
any idea why some of my vegas don't have as high hashrate ?
OK
22:49
O K
Why some?
22:49
What miner?
J
22:56
Jordan
@potat_o in referring to veocl miner from veopool.pw I was using it fine to mine on amoveopool2 before and now it's erroring without changing anything in the miner. It started happening after the attack on pool yesterday
22:56
I'm*
22:57
I think I'm just going to stick with veominer all these other miners are reporting higher hashrate, but the pool is calculating a lower hashrate.
OK
22:57
O K
Pm me please when you can
S
23:01
dunno why but that worked for me earlier
23:03
ah i think because its asking on the default port, so it becomes amoveopool:8085
23:03
but that might bypass the share counter xD
Z
23:05
Zack
catweed
Your page of top holders has some errors.
The developer reward account has a different amount of VEO than you display. off by about 15%.
Your page of top holders has some errors.
The developer reward account has a different amount of VEO than you display. off by about 15%.
MF
23:29
I guess the owner of this node changed the code?
S
23:29
Sy
yep
MF
23:29
Mr Flintstone
unfortunately there is no way to bet using this site lmao ๐
23:30
unless that is mobile messing something up
Z
23:33
Zack
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Probably you need to use the wallet on the same node for betting.
Be very careful. Only put money into the wallet that you will use for betting. No extra.
Be very careful. Only put money into the wallet that you will use for betting. No extra.
OK
23:33
O K
The wallet on the node only has sign tx
Z
23:33
Zack
We don't have cold storage for channels yet
OK
23:33
O K
๐คทโโ๏ธ
MF
23:37
Mr Flintstone
yeah, secure tx signing for channels is important for this.
23:39
shouldnโt there be a way to route a signed tx to their lightning node through zackโs?
Z
23:46
Zack
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Yes, but if we were going to do that, we would probably be better off just running the market on my node.
15 May 2018
LB
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MF
00:44
Mr Flintstone
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it seems likely that question oracles at least can have zero initial cost
00:44
M
01:28
Mike
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Thereโs so much obvious potential in Amoveo that Iโd easily wager there will be an ASIC or a โsecretโ ASIC within a year. If someone paid you in secret to help them develop, you would right?
MF
01:44
Mr Flintstone
or being developed already
01:44
that was literally the first thing I thought of when I was reading that article yesterday lol
01:44
dude said even the relatively small coins have ASICs
S
01:54
Sy
well amoveo is doing around 200 coins per day
01:54
if you get 50% thats 35k per day
01:54
thats a month to roi
01:54
at current price, you will also push up diff by 50%
01:54
so price will probably go up
01:55
if you got the money...sure
01:56
the time factor is more uncertain tho
01:56
if you start now...where will veo be in a year? still exist? different algo?
MF
01:56
Mr Flintstone
nah... you can mine without raising diff :)
01:56
between 0 and 500 and 1500 and 2000
01:57
we need to be aware of this type of attack
S
01:57
Sy
probably way more if crypto takes off again
MF
01:57
Mr Flintstone
but ya u r right there would be crazy risks to asic r&d right now for amoveo
Z
01:57
Zack
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I think even if Amoveo disappeared, the ASICS could still be very profitable.
We choose a nice algorithm. If the ASICS aren't being used for Amoveo, someone would launch a new blockchain that uses them.
We choose a nice algorithm. If the ASICS aren't being used for Amoveo, someone would launch a new blockchain that uses them.
MF
02:02
Mr Flintstone
that is an interesting point
02:02
like, it seems desirable to have this kind of PoW
02:03
I wonder why we havenโt heard of any coins using it or something similar? Or maybe I just havenโt
EP
02:17
Evans Pan
Hi is amoveopool2 safe and stable to mine now
Z
M
03:02
Mike
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Not just that, weโve already had examples of someone risking a lot of money to mine. That German miner from the beginning.
MF
03:28
Mr Flintstone
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I mean similarity in that the idea is to make the PoW function simple enough to where money into R&D is less profitable
03:28
fewer corners to cut / efficiencies to find etc
03:28
ASICs werenโt around when double sha256 was chosen for btc
Z
03:55
Zack
I want to make an estimate of how many watts of electricity amoveo consumes.
What is typical electricity consumption per gigahash for you guys?
What is typical electricity consumption per gigahash for you guys?
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IP
04:07
but this is just by card monitoring, i think it is safe to say that real consumption is 1.5x that
Z
04:07
Zack
I got info from discord. Looks like amoveo makes as much heat as 1200 candles.
04:08
We could boil a liter of water completely to vapor every 20 seconds.
EP
04:43
Evans Pan
04:43
I would like to raise fund from the community to buy a ticket for Zack as speaker next year
M
04:45
Minieep21
Does Zack want to speak?
EP
04:48
Evans Pan
anyone want to speak for Veo can be "Zack"๐
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S
05:56
Zack runs amoveo
05:59
amoveo.io is website
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Z
07:10
Zack
There are rumors that "Zack" is just a pseudonym for a team of programmers.
MF
07:11
Mr Flintstone
somehow, they all have the exact same writing style and temperament
OK
07:12
O K
Maybe it's from spending so much time together in an underground bunker
T
07:21
Topab
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There are other oracles like Chain Link and Zap. Would be nice to include them there
MF
07:24
Mr Flintstone
is chain link an oracle?
07:24
I thought they just did federated api attachment or something
Z
08:18
Zack
http://159.89.106.253:8080/wallet.html
I added encrypted messages to this wallet.
Send me your pubkey if you want to receive an encrypted message.
I added encrypted messages to this wallet.
Send me your pubkey if you want to receive an encrypted message.
JT
08:18
John T.
anyone has got any idea how much is one coin right now , estiamted
Z
08:19
Zack
I would guess around $300. hard to tell.
S
08:20
Sebsebzen
@zack I heard he might be a she
Z
08:20
Zack
BCjdlkTKyFh7BBx4grLUGFJCedmzo4e0XT1KJtbSwq5vCJHrPltHATB+maZ+Pncjnfvt9CsCcI9Rn1vO+fPLIV4=
or you can send an encrypted message here, and I can test out decrypting it
or you can send an encrypted message here, and I can test out decrypting it
OK
08:21
O K
That's cool Zack
Z
08:25
Zack
you have to post it here.
08:25
I wasn't clear before
08:25
it is only encrypting. Not pushing messages to other users.
OK
08:25
O K
["emsg","QkM5TjFBOG1BMVMxQmxrcWY1bG9BTDRkTzlWajgyZ1dUM3F0UjJCbXF0Y0xHQzhTeUpaSzlNZVdud3pxYlQyUE85RTh4TlNSMDZiTFNKWForYkUxblZNPQ==","VnJleXNGTTF5bmtWZytNcUFldTIyajdxU1Z6Zk1PS1JZaVpmdTkzU0V4T1dlcnE0eUF6ck9GRktBMzh0L2lCcmFML2tVVit6NXliNmtzb0tYTEZHUjh0NUNqME15UVJoZG1HTWlJbFZCTUR5MXYrWVZOa1BvSUQvNTJnL1RxWGQ0czY1TENhNEozMnJWL2RTWTlPMWYrRHFkaXRQVTNOaUUxLzJGcUFwcGNydDFUL0JPc0l3UHZnd0F2SDBUeHZxYmlGSTdUcFpJUlBNTkYwOWFodEY1eHdRcURBUUFQMERSTFA0STYrNU1NVk9sL043eTlhSDZ6UG54a0hyQlFhV3JqTk1yYTFMblVxeVB4dDZ0cENpSTMvemhJcFlOWW45bDBRdTZTOSsvMHZZZXV2ZzdEbndGZjkxRmJDV1RaMkVBUjhUM05idmhnPT0="]
08:25
Still cool
08:25
ez pgp
Z
08:26
Zack
send veo reward
OK
08:26
O K
no u
Z
08:26
Zack
It is connected to your address. The same private key that is used to spend funds is the key to decrypt the message.
S
OK
08:30
O K
big if true
Z
08:34
Zack
you don't need any veo to participate in encrypted messaging, but you still get all the security of using tools that protect the Amoveo network.
If it is possible to intercept and decode a message encrypted this way, then that means it is possible to steal any veo sent by the Amoveo lightning network.
So you have a financial guarantee that the encryption works.
If it is possible to intercept and decode a message encrypted this way, then that means it is possible to steal any veo sent by the Amoveo lightning network.
So you have a financial guarantee that the encryption works.
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08:44
Deleted Account
how to buy or mine the coins?
OK
MF
09:04
Mr Flintstone
nice catch
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HN
10:17
H N
sooooo
10:17
how much you can get for a ti ?
10:17
a day
K
11:58
Deleted Account
has amoveopool2 anything wrong ? i have mine a little last 40 hours
12:34
Deleted Account
Holy poop supreme court strikes down sports gambling prohibition
12:35
Amoveo move in?
13:26
Deleted Account
Anyone know of any issues with the miner? Keeps shutting off after a few minutes. Idk if itโs just unstable, any settings I can tweak to make it more stable?
S
13:30
Sy
There is more than one so...you gotta be more specific than that
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IP
15:07
because i mean clearly no TA can forecast it=) only gambling
15:13
Deleted Account
Hey - anyone know why Amoveopool2 hash would be so much lower than on the miner - have 8 tesla v100s at 6.3 gh/s each on miner
15:14
but only showing 20 gh/s at pool
S
15:18
Sy
gz thats a 10k+ card that does 20% more than a 1080ti
HN
15:18
H N
how many you can get a day ?
15:19
for a ti ?
15:19
and where can i get the wallet
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18:01
[Riki]
close to 5gh/s for 1080ti
IP
S
18:11
Sy
5 gh are 0.06 veo per day
M
HN
IP
HN
18:50
Anybody successful selling it?
S
18:53
Sy
join discord
18:54
and yes, ppl are selling
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IP
19:01
I P
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comes to TG group..how to make wallet... whats hashrate...how many a day...how can i sell ๐๐๐
HN
19:06
H N
Easy
IP
19:13
people don't want to learn about any projects
HN
19:32
Just go into it last month
19:52
Deleted Account
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Sorry, I am using PhamHuongโs miner. It wonโt stay on after more than a few minutes. I am running 5 rx580s
MH
20:42
Mandel Hoff
Try setting the kernel sync to true and maybe run each gpu in a separate process window if needed
IP
MF
21:22
Mr Flintstone
next diff should be ~12571
21:22
76% increase lol
MK
21:26
Mitchell Amador Kuzzel | Immunefi
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21:27
Sy
not that much longer...8-10h
IP
21:28
I P
that is good
21:29
the more diff increases the better
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Z
OK
23:17
O K
loads here
K
23:20
Kale
looklike working
K
23:46
Kale
Veoscan has down๏ผ
Z
23:48
Zack
veoscan is back
MF
23:48
Mr Flintstone
yeah, up for me
16 May 2018
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01:05
Deleted Account
anyone able to help with a compile error with the full node
01:26
Deleted Account
๐ look into the log later. I'm away from home now. thanx
OK
02:51
O K
What's your best guess?
02:51
Deleted Account
Because you want people to switch to other pools?
OK
02:52
O K
๐ insert the word "some" and you hit the nail on the head
S
03:14
Sy
aaaand down it goes
IP
OK
03:15
O K
He means up it goes
MH
03:15
Mandel Hoff
Block 22000, new difficulty.
OK
03:16
O K
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S
03:18
Sy
well it depends at what you are looking
03:18
diff or reward :D
I
03:19
Iridescence
What's the diff?
MF
03:20
Mr Flintstone
22000!
03:21
I think we will find out in one block
S
03:21
Sebsebzen
Whoโs at consensus
03:21
Pm me
MF
03:25
Mr Flintstone
22001
03:25
New diff 12631
03:25
I was off a little
EP
03:27
Evans Pan
how much for 10g a day now
IP
MF
03:31
Mr Flintstone
I think 1g used to be 0.012 veo per day
03:31
And diff went up 80%
03:35
lol those are some quick blocks
S
03:38
Sy
10gh is 0.068
03:39
oh...zack found 20001 :D
EP
03:47
bloody
03:48
veo should be 550 now at least
03:58
0.68
OK
04:03
O K
A 76% increase in difficulty = a __% decrease in veo?
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OK
04:08
O K
Typically the prices have continued in an upward trend. If they don't mining may become unprofitable for some people
A
04:09
Aries
Hold onto youโre seats
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M
04:41
Minieep21
17 mil BTC atm. Less than 30k veo
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M
04:42
Minieep21
Veo can easily be worth more than 1 BTC. mVeo may be the main trade unit.
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EP
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IP
04:43
I P
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well i think veo can easily be worth much more than it is now but i don't think veo can be worth more than 1 btc to be honest
ลฝM
04:44
ลฝivojin Miriฤ
should we start the mVEO debate again? :D
IP
04:45
I P
it's not a debate, i guess if all software gets updated to mveo as a default unit it will all be good from that point
M
04:47
Minieep21
30k VEO at $500 gives a Mcap of $15,000,000
04:47
I don't see why Veo cannot go another 10-15x
04:47
Or more*
IP
04:48
I P
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well it can if it gets large adoption, right now price is getting higher and higher because more and more people mine it, and a lot are accumulating with mining and buying
M
04:48
Minieep21
Exactly, community is still really small compared to most top 100 coins
04:49
Deleted Account
whats the last OTC price?
IP
04:49
I P
we need yet to see people using it a lot to make sport bets, crypto price bets and so on. actually crypto price bets idea is great because you can long or short bitcoin without having bitcoins and using any exchange
04:50
actually, would be cool if there was an ability to make leverage
Z
04:52
Zack
If you sell Veo, then you would have to pay tax.
Instead use veo to buy a contract to short Veo.
Instead use veo to buy a contract to short Veo.
05:07
Deleted Account
discord link for buying/selling is expired. if somone could post a new one, i'd appreciate it
Z
05:15
Zack
Amoveo uses as much energy as 272000 hamsters running.
IP
05:15
well not that much actually
Z
LB
05:31
Luke B
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Check out this sports market: http://168.62.52.179:8000/explorer.html
MF
05:31
Mr Flintstone
355 seconds per block through the first 20 blocks of new diff
IP
JM
05:33
J M
i couldn't figure it out
05:34
every time i tried to make a channel i got an error in the light wallet
05:35
http://168.62.52.179:8080/wallet.html is the light wallet on that node
MF
05:35
Mr Flintstone
oh, that was using 8000
05:36
I donโt think Christopher had enough veo for you to make a channel before?
05:36
Have you tried again recently?
05:37
also I donโt think that node is synced
Z
JM
05:37
J M
i tried again just now
05:37
it;'s synced now
05:38
Zack any advice on opening a channel?
05:40
or more generally, on making bets
M
05:41
Mike
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$15 million seems like a perfectly realistic and representative market cap to me. It seems deceitful to suggest a 9 figure valuation on a ~one man project in short term
M
IP
05:49
I P
current price to open a bet is 0.3 veo, right?
JM
05:49
J M
the price to make an oracle is something like 0.33 and some change
IP
05:50
I P
could we change government variables so it becomes cheaper? also lower tx fees a bit?
M
05:52
Minieep21
$15,000,000 Mcap puts Amoveo at around rank 430 on CMC. How many of those coins have real use cases?
Z
JM
05:54
J M
i get a 500 error when i click 'make channel'
05:54
anyone else successfully make a channel?
Z
05:54
Zack
Which light node are you using?
05:55
The server needs money to make the channel
JM
05:56
it has 5 veo
Z
05:59
Zack
Did you unlock the keys in your server?
JM
05:59
J M
yes
06:01
fyi i actually have a password
OK
06:02
O K
My password is ##########
06:02
Whoa
06:02
Is there a password censor bot?
IP
06:04
I P
would be nice if smb would record a video when placing a bet on that market and put it on youtube
06:04
and a video how to create a new bet market
06:04
i think that would bring a lot more people into creating and betting
06:05
even if it is not hard to figure out without videoguide people nowadays pretty much expect you to have such guide even for simple stuff
OK
06:06
O K
This task is calling for you IP
JM
06:08
J M
i can make a guide or even a video but i need to figure it out first
IP
OK
06:09
O K
I can help when I'm in front of a computer
Z
OK
06:10
O K
Flintstone might be able to help too
I
06:14
Iridescence
hunter2
06:14
Wait guys, why doesn't the password censor work for my password?
Z
06:15
Zack
It only works if you type your brain wallet for Veo from the light node
IP
Z
06:15
Zack
Sy already started lowering the spend TX fee
06:17
I've got a plan to split Oracle initial liquidity into 2 governance variables.
That way question oracles can be cheaper.
My Flintstone suggested this
That way question oracles can be cheaper.
My Flintstone suggested this
IP
06:17
I P
nice!
OK
IP
Z
06:18
Zack
It was 1/650 Veo fee before. We are lowering it to 1/1300
06:18
Sy made a governance oracle and bet in it
06:18
We can settle it in about 1500 more blocks
06:19
Then the spend fee will be lower
IP
Z
06:20
Zack
Yeah, it is a good thing that someone besides me can mess with governance variables now
MF
06:20
Mr Flintstone
ok
06:20
I think my next guide will be like :
06:20
full life cycle of making bets
Z
06:20
Zack
Market bets or oracle bets?
MF
06:20
Mr Flintstone
In markets
Z
06:20
Zack
Great
IP
MF
06:21
Mr Flintstone
perhaps my oracle guide can be more descriptive. but like zack says, very few people will actually participate in the oracle betting
Z
06:22
Zack
In reply to this message
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/api/commands_oracle.md
You can use this guide
You can use this guide
IP
06:23
I P
ah, i thought he was going to make a video guide
06:23
sure i've read it
06:23
my point is people nowadays do like to watch youtube guides
JM
06:24
J M
anyone want to make a guide about opening a channel? i must be doing something stupid
MF
06:26
Iโve opened a channel before (and @potat_o has too)
06:26
so I know itโs possible lol
IP
OK
06:26
O K
I've got some time to go through the motions with you now
06:26
Johnny
JM
06:27
J M
and you just used the light wallet? anything special you have to do?
06:27
that would be much appreciated, O K
OK
06:27
O K
Anyone else wants to join in that's cool
06:27
Alright, which node has the market on it ? Link me?
JM
OK
JM
06:29
J M
yeah that's the one i've been trying
OK
06:29
O K
Okay first of all, you'll need to load your keys
JM
06:29
J M
loaded
OK
06:30
O K
next is amount to lock in channel
06:30
Pretty sure that's in zackoshis
06:30
So how many veo were you looking to put in the channel?
Z
06:31
Zack
I think all the light wallet amounts are in Veo
OK
06:31
O K
Okay ๐
Z
06:31
Zack
I might be wrong
JM
06:31
J M
1 is fine
06:31
i'll try 1 or 100000000 if that doesn't work
Z
06:32
Zack
$600 experiment. So bold
OK
06:32
O K
I thought we had configured the wallets to have a default channel delay value
06:32
Maybe it got overwritten
JM
06:32
J M
fortune favors the bold Zack
06:33
fine i'll do less for testing lol
OK
JM
06:34
J M
ok
OK
06:35
O K
It expires at height 34,000
Z
06:35
Zack
3 months in the future?
OK
06:35
O K
So it appears
Z
06:35
Zack
I'm not sure it is possible to have a channel open that long
06:36
You might have to reduce the time-value constant from the config file
06:36
Otherwise the channel will be more expensive than how much money you put into it
06:37
Config/sys.config.tmplate
Something like this
Something like this
S
IP
Z
06:38
Zack
With a full node
'oracles:all().'
'oracles:all().'
S
06:39
Sy
with that you get unreadable gybrish...one of them without a text is the governance xD
JM
06:39
J M
ok so anything else i have to do before clicking 'make channe'?
OK
Z
06:42
Zack
Johnny Cash maybe
OK
06:42
O K
In reply to this message
Well presumably the channel would need to be open for 12,000 blocks
Z
06:42
Zack
If he wants to make channels that last that long.
OK
06:42
O K
What config file will he be editing? Is it his node?
JM
06:42
J M
yeah it's my node
OK
06:42
O K
I see, okay
Z
06:42
Zack
The config file can be customized on each full node
OK
JM
06:43
J M
the channel deosn't necessarily need to be opened for the whole length of the market betting, does it?
Z
06:43
Zack
The blockchain can't enforce the outcome until the Oracle is closed
06:45
If the blockchain can't enforce anything. Then there is no point in using a channel
JM
06:46
J M
maybe this is naive but why is the fee for opening a channel dependant on the time that it's open?
06:46
as opposed to an absolute value for opening/closing
OK
06:46
O K
Isn't it up to you?
MF
06:46
Mr Flintstone
i think that this is up to the node operator
06:47
but you need to be comped for risk taken right?
JM
06:47
J M
right
06:47
but it is the default behavior
06:47
ok i get it
06:47
I appreciate all the help guys
OK
06:48
O K
Thanks for trying it out, I'm excited to particpate with you
MF
06:50
Mr Flintstone
I wonder how much it would cost us to pay someone to roll all of this up into a seamless UX
06:50
like very simple, mobile application friendly user experience
06:51
also secure obvs
Z
06:51
Zack
In reply to this message
The operator only has so much money to let people make channels with.
You need to fairly compensate him for locking up his money so long.
You need to fairly compensate him for locking up his money so long.
JM
06:52
J M
makes sense
Z
OK
06:55
O K
The public will want something a little more refined, but it's okay we'll get there
JM
07:02
J M
i'm changing it now
OK
07:02
O K
Sweet : )
IP
OK
07:04
O K
Me?
JM
07:04
J M
i've been having trouble keeping my node synced but that's another issue
07:05
ok i lowered it
OK
07:05
O K
There's a trick to it
JM
07:05
J M
if i did the math right it should just be a few cents
OK
07:05
O K
get headers from a pool, make sure your synced, then add yourself to the peers list
07:05
That usually keeps it synced
JM
07:06
J M
good idea
07:08
ok maybe i suck at math
07:08
even with a fee of 1 i can't open the channel
07:09
a shit my node is messed up, one minute
Z
07:12
Zack
you are adjusting this line right? https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/config/sys.config.tmpl#L42
JM
07:12
J M
yea
07:12
does that require a re-build?
07:26
ok i still can't seem to make a channel
OK
07:26
O K
Ok, checklist
JM
07:26
J M
not for 12000 blocks anyway
07:26
i made a short one
OK
07:27
O K
ah
JM
07:27
J M
can you only have one channel per account?
07:27
at a time, i mean
07:28
but anyway i even set the time value to 0
07:28
also tried 1
OK
JM
07:29
J M
it seems like i messed up by making the oracle expire at 34000
OK
07:31
O K
I'm willing to use it if you can get it working
07:31
I don't mind if a small amount of veo is locked up if your fee is low
Z
07:33
Zack
The server has a dictionary of it's open channel, and it looks up each channel with your pubkey.
So the server will only let you make on channel per pubkey.
But you could use that same pubkey to make a different channel with a different server. You can save your multiple channel states to file.
So the server will only let you make on channel per pubkey.
But you could use that same pubkey to make a different channel with a different server. You can save your multiple channel states to file.
JM
07:33
J M
i see
07:34
someone else try then
OK
07:35
O K
I will shortly
JM
07:35
J M
i reduced the time/value fee but i already made a channel with this account on that server. i can make another one but i'll have to move some veo
Z
07:37
Zack
you can see the time value for this server in the light node, so the server can't secretly over-charge you
07:37
you can close your channel pretty easily
JM
07:41
J M
oh, i see that now
OK
07:41
O K
A channel is opened, a bet is placed in a market, the market expires with the bet unmatched. The money is automatically returned for use to the owner in the channel?
Z
07:43
Zack
if the match expires? what does that mean?
OK
07:44
O K
"match expires"? I didn't say that I think you misread me
07:44
if the market expires
07:45
the bet was never matched
Z
07:45
Zack
oh, the time limit you write when you created the new market on your server
OK
07:46
O K
When looking at a market on explorer.html it says "Expires at height"
Z
07:47
Zack
oh, if the bet wasn't matched in the order book
OK
07:47
O K
Exactly
Z
07:47
Zack
Until the bet is not matched you can undo the bet at any time from the light node interface
07:48
so you would just undo the bet to recover your funds
OK
07:48
O K
Well, that doesn't exactly answer the question --
07:48
If the market is expired, is it needed to undo the bet?
Z
07:48
Zack
You are wondering how the smart contract is programmed to handle this case?
OK
07:49
O K
Yes I'm wondering about the expected behaviour
Z
07:51
Zack
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/apps/amoveo_core/priv/market.fs#L116
The smart contract can be changed very easily without doing any hard update. I spent a lot less time writing these parts compared to the others.
The smart contract can be changed very easily without doing any hard update. I spent a lot less time writing these parts compared to the others.
OK
07:52
O K
If a channel is opened, and in the "how long should the channel last" field, someone puts 4000. After 4001 blocks, what has happened to the channel?
Z
07:52
Zack
the output of each smart contract is 3 numbers.
a nonce, the amount of money that goes to pubkey2 (the rest goes to pubkey1), and a delay.
The delay is how much time the other peer has to provide more evidence to stop the channel from closing.
a nonce, the amount of money that goes to pubkey2 (the rest goes to pubkey1), and a delay.
The delay is how much time the other peer has to provide more evidence to stop the channel from closing.
07:54
it looks like there are 2 cases that get handled.
Either the oracle is closed, or it is not. which is the one you are asking about?
Either the oracle is closed, or it is not. which is the one you are asking about?
07:54
this is for an unmatched trade in the order book
OK
07:54
O K
Correct
07:54
I suppose, start with the simpler of the 2 cases
Z
07:56
Zack
First looking at the case with an unsettled oracle.
`Expires @ Period @ + int 2000 +
int 0
int 10000 MaxPrice @ -`
The first number is the block height when we will be able to close the channel. It has to stay open till then in case your partner can provide counter evidence.
It is (the expiration date for the channel) + (the period of how often batches of trades get matched in the order book) + 2000.
`Expires @ Period @ + int 2000 +
int 0
int 10000 MaxPrice @ -`
The first number is the block height when we will be able to close the channel. It has to stay open till then in case your partner can provide counter evidence.
It is (the expiration date for the channel) + (the period of how often batches of trades get matched in the order book) + 2000.
07:58
the 2nd number is the nonce. it is zero.
Which means this final state is very low priority. If there is any other way to run the contract, that other way will probably be dominant (unless it is also a zero).
Which means this final state is very low priority. If there is any other way to run the contract, that other way will probably be dominant (unless it is also a zero).
07:59
The third number is how much money is transfered. This looks like it is just returning everyone's money as if the bet never happened.
OK
08:00
O K
So,
Z
08:01
Zack
This second case is if the oracle has been settled
`Period @
int 1
int 10000 MaxPrice @ -`
`Period @
int 1
int 10000 MaxPrice @ -`
08:02
The third number is the same as the other time.
It looks like the bet is just undone.
It looks like the bet is just undone.
OK
08:04
O K
I'm looking at RvibrpOijW1S9UyAvCW2q6uR/0OMgML/bHbOriSBvGk= on your node
Z
08:06
Zack
looks like Mr Flintstone never removed his expired trades
OK
08:06
O K
One is mine
Z
08:07
Zack
are you trying to get your money out? do a trusted sync of channel data in the light node if you lost your copy. My node should still have a copy.
08:07
I promise I didn't mess with it
OK
08:07
O K
I know you didn't but I also have mine
08:07
I'm just wondering, as we go since this is a first time for me
08:08
The chart will begin to disappear,
08:08
Maybe for the future when an oracle expires, a snapshot should be recorded?
Z
08:09
Zack
what for?
OK
08:09
O K
For history
Z
08:09
Zack
every moment is interesting for history, right?
OK
08:09
O K
Well, that'd be even better, if you're suggesting an animation
Z
08:09
Zack
I was thinking of keeping a record of the price that gets matched with each batch
08:10
Keeping a record of all the open trades for all of history might get a little big
OK
08:10
O K
Sure, okay, well anyway
08:10
So am I needing to do anything with the market? or just the channel
Z
08:10
Zack
you need to copy-paste the market id into the wallet.html page
08:10
oh, my mistake
OK
Z
08:10
Zack
you don't need the explorer.html page at all
08:11
just load your channel state into the wallet.html page
OK
08:11
O K
I have done that
Z
08:11
Zack
then a button will appear to cancel the trade
OK
08:11
O K
mm
MF
08:11
Mr Flintstone
did it work?
Z
08:11
Zack
update balances of off-chain trades
08:11
to display the other button
OK
08:11
O K
your balance : 0.22500001server balance: 0.27499998time left in blocks: -5731
08:11
I have clicked all of those buttons
Z
08:12
Zack
hmm. maybe your channel state is no good.
08:12
try syncing mine?
OK
08:12
O K
Then I clicked them all after pasting the address
08:12
Ok I will try
08:12
But doesn't it seem like the amount is already in the channel balance?
08:12
Shame on me, but I can't remember how much I put in to begin with
08:12
Oh I see, server balance
08:12
That's my money that's tied up?
K
08:13
Kale
not per 100 g's output is?
OK
08:13
O K
Your channel state and my channel state appear identical
08:14
after get headers
08:14
your balance : 0.22500001server balance: 0.27499998time left in blocks: -5733
08:14
Just to be clear, I should not need to paste the market in the market field to use the update balance of off chain assets button?
Z
08:14
Zack
the server balance is money that is not tied up. it is money that the server has available to lock into a contract
08:15
There should be a way to display a list of all the contracts, and next to each unmatched trade is a button to cancel the contract.
JM
08:16
J M
i'm getting an error trying to click 'make bet'
08:16
possibly it's because my channel isn't long enough
MF
08:16
Mr Flintstone
Zack, can you relay the first 3 characters of the pubkey I used to place an unmatched bet on the market?
08:17
did you โget more headersโ?
OK
08:17
Or transfer to another account for now?
JM
08:17
J M
yea i'll try another account
08:17
closing the channel doesn't appear to be working
OK
08:17
O K
Probably too soon
JM
08:18
J M
oh yea, the dealy
08:18
delay. duh
Z
08:19
Zack
Maybe to get my money out of the channel with OK, I will have to slash the channel. It would be our first channel-slash
OK
08:21
O K
from the console
08:21
outstanding bets channel object bets are
bets.js:21:2
1
bets.js:22:2
[-6]
Z
08:33
Zack
You probably already closed the bets.
08:33
Can you close the channel?
08:33
The server will only close if you agree on the final state.
08:33
So this is a way to find out if you already closed the bets
OK
08:40
But wouldn't the graph change?
Z
08:41
Zack
those are probably someone else's bets.
OK
08:41
O K
Flinstone and I were the only ones who bet
08:41
I remember
Z
08:41
Zack
if my server isn't loading any bets to you, then they are gone from my server at least.
OK
08:41
O K
hmm, so why didn't the channel close on its own?
MF
08:41
Mr Flintstone
I have .0767 server balance
Z
08:42
Zack
the record of channel state stored on the server is different form the record on the blockchain
OK
08:42
O K
your balance : 0.22500001server balance: 0.27499998time left in blocks: -5733
Z
08:42
Zack
Mr Flintstone, how many bets do you have?
08:42
can you cancel them?
MF
08:42
Mr Flintstone
2
OK
08:42
O K
Why would flinstone's server balance be different
Z
08:42
Zack
so OK didn't have a bet
OK
08:42
O K
Hmm
MF
08:42
Mr Flintstone
lol
OK
08:42
O K
I bet before flinstone did
08:42
And then he undercut me remember?
Z
08:42
Zack
he probably has less money in the channel on both sides
MF
08:43
Mr Flintstone
I could be wrong about 2
08:43
I just feel like it was 2
Z
08:43
Zack
anyone could change any bet at any time, since none got matched
MF
08:43
Mr Flintstone
is it a special tx to unlock the veo from the channel?
08:43
On-chain
08:43
@potat_o could just check tx history
08:44
do I hit โcombine bets...โ to cancel?
OK
08:44
O K
Wait
08:44
But
08:45
Ok nvm, you already checked the channel balance
08:45
So if he clicks those buttons? update balance of off-chain assets? his channel balance will change?
MF
08:45
Mr Flintstone
No they are def mine
OK
08:45
O K
well shit
MF
08:46
Mr Flintstone
cuz my balance plus server balance = 0.3 exactly
OK
08:46
O K
What does that mean?
MF
08:46
Mr Flintstone
and thatโs how much I put in
OK
08:46
O K
mine = .5 exactly
MF
08:46
Mr Flintstone
I am a retard
OK
08:46
O K
your balance : 0.22500001server balance: 0.27499998time left in blocks: -5733
MF
08:46
Mr Flintstone
that is what that means
08:47
weird
OK
08:49
O K
If one of the bets isn't mine...
08:49
And I set the channel to expire
08:49
why didn't it close itself
08:49
I swear one is mine
08:50
I clicked close channel, and got an XML parsing error in the console I think
MF
08:52
Mr Flintstone
make sure you are up to date on headers
08:52
I just spent 5 minutes clicking like an idiot
08:53
k
08:53
I got some veo out of the market
08:53
if you look at the depth chart
OK
08:54
O K
I've clicked everything, I have no idea
08:54
I refreshed and made sure headers were up
08:54
I used the trusted channel and my own channel state
08:58
XML Parsing Error: no root element found
Location: http://159.89.106.253:8080/
Line Number 1, Column 1:
Z
09:00
Zack
Mr Flintstone managed to close one of the bets
09:00
@potat_o are you sure that you are using the same address?
OK
09:00
O K
I'll double check tomorrow
09:01
Wouldn't the trusted channel state not have loaded?
09:01
Anyway, i'll double check
Z
09:23
it verifies a merkle proof, so the accuracy of the data is cryptographically secure.
HN
10:22
H N
how to check if my full node if running normally ?
10:22
my peers should be
10:22
peers:add({{45,76,144,45}, 8080}).
10:24
why i can't access it like this http://45.76.144.45:8080/
10:24
?
10:26
opps its working
10:27
here is my node
K
11:44
Kale
11:44
12:17
Deleted Account
wow nice one kale !!!
Deleted invited Deleted Account
CB
13:37
CeloStarter Bandits
Zack any reason why the chain needs burn so much energy, why is Chia.Network able to deliver a better solution.
k
13:48
kdmlll
Imo it's not better, just a different trade-off. Mining it will require higher capital instead of operating costs.
13:54
Deleted Account
TBH - i do not agree that the more heat this chain generates, the bigger bragging point it becomes. if the world gets fried, no blockchain will be able to save us
PL
14:00
Paww Lee
Why is it so hard to mine Amoveo?
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HN
15:12
H N
In reply to this message
Animation
Not included, change data exporting settings to download.
65.5 KB
K
15:54
Kale
0.5veo per key ring free shipping
15:54
N
16:04
NM$L
real๏ผ
EP
16:53
Evans Pan
Hi do we have any follow-up for the mVeo debate?
16:54
Is Amoveo sololy governed by Zack or the community can drive any initiatives?
S
17:11
Sy
a 175$ keyring...luxery :D
Fashu invited Fashu
18:17
Deleted Account
0.4veo for key Ring from me ๐
19:24
Deleted Account
We should use mVeo
DS
19:26
Denis Stepannikov
hello, what is Current difficulty amoveo?
S
19:34
Sy
12600 th per block
19:34
and yes there is a miner and a discord and trades and yes ppl are buying and selling around 300
k
19:52
kdmlll
Damn, amoveo so advanced, we answering questions from the future
S
19:54
Sy
๐
Z
IP
20:12
so, about yesterday issue with channels and bets, how did it go?
20:12
were you able to close that thing? were you able to bet on that sports even oracle?
G
20:31
Gonzalo
@Kale I'm selling an almost new HP ProLiant server for 2 VEO at discord... I wont accept 4 keyrings in exchange ๐
MF
20:34
Mr Flintstone
I could close
S
21:08
Sebsebzen
btw
21:08
21:08
I really like this style of homepage
21:08
if VEO needs a one pager, something like this is probably enough in addition to GitHub
MK
21:11
Mitchell Amador Kuzzel | Immunefi
then someone should make the website
S
21:11
Sebsebzen
easy
21:11
see what Zack thinks first
MK
21:11
Mitchell Amador Kuzzel | Immunefi
happy to help copyedit after blockchain week
S
21:11
Sebsebzen
where are you?
21:11
haha
MK
21:11
Mitchell Amador Kuzzel | Immunefi
NYC atm
S
21:11
Sebsebzen
yeah
MK
21:13
Mitchell Amador Kuzzel | Immunefi
When the community steps forward and does the first of these, it will start really pushing the community forward
21:13
and there's a bunch of infra that needs to be built
21:13
for a community to thrive
S
21:14
Sebsebzen
but just in terms of standing out, keeping it minimal is a good idea
21:14
no need to have snazzy gimmicks
21:14
back to the roots, like Grin
21:14
just my two cents
G
S
21:23
from the community
G
21:25
Gonzalo
@sebsebzen @kuzzel Just a reminder that I secured amoveo.io for the project, and available to transfer to Zack whenever (but maybe we should have a kind of Amoveo Foundation to hold the domain?)
MK
21:25
Mitchell Amador Kuzzel | Immunefi
In reply to this message
Foundation = Better for decentralization
21:26
Zack seems pretty explicit about moving away from dependency on him as soon as possible
G
21:26
Gonzalo
yeah
21:27
btw, I've improved my amoveo vanity address generator at amoveo.online/vanity
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now with case sensitive search and all packed in just 1 file to make it easier to download and run offline
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but still as stop-gap he owning it would be good
21:30
what does it take to open a foundation, anyone has experience?
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Gonzalo
no exp, sorry
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Sebsebzen
I'll ask around
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Kale
Zack hi zack,i am running your pool software with fee rate 2%. now i have 7.9 veo in pool , but
total_veo() indicate that i only owe 2.8 to miners. this is not normal, right?
total_veo() indicate that i only owe 2.8 to miners. this is not normal, right?
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21:56
Kale
Who can help me?i can pay 1 veo
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21:59
Mandel Hoff
Kale - that might be correct. I think that Zack's pool uses PPLNS which holds veo in reserve so that it can properly credit miners on the 'final' blocks if the pool is ever shutdown permanently.
22:00
Zack would need to confirm though. I certainly could be wrong about that.
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Sy
hmm a vanitygen...gotta look into that, might be nice to make one threaded
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I'm always suspicious of address generators tbqh
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22:06
Sy
well this one is js, you can look at the source
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22:06
Gonzalo
Right
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22:06
Sy
the other one i would write myself xD
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22:06
Gonzalo
And download and run It offline as well
22:09
Anyway there's no mystery inside, just a few copy&paste from full node's wallet.html
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22:16
Amoveo foundation is a good idea. Zack cant and wont do everything
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Kale
yes,we should do it
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22:18
Evans Pan
if pool owners are supporting the foundation and willing to contribute, its quite straight forward.
22:18
if Zack dont like the idea of foundation, more depends on the communnity.
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Kale
dude
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zack don't like this
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because ae fuck him
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so he don't believe person now.but we should give him time
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Zack
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I don't understand how domains work.
What would I even do to be able to own one?
What would I even do to be able to own one?
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Sebsebzen
with .io domains, you just make an account and the person owning the page will send you an auth code
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then ownership is transfered to you
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you make the account at https://www.nic.io/
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Gonzalo
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you are right...
At nic.io they charge 90 $ a year per domain.
You can also register at mrdomain.com, where I registered the domain myself, they charge 39.95 โฌ a year.
At nic.io they charge 90 $ a year per domain.
You can also register at mrdomain.com, where I registered the domain myself, they charge 39.95 โฌ a year.
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Both mrdomain.com and nic.io support whois privacy.
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Letโs see if he responds
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He registered it in 2014
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Gonzalo
Oh, i did this as well months ago
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From: Tim Brokopp <twbrokopp@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:28:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Interested in your domain amoveo.org
Good Afternoon Gonzalo ... unfortunately, our board would only be willing
to let go of this at a premium price as they believe it would still have an
opportunity for us in the future.
Thanks,
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Sebsebzen
Owww
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Meeeh
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Gonzalo
dont know what is a "premium price" for them.. maybe a pair of veos ๐
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Sy
do they even know about veo? ask him what a premium price is, you might be lucky
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Zack
I think we will change the name in 3 or 4 months anyway. Once we identify our first target user base.
01:23
Maybe I should have an auction for who gets to know the new name of Amoveo first.
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Al
OevomA
OK
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O K
Hmm :/
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Sebsebzen
Amoveo is not bad
01:38
And the VEO ticker is also easy to remember
01:38
Actually just call it Veo
01:50
There arenโt many three symbol tickets left that are also vowels
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Gonzalo
+1
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+1
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Minieep21
+1
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Iridescence
You could call it Eternity ๐ฌ
02:27
Nvm, it's already taken
02:27
Or Aether ๐ฌ
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(I'm joking, Amoveo / VEO is fine)
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02:46
CeloStarter Bandits
lets call it Amether
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02:51
Jon Snow
Amoveo is actually a beautiful name. It will be a strong brand
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03:04
Zack did a good job
03:06
Anyone here who owns VEO.network?
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Branc
guys, need one help, please
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03:18
why only one device?
03:19
have 6x1060...
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amoveoMinerMan...
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and than:
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Branc
thank you
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goons
In the docs for the full node, why is it advised to not run Amoveo as root
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Sy
security risk if the api can be compromised somehow
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Tweety
OEV
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Zack
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Also, one tester reported that it won't turn on if you are root.
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goons
I actually only got it to turn on w root on a Pi
08:00
Assumed it was a security thing
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OK
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08:16
Zack
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In the case of Amoveo, it means that the external api does not support this request.
It is using pattern matching, and this is the default outcome.
It is using pattern matching, and this is the default outcome.
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08:29
Who is this?private pool?
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08:46
:)
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Kale
i want to make a explorer
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pool
08:48
and wallet
08:48
my partner in working on it
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it is
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actually sy is everywhere
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yeah
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sy keep buying and selling the same coin
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hahaha
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15:40
Oleksandr Sorokin
Hello everybody.
15:41
What happens to ap2? No send button
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Zack
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There were issues with spending from ap2. You can still use the light nodes.
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Oleksandr Sorokin
Thanks a lot. Where can I read about selling veo? With your control
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How is that happening
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Gonzalo
just go to trading channel at discord
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Oleksandr Sorokin
I am there already, but dont know what to do exactly
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Gonzalo
Oh, just put a WTB message and find a escrow
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Deleted Account
Hi! I am new here and just started mining two days ago with amo2. I ran across this project and I love it... sorry if this was answered already. How long should I expect to mine .25 veo with 8-9gh/s Iโve been going for two days and it seems like a long time.
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Sorry... I just saw the discord link. I will ask there
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just check your stats on ap2 that's all
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Sebsebzen
Where is link again where can see current supply?
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Sebsebzen
Yup, know. But there was I think veoscan or some site with stats
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Sebsebzen
Yeeeess
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Thx
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Zack
Looks like Augur announced a launch date: July 9.
We should make a market to bet on if they will have a delay.
We should make a market to bet on if they will have a delay.
21:01
If they have a delay, and we predict it, I bet a big portion of their user base will read the word "Amoveo".
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Minieep21
Would be an excellent advertisement
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O K
Awesome plan
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Sebsebzen
21:09
Muhahhahaha
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Diabolical plan
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O K
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Kale
now ap2 look like don't have more than 50% hashrate
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Sy
44%
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Kale
I made a contribution for this
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Gonzalo
Great
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too difficult to mine now
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Branc
yes, its true, difficulty increased 40%
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Zack
more like 80%
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Deleted Account
Hello
22:51
What's the daily generation?
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Mr Flintstone
target is 1 block per 10 minutes. Current reward is 1 veo per block
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so target is 144 per day
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also Iโm pretty sure this is a soft launch with training wheels
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could be wrong though
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Mr Flintstone
@zack did the oracle lookup tool on the light node disappear?
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or am I losing it
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O K
It only works on the node with the oracle, right?
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Mr Flintstone
oracles are on-chain, so anyone should be able to see
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Mr Flintstone
makes sense. thanks
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Sy
so...when txes got included into a block that gets orphaned...any chance that the node will resend instead of loosing them? Zack
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Mr Flintstone
discord down for you guys?
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ลฝivojin Miriฤ
it's down for me on my server
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so probably global
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Aries
Discord come back!!!!
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Ben
working for me
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02:49
Branc
guys, getting much higher hash in minerman, but lower in pool stat...any ideas?
OK
02:50
O K
Not sure if this is still true, but at one point that miner inflated numbers based on the variables you used.
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Sy
with amm you dont change nothing at all
02:53
with the newest version you cant because the initial values are perfect
02:53
if you used bullshit numbers for phams it showed 40 gh per card aswell
OK
02:53
I've done extensive number crunching on multiple cards, I've never had that happen
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03:07
Zack
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Usually both alternative blocks have the same txs.
I guess there are some rare situations where txs could get dropped.
I guess there are some rare situations where txs could get dropped.
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03:08
Sy
ah yeah since all nodes should have the same tx pool
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03:08
Zack
Discord is gone for me too
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03:08
Sy
hmm odd
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03:08
Zack
I guess I should stop using central European servers
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Sy
okay
03:19
Zack im pulling all my transactions via '["pubkey", "'.$pubkey.'", 15000, 22338]'
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and it lists the tx that got orphaned
03:20
or rather, the spend
03:21
yep it returns it
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Aaron
huge latency for me on discord
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Deleted Account
Where can I buy Amoveo?
OK
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There is a trading channel in the discord
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Deleted Account
everything looking ok with am2?
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O K
No problems here, did you have a concern?
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Deleted Account
we've just been discussing it on discord, I think there's been a long delay with updating balances and pending payout confirmations
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things just seem to be taking much longer than usual to update
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cool avatar btw, lone gunmen \o/
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O K
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This is probably just because everyone is used to the faster block times, but we just had that difficulty adjustment
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Deleted Account
honestly, I thought it was Wayne's World until I saw the larger version lol
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Deleted Account
Is zack here?
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Zack yo where u at, got some questions
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Zack
here
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Deleted Account
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Turing complete state channels, are there details out there?
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11:00
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/design/transaction_types.md
Here you can read about the transaction types that make up channels.
Here you can read about the transaction types that make up channels.
11:01
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/apps/amoveo_core/src/consensus/trees/channels.erl
Here you can read about the on-chain datastructure that is channels.
Here you can read about the on-chain datastructure that is channels.
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Deleted Account
Thanks will go thru these
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R u familiar with L4 (Jeff coleman n Co) proposal for generalised state channels?
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11:13
Zack
I just read about them because you mentioned it. Thanks for sharing.
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Mattias Nystrom
Hi Zack, have you considered attending/speaking at Binary District state channel workshop? it's in berlin at the end of next month: https://binarydistrict.com/courses/master-workshop-off-the-chain/
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Sy
Can I sync a node and copy a file over to have another node synced aswell?
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Sy
what file?
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Vladimir Vorkachev
Ive copied all and changed keys.db
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Worked fine
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Deleted Account
anyone think the trx fee is too high?
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Sy
no you cant
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the tx fee should decrease in about 1000 blocks i think
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@truvvor keys.db is your pubkey, i want the blockchain
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Deleted Account
I think we cant change the tx fee by modifiying the node code only, I have found this configuration in my node
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Well, I think it's not the way it seems
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Sy
thats why i started an oracle bet to half tx fees
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like i said, about 1000 blocks left
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but you will have to modify the js files for the wallet (or zack) since the 12500 is hardcoded there....
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Sy
how can i modify env variables?
{ok, BB} = application:get_env(amoveo_core, download_blocks_batch),
{ok, BM} = application:get_env(amoveo_core, download_blocks_many),
{ok, BB} = application:get_env(amoveo_core, download_blocks_batch),
{ok, BM} = application:get_env(amoveo_core, download_blocks_many),
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probably set_env but they have to be defined somewhere to begin with...right?
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Start a VEO/Cat blog for promotion
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Great success ๐
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Sticker
Not included, change data exporting settings to download.
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Zack
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Someone needs to close it.
Then you will want to do the Oracle-winnings and oracle-unmatched txs to get your money out
Then you will want to do the Oracle-winnings and oracle-unmatched txs to get your money out
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20:49
Sy
how can i check when an oracle can be closed?
20:49
and how i get the full id? oracle:all(). cuts the end off i think
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20:50
Zack
Use the gui interface I added to the light node
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20:50
Sy
explorer.html?
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Zack
wallet.html
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20:50
Sy
okay but i need the oracle id?
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Zack
You can look up by oracle ID
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666 members.
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20:51
Sy
how do i get the oracle ids?
20:51
oracles:all(). is cut off
OK
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20:52
Zack
The light node can only verify merkle proofs
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Sy
{oracle,<<139,13,139,179,174,16,227,170,226,123,178,114,
62,16,145,63,80,26,197,10,...>>,
2,
<<227,176,196,66,152,252,28,20,154,251,244,200,153,111,
185,36,39,174,...>>,
4133,2,1,
<<216,192,94,76,48,48,135,20,0,37,19,111,194,59,...>>,
<<4,200,213,238,176,0,178,197,62,12,103,124,195,...>>,
5141,1,50}},
62,16,145,63,80,26,197,10,...>>,
2,
<<227,176,196,66,152,252,28,20,154,251,244,200,153,111,
185,36,39,174,...>>,
4133,2,1,
<<216,192,94,76,48,48,135,20,0,37,19,111,194,59,...>>,
<<4,200,213,238,176,0,178,197,62,12,103,124,195,...>>,
5141,1,50}},
20:52
which one is the id?
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Zack
The I'd for markets are the same oid used in the light node
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I have linked to the records.hrl page before
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The I'd needs to be Base64 encoded
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20:54
Sy
so...the node cant tell me right now?
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Zack
The thing immediately after the word "oracle" is the I'd
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20:56
Sy
which is still cut off
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Zack
Store it in a variable, then do Base64 encode
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20:58
Sy
or i just wait for a fix?
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20:58
Zack
This is a fix.
Now the gui tells you more info.
Now the gui tells you more info.
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20:59
Sy
this is a workaround
20:59
a fix is something thats actually deplyoed by the dev
20:59
making things work as you need them
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Zack
Yes, I recently deployed the gui interface for oracles
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Sy
21:00
which needs an input the ordinary user cant get
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O K
lol
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Zack
You can just use oracles:all and forget about the gui if you prefer
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Sy
...
21:01
how would oracles:all help me? i pasted the output a bit earlier