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4 March 2018
12:16
Deleted Account
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I got one 1050。but this is not fast as I expected. my cpu is 8m hashrate
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MH
12:17
Mandel Hoff
Yes, the sha is in sha256.cuh.
12:17
Hash score is in device bool checkResul
12:17
device bool checkResult
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12:18
Zack
in the .cuh file?
MH
12:18
Mandel Hoff
main.cpp
12:19
Deleted Account
if the mining reward governance is symmetric, what happens if the change variable is above 100%?
Z
12:22
Zack
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Good Job Mandel. I don't have windows to test it, but it looks good.
12:22
This is an important step in the success of Amoveo
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12:23
Iridescence
My CUDA miner is almost done as well
K
12:23
Kenny
my gtx 1080 is getting 359mh
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12:24
Iridescence
Unfortunately my miner can't mine against the current hasher
12:25
is mining reward now 1.5 ?
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MH
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12:26
Zack
yeah, aren't you guys using the same miner? what is with that
12:26
why not the same speed?
MH
12:26
Mandel Hoff
I wonder why my 1060 and 1050 suck so much.
12:27
Easily could be my code or config values. So many knobs and dials for gpu tuning.
12:28
gtx1080 is pretty legendary so maybe it's just way better.
12:28
Deleted Account
i have a turbo gtx1080 ill try it out
K
12:29
Kenny
yeah, default values
MH
12:29
Mandel Hoff
👍
K
12:31
Deleted Account
guess i wont write my cloud mining guide just yet
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12:32
Zack
block reward is now 1.57 VEO
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12:32
Iridescence
Zack, amoveo-c-miner keeps giving "Server gave confusing response" when I point it at my own node
MH
12:32
Mandel Hoff
Maybe something wonky with my 1050 and 1060. They run ether mining at expected speeds. I already had cuda setup and that works great. Hmmm. well congrats to anyone with gpu windows cuda boxes!
12:32
Deleted Account
did people have to update their nodes to get the new block reward?
Z
12:33
Zack
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yes, some messages are being dropped.
My server is struggling under the bandwidth. And someone is unintentionally DDOSing me.
My server is struggling under the bandwidth. And someone is unintentionally DDOSing me.
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12:34
Iridescence
no, I meant that that the c-miner is pointing at my node on my machine, not yours
12:34
it used to work
12:34
Deleted Account
can you describe how that process was handled on the protocol level
12:34
because you talk about hard forks and such
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12:35
Zack
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maybe the ip or port is wrong? look at the readme, do the instructions one step at a time.
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12:35
Iridescence
localhost:8081
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12:39
Deleted Account
so you open an governance variable with, say, 1 veo on true side, then someone else comes in who wants to be on false must bet at least 2 veo? If that is all the bets that exist, the false side will have open orders and be the winner?
12:40
I think i missed a step in there
12:40
anyone can place liquidity of any size on the books, but 'consuming" the book is done exponentially?
Z
12:42
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this is backwards. adding an unmatched trade must increase exponentially, but you can combine with an existing trade in any amount.
MS
12:44
Matthew Slipper
Hey all. Anyone encountered this error while starting the C miner?
12:44
** exception error: undefined function miner:start/0
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12:47
Iridescence
now getting potential block died errors
12:48
hmm oh well
12:48
I guess I will come back once block 4k comes around
MH
12:48
Mandel Hoff
Good night. Enjoy the GPU miner:
https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerGpuCuda
Tomorrow should be fun too.
https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerGpuCuda
Tomorrow should be fun too.
Z
12:49
Zack
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that isn't my url.
this is: http://159.89.106.253:8080/wallet.html
this is: http://159.89.106.253:8080/wallet.html
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12:49
Iridescence
yeah, i pulled the latest one
12:52
Deleted Account
so the era of CPU mining finished?
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12:53
Kenny
yup it was fun while it lasted
12:53
lol
12:53
33
12:54
just on amoveopool
12:54
it shows on the miner
12:54
Deleted Account
anyone can make a gpu miner for ubuntu
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12:55
Iridescence
I am working on a gpu miner for ubuntu
12:55
CUDA
K
12:55
Kenny
nice
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K
12:55
Kenny
mandel
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12:55
Mike
Can we use visual studio 2017 community edition for gpu miner
K
12:55
Kenny
yeah, he has been paying out
12:55
and he just relased a gpu miner instead of hoarding it to himself
12:56
fee is a little high, but he is the only game in town
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12:57
Iridescence
well, right now only one person is getting blocks
12:57
when difficulty adjusts it will take forever to mine
K
12:58
Kenny
wouldnt it adjust to normal 10 minutes
12:59
with a bunch of gpu miners coming online since mandel just released his code it might be under 10 minutes
Z
12:59
oh right, so he is back online
12:59
his pool shows old data though. from 1000 blocks ago
13:01
Everything that you can do is explained in the readme.
13:04
looks like 25 seconds per block.
13:05
accounts:all_accounts().
MF
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13:07
Kenny
man.... does BGDXGmovuTEr have a gpu farm or someth
13:07
something*
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13:08
Kenny
ahhhh
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13:10
Zack
I think my pool is 100% of the network right now.
13:10
only ~20 gh/s
K
13:10
Kenny
it does seem like you are getting all the blocks
13:10
no its up
13:11
some of the website is having issues, but the pool is handing out work and seems to hand out new work when zacks pool finds a block so i assume it is working
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13:17
Deleted Account
dang the CPU miner crashes when i try to use it
13:17
GPU*
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13:17
Zack
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I don't know. when I look at recent blocks, it looks like 100% are from my pool.
13:18
Deleted Account
i should be able to replace the poolUrl with your ip right
K
13:18
Kenny
zack whats the distribution like of miners getting rewards from your pool? is it still mainly 1 guy finding blocks?
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13:19
Zack
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I was using Mandel's pool to see this, but the pool is down now. no convenient way to check.
We can look at the rich list again I guess.
We can look at the rich list again I guess.
13:19
928 BATman9wDh
732 BL0SzhkFGF
333 BMK+iq9hVx
332 BKzdH/S2tb
276 BOvlUiLRFe
241 BCjdlkTKyF
166 BARmD/Jtjv
123 BEUPZZqVe7
119 BAwfhwHde+
86 BF7M3qyVlQ
76 BLvrQn16BF
56 BKyLqCvF5v
42 BMbcy1hJCT
38 BAkr/oDfPv
33 BICdY1BAxG
30 BF8i3nrwyE
732 BL0SzhkFGF
333 BMK+iq9hVx
332 BKzdH/S2tb
276 BOvlUiLRFe
241 BCjdlkTKyF
166 BARmD/Jtjv
123 BEUPZZqVe7
119 BAwfhwHde+
86 BF7M3qyVlQ
76 BLvrQn16BF
56 BKyLqCvF5v
42 BMbcy1hJCT
38 BAkr/oDfPv
33 BICdY1BAxG
30 BF8i3nrwyE
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13:20
Mike
13:20
The GPU miner looks like this?
13:22
Deleted Account
what's the dev's pool address
K
13:22
Kenny
zacks pays out when you find a block
K
13:22
Kenny
no
13:22
Deleted Account
Im just getting GetWork: 500 Sleep and retry... using the gpu miner
K
13:23
Kenny
the gpu miner is working for me right now
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13:23
Mike
Kenny you get what my miner is showing?
K
13:23
Kenny
i did. that looks correct
13:24
when you find a block
13:24
his pool is winner take all
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kinda
13:25
it is just easier than solo mining since you dont have to maintain a node
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13:25
Mike
Zach can I have light node and gpu miner open at the same time
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13:26
Kenny
i think you can
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13:28
Zack
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the light node is a website. so if you can have a browser open, then you can have the light node open.
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13:31
Mike
Thanks
13:52
Deleted Account
Did not find a block in that period ? Mining pool 159.89.106.253:8085 how we can check the stats
13:52
Using opencl miner
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13:53
Zack
opencl miner is no good. we made the c-miner faster
13:54
Deleted Account
Zack:
opencl miner is no good. we made the c-miner faster
Ok
opencl miner is no good. we made the c-miner faster
Ok
CB
13:55
CeloStarter Bandits
zack.. what is the address of your pool
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CB
13:56
CeloStarter Bandits
can you give me a link
K
13:56
Kenny
zack is there a way i can look at all transactions for a given address? i am trying to find out how mandels pool address BKyLqCvF5vt7KBiPLId7xlW64Bb/uV+icPnvn5mgEKncqlCKiaXUTkRcZv7iYK3GKxSspNh0leIhc4YA+DJAY/s= is gaining balance. it does not seem that he is mining blocks. i am wondering if he is forwarding the solves to your node or something
Z
13:57
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yeah he might be forwarding them to me.
There is no convenient way to look up transactions from history.
There is no convenient way to look up transactions from history.
K
13:57
Kenny
ok, thx
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13:59
Zack
It is because he is running a mining pool, and you are mining. It is not good to participate in a thick market. too much competition.
CB
13:59
CeloStarter Bandits
how comes tjat my balances a vaporated and his balance exploded
14:00
sorry got 5 VEO and 4 are gone
K
14:00
Kenny
he was mining on a fork technically for part of day 1
14:00
Deleted Account
Ok runing with cpu miner but not with gpu 😔
K
14:00
Kenny
his node was out of sync and batman had a much higher block height
14:01
when he finally synced up all work on that forked chain was forfeited
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14:01
Zack
Amoveo is new software, it will take time for it to become more stable.
I gave many warnings not to invest too much, that it is high risk.
I gave many warnings not to invest too much, that it is high risk.
14:01
I am determined to provide better service for you in the future.
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14:02
Kenny
zack you have been doing a wonderful job
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14:04
Kenny
he said he was manually going to pay out the 333
14:04
if you are unhappy with amoveopool then mine to zacks pool
CB
14:04
CeloStarter Bandits
dont believe that....
14:04
wil
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14:04
Zack
It is your choice to join his pool or not. If you don't like his service, then don't use it.
K
14:05
Kenny
plus he just released a gpu miner and has put a ton of work into amoveo. i dont think he is looking to rip people off
CB
14:05
CeloStarter Bandits
i hope not
K
14:05
Kenny
he will make way more than 333 veo if he stays honest
Z
14:05
Zack
Right now there are not many mining pools, so there isn't much incentive to make sure all the rewards are paid.
14:06
Maybe instead of mining, you should have launched a mining pool. I made my mining pool software open source.
CB
14:06
CeloStarter Bandits
then i have a problem with tjat
14:06
ok..
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14:07
Kenny
i think it will be fine
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14:07
Zack
You have complained enough Can Sen. I hear your concerns, and I will try to build a better network for the future.
14:07
Mandel has no obligation to pay out any VEO.
14:07
if he does, that is fine. if he does not, that is also fine.
K
14:08
Kenny
yeah, he has put a ton of time an energy into amoveo. consider it a donation
CB
14:09
CeloStarter Bandits
i wait
K
14:10
Kenny
also im not sure you understand why your balance was "vaporized". if you knew what happened you would know that it was not deception. everyone mining to that pool from like block 150 or something to 800 was actually mining on a fork since his node did not stay in sync.
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14:14
Iridescence
This is a perf test for my CUDA miner in Ubuntu
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NOT a miner
14:14
just to test how many hashes your GPU will get
14:14
miner is still coming
MF
14:14
Mr Flintstone
Thanks!
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14:15
Iridescence
Please let me know how many hashes you get
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14:15
Iridescence
or if you get errors
MF
14:15
Mr Flintstone
Ok, one moment
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14:15
Iridescence
don't know
14:15
I'm not on WIndows
MF
14:15
Mr Flintstone
ya Ubuntu here
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14:17
Iridescence
I think the code that Mandel is using is not optimized
14:17
if I optimize the CUDA code I estimate that I can get about 4x better performance
14:17
roughly
14:17
or maybe 5x
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14:17
Iridescence
but for now this CUDA code is basic
14:18
and only for Ubuntu
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MF
14:18
Mr Flintstone
hmm
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14:18
Iridescence
^ haha good point
MF
14:18
Mr Flintstone
getting make: nvcc: command not found
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14:19
Iridescence
do you have CUDA installed?
MF
14:19
Mr Flintstone
good point lmao
14:26
Deleted Account
I tested.
GTX1080Ti * 2
CUDA kernel took 4.770699 s, Hashrate : 225.07 MH/s, 60.183509 total elapsed
GTX1080Ti * 2
CUDA kernel took 4.770699 s, Hashrate : 225.07 MH/s, 60.183509 total elapsed
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14:26
Iridescence
nice
14:26
I don't know how it handles SLI
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14:27
Zack
so is that faster than Mandel's?
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14:27
Iridescence
hehe
14:27
not yet
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14:28
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
nuce address tho
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14:28
Iridescence
Please test and tell me your hashrate if you can
14:28
Not as good as BATman
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14:28
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
I'm outside and will be able to test in a couple of hours
14:28
Deleted Account
Great work
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14:28
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
Nice work!
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14:29
was that the full output for you?
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on the command line
14:29
or were there multiple lines
14:29
Deleted Account
wait
14:30
Starting hash rate test for 60 seconds.
CUDA kernel took 4.718098 s, Hashrate : 227.58 MH/s, 4.718100 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608330 s, Hashrate : 233.00 MH/s, 9.326443 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.607128 s, Hashrate : 233.06 MH/s, 13.933580 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608119 s, Hashrate : 233.01 MH/s, 18.541709 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608335 s, Hashrate : 233.00 MH/s, 23.150055 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608390 s, Hashrate : 233.00 MH/s, 27.758456 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.609236 s, Hashrate : 232.95 MH/s, 32.367702 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608689 s, Hashrate : 232.98 MH/s, 36.976401 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608920 s, Hashrate : 232.97 MH/s, 41.585331 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.609814 s, Hashrate : 232.93 MH/s, 46.195156 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608655 s, Hashrate : 232.98 MH/s, 50.803821 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608969 s, Hashrate : 232.97 MH/s, 55.412800 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.770699 s, Hashrate : 225.07 MH/s, 60.183509 total elapsed
Hash rate test finished
CUDA kernel took 4.718098 s, Hashrate : 227.58 MH/s, 4.718100 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608330 s, Hashrate : 233.00 MH/s, 9.326443 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.607128 s, Hashrate : 233.06 MH/s, 13.933580 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608119 s, Hashrate : 233.01 MH/s, 18.541709 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608335 s, Hashrate : 233.00 MH/s, 23.150055 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608390 s, Hashrate : 233.00 MH/s, 27.758456 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.609236 s, Hashrate : 232.95 MH/s, 32.367702 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608689 s, Hashrate : 232.98 MH/s, 36.976401 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608920 s, Hashrate : 232.97 MH/s, 41.585331 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.609814 s, Hashrate : 232.93 MH/s, 46.195156 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608655 s, Hashrate : 232.98 MH/s, 50.803821 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.608969 s, Hashrate : 232.97 MH/s, 55.412800 total elapsed
CUDA kernel took 4.770699 s, Hashrate : 225.07 MH/s, 60.183509 total elapsed
Hash rate test finished
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14:30
Iridescence
well there should be multiple lines, since the kernel took 4 seconds to run
14:30
ok good
14:30
so on average it's more like 233 MH/s
14:30
Deleted Account
yeah
14:33
I've just been struggling to compile Mandel's GPU code in Ubuntu, but seems no longer necessary.
14:34
Deleted Account
windows is a bit of a pain
14:34
the gpu miner is crashign when i use it, i must not have something properly installed
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14:36
Zack
It is so great having a community of people who help.
I spent over a week trying to get GPU working with no luck, and today 1.5 GPU miners get donated as open source. in a single day.
I spent over a week trying to get GPU working with no luck, and today 1.5 GPU miners get donated as open source. in a single day.
14:36
Deleted Account
amoveo has a bright future
14:36
even if it fails a few times, which i doubt
K
14:37
Kenny
mandels code is faster. im getting 100 more mh than catweed with a slower. he has the 1080ti and i have the 1080
14:37
Deleted Account
oh really
K
14:37
Kenny
yea, im getting 343 mh
14:38
Deleted Account
hmm
14:38
Deleted Account
ill try on ubuntu since windows doesnt work
K
14:38
Kenny
ryan, windows works
14:38
Deleted Account
i might be missing a dependency
K
14:38
Kenny
did you install visual studio and cuda?
14:38
Deleted Account
yes, though how do i verify cuda is installed correctly
K
14:38
Kenny
not sure. it just worked for me
14:38
Deleted Account
hm
14:39
mine crashes when i try to connect
K
14:39
Kenny
what are you putting in to run it?
14:39
do you have latest graphics dirvers installed?
14:40
Deleted Account
i suppose ill check
14:40
yes im up to date
Z
14:43
Zack
you need to connect to my pool now. the blocks are coming too fast to make your own solo miner.
K
14:43
ati cards do not work
14:43
Deleted Account
yes i have geforce 1080
K
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14:44
Zack
you can see your balance in the explorer, or the light wallet. you don't have to run a node.
14:44
Deleted Account
thats a lot of hash
K
14:44
Kenny
where are you mining to?
14:45
is your node syncd?
Z
14:46
Zack
you shouldn't be running a node. you should connect your miner to my mining pool.
14:46
if you are trying to run a node, then that is why you cannot mine.
14:46
then use the explorer.
K
14:48
accounts:all_accounts().
14:48
type that into the node for the rich list
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14:51
Psdev
Aeternity mainnet launch - june 30, 2018 .... why so late?
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14:57
Roger That
Is there a way to connect to zack’s pool without building the miner? Can I use a url with the pre build miner?
14:58
Deleted Account
you can mine on the link give abov
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14:59
Kenny
the javascript miner on the webpage is very slow compared to the gpu miner that just came out
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14:59
Psdev
node compiles better from archlinux/base than ubuntu
K
14:59
Kenny
it is almost pointless to mine with the browser
14:59
Deleted Account
yeah
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15:00
Psdev
README for archlinux is missing make and awk
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15:00
Kenny
h s as posted 2 times before you check balance here http://159.89.106.253:8080/explorer.html
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15:00
Zack
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it would accept contact using
curl. the api is very simple. all you can do is request the current problem, and propose a solution.
15:01
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thank you for telling me this. The ubuntu installation probably has unnecessary steps then.
15:02
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http://159.89.106.253:8080/explorer.html
maybe this will be easier for you.
Although you can use either.
maybe this will be easier for you.
Although you can use either.
15:04
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thank you for telling me. I will put a note in the instructions about that.
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15:05
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
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There's only 15% chance all the txns would survive past this month anyways ;)
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15:14
Zack
17 seconds per block.
It is amazing how quickly and constantly we are increasing in hash power.
It is amazing how quickly and constantly we are increasing in hash power.
15:14
Deleted Account
i guess itll reset soon then
K
15:15
Kenny
all those gpus turning on
15:15
Deleted Account
yea
K
15:15
Kenny
will probably see another big just after a miner that works with amd comes out
Z
15:15
Zack
in like 2 hours 20 minutes
15:16
Deleted Account
but it does seem like nobody is selling
Z
15:16
Zack
Normally it takes 1 week to do 1000 blocks.
15:17
Deleted Account
maybe mandel would sell
K
15:18
Kenny
im not sure if it would be a good idea to buy, there is a chance we reset
15:18
Deleted Account
im okay with that risk
Z
15:18
Zack
I guess the first person to sell should do an auction
K
15:18
Kenny
right
15:18
Deleted Account
presumably that would make it appealing to sell though
K
15:18
Kenny
what do you wanna pay?
Z
15:18
Zack
offer up like 50 tokens for the highest bidder
15:19
Deleted Account
$5
K
15:19
Kenny
how many?
15:19
Deleted Account
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15:19
Zack
haha. I think if I was running the auction, I would want to wait at least 2 days for anyone to bid higher
15:19
Deleted Account
3500
K
15:19
Kenny
lol
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15:19
block:height().
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15:20
Kenny
there is barely that many in existence. there is 3530 total veo right now
15:20
Deleted Account
could amoveo be used to insure a trusted transfer of external coins
15:20
I know thats why I wouldn't buy more than that
Z
15:21
Zack
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no. the block reward went up 500 blocks ago, and that doesn't include the developer reward.
15:21
Deleted Account
15:21
Deleted Account
presumably if you had to transfer first, you could create a contract on amoveo to ensure you won't lose value if the transfer is 'stolen'
15:21
Deleted Account
still error
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15:22
Iridescence
type it again
K
15:22
Kenny
its api:height().
15:22
Deleted Account
yeah you actually typeed peers:all()block:height().
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15:22
Iridescence
block:height(). gives you the height that your node is at
15:22
api:height(). gives you the height that the network is at (I think)
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15:23
Zack
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we could build an atomic swap tool.
I already wrote the lightning payment tool, which is the amoveo half of the atomic swap.
I think ethereum already has atomic swaps, so we would just need to connect them together.
I already wrote the lightning payment tool, which is the amoveo half of the atomic swap.
I think ethereum already has atomic swaps, so we would just need to connect them together.
15:23
Deleted Account
ok
15:23
K
15:23
Kenny
a 1080 gpu gets 342 MH
15:24
Deleted Account
yeah thats an option, but i am curious about insured transfers, so that coins or assets without atomic swaps can still be transferred with trust but with trustless insurance against theft, which essentially makes the trusted transfer trustless
K
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15:24
Zack
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you are nearly correct.
block:height is how many blocks you have downloaded. a block is up to 1 megabyte big and contains all the transactions.
api:height is how many headers you have downloaded. a header is about 100 bytes and can be used to verify merkle proofs of the blockchain state at that point in time. headers also contain the proof of work proofs so you know which chain is longest.
block:height is how many blocks you have downloaded. a block is up to 1 megabyte big and contains all the transactions.
api:height is how many headers you have downloaded. a header is about 100 bytes and can be used to verify merkle proofs of the blockchain state at that point in time. headers also contain the proof of work proofs so you know which chain is longest.
15:24
Deleted Account
no
15:25
i will try it sks
K
15:25
Kenny
do that and then sync_mode:normal(). after that finishes
Z
15:25
Zack
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Why are you trying to run a full node?
You just need a light node and mining software to connect to the mining pool.
You just need a light node and mining software to connect to the mining pool.
K
15:27
Kenny
zack. how fast are you mining blocks now. mandels pool looks like it died
15:27
Deleted Account
i dont khown how to tun a light node
Z
K
15:28
Kenny
np
Z
15:29
here it is in English: http://159.89.106.253:8080/wallet.html?en
15:29
The Chinese translation isn't so good. Maybe you could help me make it better.
15:29
Deleted Account
15:29
what can i do next?
K
15:30
Kenny
what are you trying to do?
15:30
Deleted Account
i want min
15:31
Deleted Account
i have 10mh/s speed, is it worth to mine on pool now?
Z
15:33
Zack
In reply to this message
Can you tell me more about your browser?
It is not displaying the account part of the light node. This is unexpected.
Please open the browser console and send me any errors.
It is not displaying the account part of the light node. This is unexpected.
Please open the browser console and send me any errors.
15:34
Deleted Account
15:34
qq browser
Z
15:34
Zack
I needed to restart the server. it will be back shortly
15:35
Deleted Account
Z
15:35
Zack
In reply to this message
great. thank you for sharing this error.
I will try to add support for QQ browser soon
I will try to add support for QQ browser soon
15:36
Deleted Account
chrome is good
Z
K
15:43
Kenny
did you sync:start().
Z
15:49
Deleted Account
Z
15:50
oh, is this mining software?
15:50
Deleted Account
that looks like mandels miner
K
15:51
Kenny
it is
15:51
Deleted Account
you can
Z
15:51
Zack
I don't know if it is crashing or running well. I haven't used that software.
15:51
Deleted Account
i may share my script which works for mandels
15:52
Deleted Account
mandels pool seems to be down for me
15:52
Z
15:53
Deleted Account
15:53
mee too
K
15:53
Kenny
same
15:54
its been down for like 30 minutes
15:54
Deleted Account
it's been down for longer than a few mins, like quite a while
K
15:54
Kenny
nope
15:54
it will retry
15:54
nope
Z
15:55
Zack
mining pool is back up, we found 2 blocks. the reboot of amoveo was a success.
LJ
15:56
Long John
Can I mine straight from the wallet?
15:56
Z
15:57
Zack
Amoveo was down for several hours yesterday, and for 19 minutes today. I will do better going forward.
K
15:58
Kenny
lol....zack you are doing fine
Z
15:58
Zack
In reply to this message
yes, but you will probably never find a block. it is a very slow miner.
K
15:58
Kenny
it will be nice when the diff adjusts and we can get more pools going
LJ
15:58
Long John
ah okay
15:58
So theres two pools so far Zacks and Mandels?
15:58
Deleted Account
wallet.html miner is now working - mandels is still broken, maybe he needs to restart too
K
15:59
Kenny
correct
15:59
but mandels is down
15:59
probably until he wakes up
15:59
Deleted Account
16:00
now i just wait,is ok?
K
16:00
Kenny
yup
16:00
or download the c miner https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo-c-miner
16:00
then you can mine to zacks pool
Z
16:01
Zack
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looks like Mandel's miner is not working now. Try again tomorrow.
LJ
16:01
Long John
Can someone link the address for Zacks pools please?
16:01
Deleted Account
does https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo-mining-pool make payments? or does that need to be programmed separately
16:01
Deleted Account
tks
CB
16:01
CeloStarter Bandits
one question.. is GPU much more efficient for mining that i can stop CPU mining?
16:02
Is CPU Mining pointless against GPU?
Z
16:02
Zack
In reply to this message
Either at height 4000 or at 6000, I think CPU will stop making sense to use for mining.
CB
16:02
CeloStarter Bandits
ty
Z
16:03
In reply to this message
it is the default pool that the c-miner connects to https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo-c-miner
LJ
16:03
Long John
Alright great
16:03
I didnt realise someone got a GPU miner working
Z
DG
16:07
David G.
Hello Zack, would C be preferred language for miner moving forward?
Z
16:08
Zack
In reply to this message
no. Mandel got a miner working in CUDA, so we have entered the age of GPU mining.
16:13
14 seconds per block.
We keep speeding up.
We keep speeding up.
16:14
even after I restarted and probably caused all the miners to crash.
16:14
Deleted Account
thats quite fast
16:14
difficulty reset takes the average of the last 2000 blocks?
Z
16:15
Zack
it takes the median of the first thousand, and the median of the second thousand, and then takes the difference of those two values.
It divides this by 1000.
That is the estimate for the block period.
It divides this by 1000.
That is the estimate for the block period.
T
16:16
TownAlwaysGet
is amoveo pool down?
DG
16:16
David G.
awesome, I just got a small egpu - so gonna try and see if I can participate
Z
16:17
Deleted Account
"takes the difference of those two values.
It divides this by 1000." I assume you mean the average of those two?
It divides this by 1000." I assume you mean the average of those two?
T
Z
16:17
Deleted Account
nice, thats a good approach
Z
16:18
Zack
In reply to this message
Well, Mandel lives in California time zone. I would guess around 8:30 AM California time.
16:18
wait, no. not the average of the 2 values.
16:18
(v2 - v1) / 1000
LJ
16:24
Long John
hurray! got the miner working
16:24
Deleted Account
gpu?
LJ
16:24
Long John
cpu lol
16:24
Deleted Account
oh
LJ
16:24
Long John
sorry to disappoint 😆
16:24
Deleted Account
lol
K
16:27
Kenny
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zack. i think it actually crashed when your node had whatever issue it had. i think it went down about 5 minutes before i noticed and posted here. then you rebooted the node. just fyi
16:33
Deleted Account
16:33
😂
16:34
i think i need a step by step guid
Z
16:34
Deleted Account
mining?it is not a error?
Z
16:35
Zack
you are using it correctly. there is no error.
You are mining.
You are mining.
16:36
18 seconds per block
16:37
We are all on the Amoveo team
16:37
Deleted Account
Can i use gpuminer to mine now ? on windows10
Z
16:37
Zack
In reply to this message
I am not sure. I think maybe Mandel's node will be down for the next 8 hours.
16:38
Deleted Account
then do we gpu miners have another pool?
Z
16:38
Zack
700 gh / 18 seconds is about 39 gh/s
16:38
some gpu miner must have found a way to connect. So I guess mandel's pool must be working somehow
16:38
39 gh/s is too high for just cpu
16:39
Deleted Account
ur, seems time for gpu already
16:40
so much hashrates now
Z
16:41
Zack
bitcon is 25 million terahash.
So we are about 1/billion the power of bitcoin.
So we are about 1/billion the power of bitcoin.
16:41
Deleted Account
yeah its still early
16:42
Deleted Account
i have 0.129mh/s
16:50
Deleted Account
Zack is there any tentative date for a hard fork or is still too soon to know ( until sw established)?
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16:56
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
I'm willing part with my Veo if someone's willing pay 1 ETH/Veo lol 😭
16:56
Deleted Account
seems unlikely since they can be generated much cheaper right now
16:57
the icnrease in reward from 1 to 1.57 actually made amoveo cheaper too
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16:57
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
but I'm using CPU to mine, and that's kinda rare these day you know? 😅
16:57
Deleted Account
the difficulty adjustment will make amoveo more expensive soon
16:57
1 CPU costs $5/m
16:59
39000 MH/s seems low for the network, that cant be right
17:03
nevermind, i figured it out
17:06
Estimated HashRate (MH/s) 39000
CPU Speed 0.3
1 cpu / month $10
Cost of MH/s (per Month) $33
Seconds Per month 2,628,000
Cost of MH/s (per second) $0.00001268
Estimated seconds to reward 18
HashRate To Generate VEO 702000
Cost to generate reward $8.90410959
VEO Reward 1.57
Cost/VEO $5.67
VEO Generated Per 1 CPU Per Month 1.76
CPU Speed 0.3
1 cpu / month $10
Cost of MH/s (per Month) $33
Seconds Per month 2,628,000
Cost of MH/s (per second) $0.00001268
Estimated seconds to reward 18
HashRate To Generate VEO 702000
Cost to generate reward $8.90410959
VEO Reward 1.57
Cost/VEO $5.67
VEO Generated Per 1 CPU Per Month 1.76
17:07
Good miners can generate it much cheaper than $5.67. $5.67 is what a noob can generate it for
17:08
with a 30% profit margin for miners, I would be willing to buy VEO for $7.37
17:10
I suppose the introduction of GPU miners without much increase in difficulty would also lower the price of VEO, but we will see how that goes I assume itll increase to match
DG
17:11
David G.
without much increase in difficulty?
17:11
I believe its gpu miner was enabled
17:12
a *
17:12
Deleted Account
yeah
17:12
but if people aren't using it then its cheaper than $7 to mine VEO since your cost per MH/s goes down
17:12
if everyone is using it, your cost is the same but you get fewer reward
17:14
any professional miner should be willing to sell VEO for $7.37
MS
17:48
Matthew Slipper
Is the default mining pool down?
17:54
Looks like even running your own mining pool yields a 500.
17:56
Deleted Account
Matthew, did you: sync_mode:normal().
17:56
(on the node)
T
17:56
TownAlwaysGet
maaaandel wake up... haha
MS
17:58
It's blowing up while processing the mining_data - line 17 of http_handler.erl
17:59
Deleted Account
you use http://IPOFPOOL:8085/ as the pool url?
MS
17:59
Matthew Slipper
yep
18:00
i'm using the GPU miner
18:00
let me try with a normal CPU miner.
DG
18:00
David G.
hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to set up pool
18:01
I've only staked a few times - but curious to hear if theres some recommended guide to read up on
18:01
Deleted Account
oh, the gpuminer is setup differently
18:01
the cpuminer had a define you could change to run on a custom pool, while the gpuminer doesn't
MS
18:01
Matthew Slipper
you sure? it takes command line args
18:01
Deleted Account
amoveopool uses a different format for its getwork requests, so its not just a url change
MS
18:02
Matthew Slipper
aha
18:02
Deleted Account
I didn't know if the pool operator did that on purpose to "encourage" people to use his pool
MS
18:02
Matthew Slipper
lol
18:02
i'm going to make some changes to his codebase then.
18:08
his pool is down anyway.
18:12
yea i found the issue... poolApi.cpp send the miner's pubkey to getworks.
18:12
*getWork.
18:18
Yeah, found the problem. The GPU miner sends the public key's base64 alongside the mining_data literal. Patching http_handler.erl on line 17 to the following: doit({mining_data, Pubkey}) fixes it.
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New difficulty 11320
18:36
Deleted Account
Wheire is zack pools ?
18:36
Deleted Account
K
Kenny 04.03.2018 14:04:33
if you are unhappy with amoveopool then mine to zacks pool
D
18:37
Deleted Account
Yes thank you i will try it the cuda miner
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Deleted Account
MS
Matthew Slipper 04.03.2018 18:00:17
18:37
Deleted Account
This nice 😍
18:39
I am test now it using window for mine with nvidia gpu
MS
18:41
It sends an invalid Json payload to the pool
18:42
Deleted Account
18:42
Mine with opencl miner ?
MS
18:43
Matthew Slipper
Where can I find the Opencl miner?
18:44
Here zack opencl miner
18:44
Ok
18:44
Deleted Account
MS
Matthew Slipper 04.03.2018 18:40:50
Wawin you’ll probably have to recompile the gpu miner
18:44
Deleted Account
Ok
MS
18:45
Matthew Slipper
I was referring to the cuda one
18:45
Windows cuda miner
MS
18:50
Matthew Slipper
Yea that one
19:10
Deleted Account
19:10
Mine or not mine
19:17
Deleted Account
is that amoveopool down
19:19
19:29
Deleted Account
Yes
19:30
Deleted Account
can i mine from my laptop on the light wallet ? does anyone have the address
Z
19:36
Looks like 330 seconds per block since the difficulty retarget at 4000.
Amoveo is going strong.
Amoveo is going strong.
MS
19:39
Matthew Slipper
Cool!
Z
19:39
Zack
In reply to this message
it is easier than installing Amoveo full node. https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo-mining-pool
19:43
Deleted Account
mandels pool is down..?
Z
P|
19:45
just now
19:45
ok back up again
Z
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19:45
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
ok
Z
19:45
Zack
great
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19:45
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
thanks
Z
19:50
Zack
17.6 tera-hash per block.
19:52
So the progression was:
24 gh, 700 gh, 17.6 th
It was 30x more difficult at the first retargetting.
it was 25x more difficult at the second retargetting.
Currently 750x more difficult than where we started.
24 gh, 700 gh, 17.6 th
It was 30x more difficult at the first retargetting.
it was 25x more difficult at the second retargetting.
Currently 750x more difficult than where we started.
19:55
Deleted Account
http://159.89.106.253:8080/wallet.html zack this is your pool address right..?
Z
19:55
Zack
yes
19:55
that is the same server that hosts the mining pool
19:55
but the mining pool uses port 8085
D
Z
20:09
Deleted Account
any cuda gpu sw to test with Zacks pool?
Z
20:16
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
witch cuda sw? the Mandels once? did you get it working with Zacks pool?
Z
20:17
Zack
Yes. if you get the cuda miner working, please share the details so we can make a community guide
20:18
Deleted Account
yes it is working with zacks pool i am currently mining with it
Z
20:19
Zack
did you make any changes to the software to get it to work with my pool?
20:20
Deleted Account
No in the bat file i gave your pool address
Z
20:20
Zack
Awesome. thanks for the info Usman
20:20
like this right?
http://159.89.106.253:8085/
20:22
Deleted Account
this is how bat file is
20:22
AmoveoMinerGpuCuda.exe BMnpQfnS0pbR4hOZy26SGRreoUYaZBIHzaRsTiZHxN9xWacbfpweu0CDLE5bZ1MtV179+D9C6dLFix= http://159.89.106.253:8085/
Z
20:23
Zack
cool, thank you Usman
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20:23
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
Doesn't it use different protocol from Zack's pool?
20:26
I tried and it seems to be running (fan spin like crazy). Don't know if it'll actually mine blocks though
20:29
but damn — these GPUs renders my 96 CPU vm useless lol
Z
20:30
Zack
In reply to this message
You could us
Then connect the miner to
You can look at your progress with
make multi-quick to launch a test network on your device with lower difficulty.Then connect the miner to
127.0.0.1:3010 and try to mine.You can look at your progress with
make attach1 then block:height().
Z
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20:34
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
Zack I'll try it in a couple of hours after messing around with the CUDA on windows :)
Z
F
20:35
Francesco @ Simply
In reply to this message
I used this. Seems like its still pointing to mandel's pool, and working.
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20:36
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
Btw I have a script similar to build.sh, but it works on Windows (so I call it build.bat). Only work on CPU tho. Would you like me to make a pool request?
Z
20:36
In reply to this message
I don't know what
Pull requests are welcome.
build.sh you are talking about. Do you mean for the c-miner?Pull requests are welcome.
F
20:37
Francesco @ Simply
Typed my address in his /miner page and its a very high hash rate compared to what I was mining with him before
20:37
Deleted Account
Zack, the argument he's using to specify your pool is for the device id
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20:37
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
yes, for the c-miner
20:37
Deleted Account
mandels pool was down when i started mining but then it could be that he refreshed it and i thought i was mining on zack's pool
20:37
Deleted Account
Advanced Example Usage:
AmoveoMinerGpuCudaPool.exe BPA3r0XDT1V8W4sB14YKyuu/PgC6ujjYooVVzq1q1s5b6CAKeu9oLfmxlplcPd+34kfZ1qx+Dwe3EeoPu0SpzcI= 0 256 65536 http://amoveopool.com/work
AmoveoMinerGpuCudaPool.exe BPA3r0XDT1V8W4sB14YKyuu/PgC6ujjYooVVzq1q1s5b6CAKeu9oLfmxlplcPd+34kfZ1qx+Dwe3EeoPu0SpzcI= 0 256 65536 http://amoveopool.com/work
Z
T
20:38
TownAlwaysGet
mandel's pool is up guys
20:38
Deleted Account
I think since its defaulting to 0 which is the default device id
20:38
and since mandels pool is back up, it looks like its working
T
20:39
TownAlwaysGet
about 7 gh/s
Z
T
Z
20:44
Zack
actually, it looks like we are doing a block every 290 seconds now. Faster than 5 min blocks.
So I think the network has around 60 gh/s
So I think the network has around 60 gh/s
M
20:46
Minieep21
What are you mining with? I'm not sure what my 1080ti is getting as hashrate keeps jumping on Mandels pool
Z
20:52
Deleted Account
my gtx 1050ti get 800mh
Z
20:53
Zack
you are asking about the different between "spending transactions" and "create account transactions."
M
20:55
but it display that i havn't mined one veo yet
20:55
worked for a hour already
Z
20:55
Zack
Mandel's pool found a block. so it isn't just pointing at my pool any more.
M
20:56
Minieep21
amoveopool hash is fluctuating a lot. I don't know if the data is correct.
OK
20:56
O K
Wow guys, lots of catching up to do since I went to bed... this project is evolving so fast!
20:57
Pretty soon you're not gonna be able to be lead dev and lead tech support Zack
20:57
You do a damn good job though
M
20:57
Minieep21
My 1080ti is swinging from 3GH/s to 0.5
Pool is swinging from 60GH/s-6
Pool is swinging from 60GH/s-6
20:59
I don't know how accurate it is. I haven't received any reward yet even though the pool found blocks
MH
20:59
Mandel Hoff
The get work failed time counts against hashrate so when pool is down your overall rate drops. Gpu speed is not decreased when work is available
OK
21:00
O K
It might be time to start looking at giving that discord some love Zack, to split discussions between mining, theory, governance, etc, etc, you could pin things and save a lot of repetition, and let some of us handle answering simpler questions that we've got the hang of
MH
21:00
Mandel Hoff
All work after 2100ish was orphaned trash since no one could stay sync with zack.
MH
21:01
Mandel Hoff
I have very little free time today. I will support as best I am able.
Z
21:02
Deleted Account
woof, discord's an option? The only reason I'm on telegram is for veo
21:04
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
mining with the pubkey generated from light node is OK?
21:04
i didn't use your pool to generate a new wallet
Z
21:15
Zack
21 th every 5.2 minutes is 67 gh/s right now
21:15
Deleted Account
Zack now that the gpu mining us here what are your further thoughts on current state of amoveo
MH
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21:17
Zack
In reply to this message
GPU mining is an important mile stone. I am thinking we have a 40% chance to survive the next 30 days.
The network is growing faster than would be ideal.
The network is growing faster than would be ideal.
21:28
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
isn't mandels pool the only GPU mining pool? why does it still so difficult for us to mine
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21:34
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
In reply to this message
Because the mainnet's only been launched for 3 days :) Some tools need work and the community are working hard on it.
Z
21:36
In reply to this message
Someone started working on this already. I cloned it to my github profile
I also want to get this written.
I also want to get this written.
SS
21:39
S S
Zack I'm an okay erlang dev. If you want me to concentrate on anything specific, let me know. I'm still a novice in blockchain, though.
21:40
Deleted Account
21:40
just got so little veo
Z
21:41
Zack
In reply to this message
A tool for estimating the current block period and hashrate would be great. Average out the last 10 or 20 blocks
MH
21:43
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
Yes, 81 people are mining in to my pool and I got 1 block to share with all of them in last ~20 blocks.
O
21:45
Oliver
Mandel, is there any tutorial available on how to set up GPU miner?
OK
21:46
O K
just install dependencies, download the package, open cmd or windows terminal of choice and change to directory with .exe, and issue the command amogpumineretc.exe public key
21:47
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
do u have the lastest gpu miner running on win10 with 2 nvdia cards?
MF
21:47
Mr Flintstone
we still only have NVIDIA gpu miners?
OK
21:47
O K
"still"
O
21:47
Oliver
How to install dependencies?
SS
OK
21:48
O K
they are listed on his github, visual studio 2015 and cuda 9.1
21:48
just google them, download, install
21:48
O
21:48
Oliver
Only install visual Studio and cuda? Thats it?
OK
21:48
O K
🙂
O
21:49
Oliver
Do i need to install cuda patches?
Z
21:49
Zack
In reply to this message
record.hrl shows how the blocks are formatted.
block.erl gives commands for looking up block by height
block.erl gives commands for looking up block by height
OK
SS
OK
21:50
Deleted Account
C:\Users\lynn\Desktop\miner\AmoveoMinerGpuCuda_Windows_1.0.0.0>AmoveoMinerGpuCuda.exe BI6P588+o1Te3sboDYRv7t3uNLWZZRpzm8i4SPeyHy8lLlpoPNJKoG4z6vDdiQxjHVedUnbdygpvR59OMU6DnV8=
AmoveoMinerGpuCuda v1.0.0.0
GPU Device Properties:
maxThreadsDim: 000000771659E524
maxThreadsPerBlock: 1024
maxGridSize: 000000771659E530
New Work ||BDiff:11320 SDiff:8492
Shared memory is 16448B
blockSize: 256
numBlocks: 65536
Cuda Error: unspecified launch failure
AmoveoMinerGpuCuda v1.0.0.0
GPU Device Properties:
maxThreadsDim: 000000771659E524
maxThreadsPerBlock: 1024
maxGridSize: 000000771659E530
New Work ||BDiff:11320 SDiff:8492
Shared memory is 16448B
blockSize: 256
numBlocks: 65536
Cuda Error: unspecified launch failure
OK
21:51
O K
I just checked them all I'm not sure which are necessary and whicha ren,t but if you don't check any it'll throw a DLL file error
21:51
Deleted Account
errors
OK
21:51
O K
I checked everything under local
21:52
Deleted Account
do u have same error?
OK
21:53
O K
no
21:53
however my fans didn't ramp up... which concerns me
21:53
but it's allegedly mining
21:53
how do you check gpu temps on windows
21:53
I'm used to just typing 'sensors'
21:54
Or msi afterburner
OK
21:55
O K
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Idk man, it's not really clear... I just kinda winged it, I downloaded 2017 actually because I couldn't find 2015 that microsoft didn't throw a fit about... when I installed it I checked NOTHING and got dll erorrs, so I went back and checked everything under local, say three things, and it's working now
MH
21:55
Mandel Hoff
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Sorry, no idea. I haven't done this, so maybe not necessary. I don't know what cuda patches is.
OK
21:55
O K
I got 2017 community
21:55
Deleted Account
me too
OK
21:56
O K
shouldn't the fans kick on though? I'm worried
MH
21:56
Mandel Hoff
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Yes, I have one computer with 2 gpu. The DeviceId command line argument lets you chose which gpu device. I use a 0 and a 1 there for my 2gpu box.
OK
21:56
O K
Is the default just 0, or all available?
MH
21:57
Mandel Hoff
Default is 0. Launch a second command prompt and run second process for deviceid of 1.
21:57
Deleted Account
i lost the 0.7 amoveo that mined by my CPU
21:58
I reinstall my pc. and it is gone
22:02
Deleted Account
Cuda Error: the launch timed out and was terminated
OK
22:05
O K
@Mandelhoff Thanks for your all your hard work, by the way I've tried the link in http://amoveopool.com/miner to add address to bookmark, the link creates a broken URL, it doesn't translate the address
22:05
I've done this on a couple computers with different public keys to no avail
22:06
Deleted Account
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thnks, 2015 is available in microsoft but almost hidden: https://my.visualstudio.com/Downloads?q=visual%20studio%202015&wt.mc_id=o~msft~vscom~older-downloads
22:08
Deleted Account
the difficulty is too high to mine
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22:09
Minieep21
I installed 2017 community version and latest cuda. Restart PC. No problem mining.
OK
22:09
O K
I'm getting launch errors too, crashing, but also trying to run 3 gpu
22:09
1 works fine
22:10
I notice on Cuda download page it says make sure you have latest R390 drivers installed before installinc cuda 9.1
22:11
I didn't do that
22:11
I'm going to try
22:11
(those drivers may have come with the software for my card, but I have not installed it specifically)
22:11
I'm going to try the patches too
22:15
Deleted Account
most blocks are mine by which pool?
22:15
the zack pool?
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22:28
O K
launching a 3rd card always throws another offilne
22:28
"unspecified launch error"
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OK
22:30
O K
then I will get a stupid microsoft dialog, if I ignore the microsoft dialog 2 will continue mining without issue
22:31
if I say "close program" to free up the 3rd terminal, the 2nd terminal will fail immediately when I click close, but not if I ignore the dialog
22:33
Deleted Account
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but your pool only support CPU. but your pool are fast than gpu pool. that doesn't make sense
22:33
mining is too hard for me
22:33
someone wanna selling Amoveo?
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22:41
Zack
I think someone must have found a way to connect their gpu miner to my pool.
Since my fee is only 3%, and Mandel's is 10%
It makes sense for big miners to prefer my pool.
Since my fee is only 3%, and Mandel's is 10%
It makes sense for big miners to prefer my pool.
22:54
no blocks for 1/2 an hour. maybe this is the end
22:56
false alarm. 2 new blocks. we live on
GR
22:58
Gal R
Hi, anyone has a link to a block explorer which shows the current difficulty?
22:58
Deleted Account
It took six hours for the first block when BCH forked last summer...
Z
23:00
Deleted Account
Whats the formula for calculating hash required for block with difficulty ?
Z
23:01
Zack
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https://github.com/BumblebeeBat/pink_crypto/blob/master/src/pow.erl#L42
It has been reprogrammed into all the miners
It has been reprogrammed into all the miners
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23:29
Gonzalo
Zack please, block reward still at 1 VEO per block? And, did you lowered your pools reward?
23:29
Zack sorry Im asking this but I have hundreds of messages pending here. Difficulty is going high also here on the chat
Z
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23:37
Gonzalo
If we reach height 6000, will you change block reward to 3?
Z
23:39
Zack
we can start changing it at any time. I think we should raise it. yes.
23:40
Especially once we get a linux GPU miner that can connect to my mining pool
G
23:40
Gonzalo
nice, thnaks
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Deleted Account
Zack please wait for ubuntu gpu mining to be available, for us linux people :)
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23:52
g61906
hi @Mandelhoff is there a min for payments? is my unpaid 0.00019 too low? (pls don't laugh)
23:55
Deleted Account
is that a possiblity that one day the block reward will be huge.that making the amoveo we mined now worthless
CB
23:55
CeloStarter Bandits
i would also buy for 7 Dollars PM me
23:56
Deleted Account
I have 0.2 veo stuck on his pool aswell, don't think i can mine efficiently anymore with 10mh/s at current difficulty.
5 March 2018
CB
MH
00:30
Mandel Hoff
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Yes, min payout is currently set to 1.0. It will likely be lowered, but there is the tx fee for each payout so it can't be too low.
Z
00:32
Zack
fee is 0.00152000 Veo
00:32
about
MH
00:32
Mandel Hoff
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Launch has been a garbage fire. It will take days or weeks to manually fix payouts for the orphaned blocks. My pool received only a few blocks from 2k to 4k, so expect there's almost nothing to share from that time window.
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00:34
Zack
@Mandelhoff can you tell what is going on with mining?
The GPU code only connects to your pool, so why is so much hash power going through my pool?
The GPU code only connects to your pool, so why is so much hash power going through my pool?
MH
00:35
Mandel Hoff
There are private asic (or more likely fpga) miners that aren't part of the community (anonymous).
Z
00:35
Zack
Does this imply that one person with a ton of hash power is making most of the blocks?
00:36
why
MH
00:36
Mandel Hoff
Yes, absolutely. There's approaching 0 motivation for anyone to participate except that one miner.
00:36
We probably have 100 gpu's on my pool now, and that person is still 50x faster.
Z
00:36
Zack
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yeah, I guess this seems likely now.
I wonder if Amoveo can survive this.
I wonder if Amoveo can survive this.
00:37
What if we do a hard fork to switch to triple-sha256?
MH
00:38
Mandel Hoff
Honestly, I'm very close to shutting down all my miners. It's a huge waste for anyone to participate in the mining. Solo or shared pool.
00:38
Tripple-sha256 is not fpga resistant.
Z
00:39
Zack
How can I get an fpga for mining?
00:39
Maybe I can sell some Veo and use the profit to get fpgas?
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00:40
Gonzalo
Yeah, Im not motivated at all as well. After maintaining 3 full nodes, hiring 5 dedicated servers counting 20 cores, 2 computers at home as well, one with a gtx1060... all I have is 1.x VEO :-(
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00:42
Zack
I helped out a user recently who has 128 VEO that he mined.
So there are people around who did well at mining.
So there are people around who did well at mining.
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00:42
Gonzalo
yeah, probably, nothing to say about
MH
00:44
Mandel Hoff
I would like to commend all of the community participants for being generally upbeat, helpful, and having a positive attitude. I would have never guessed a mostly anonymous chat would be anywhere near this friendly. - But, I'm with Gonz, I have become very unmotivated to play this "game".
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00:46
Zack
1035 BL0SzhkFGF
928 BATman9wDh
664 BCjdlkTKyF
549 BKzdH/S2tb
338 BARmD/Jtjv
333 BMK+iq9hVx
276 BOvlUiLRFe
243 BAwfhwHde+
212 BF7M3qyVlQ
195 BLvrQn16BF
128 BHX8oOyq5u
123 BEUPZZqVe7
87 BAkr/oDfPv
73 BICdY1BAxG
51 BKyLqCvF5v
46 BHpOrYrXCx
43 BOBNV+fVCU
43 BGoRcO232t
42 BMbcy1hJCT
30 BF8i3nrwyE
29 BGqJUIdev2
26 BCRGTI7Sac
16 BMiJ70jHZj
15 BFuPYRbXEr
12 BNZW28XJtP
11 BOTs85pC/A
10 BKHhT3pOKj
9 BGm3aUVRyt
9 BK8i+BBDW9
9 BKV+hn/9S6
8 BGDXGmovuT
8 BEFmMy43iy
7 BAJjbMF6ra
The distribution of account balances seems natural enough
928 BATman9wDh
664 BCjdlkTKyF
549 BKzdH/S2tb
338 BARmD/Jtjv
333 BMK+iq9hVx
276 BOvlUiLRFe
243 BAwfhwHde+
212 BF7M3qyVlQ
195 BLvrQn16BF
128 BHX8oOyq5u
123 BEUPZZqVe7
87 BAkr/oDfPv
73 BICdY1BAxG
51 BKyLqCvF5v
46 BHpOrYrXCx
43 BOBNV+fVCU
43 BGoRcO232t
42 BMbcy1hJCT
30 BF8i3nrwyE
29 BGqJUIdev2
26 BCRGTI7Sac
16 BMiJ70jHZj
15 BFuPYRbXEr
12 BNZW28XJtP
11 BOTs85pC/A
10 BKHhT3pOKj
9 BGm3aUVRyt
9 BK8i+BBDW9
9 BKV+hn/9S6
8 BGDXGmovuT
8 BEFmMy43iy
7 BAJjbMF6ra
The distribution of account balances seems natural enough
00:46
is it really just one person?
MH
00:47
Mandel Hoff
Yes, top 15 wallets are probably like 4 people. I think it's getting much worse even now. Even with gpu tools, one person is 50x the network.
Z
00:47
Zack
The person I helped has 123 VEO, so they are somewhere in the middle
00:48
the top account BLOS is the developer reward
00:48
so everyone else is below 16%
00:51
the top 8 accounts have 80%
MH
00:51
Mandel Hoff
Even with gpu tools, one person is 50x the network. I think this will get worse. I don't think you can inflate out of a 50x dominant miner.
Z
00:51
Zack
we could make the block reward be 1000 VEO.
Then all the rewards before that point would be practically worthless.
Then all the rewards before that point would be practically worthless.
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Deleted Account
i just tested my gpu's with boinc (cuda gpu) so ready for that gpu miner anytime 😃 -- not a crypto project (running ubuntu 16.04 LTS and 2 nvidia gtx 1050 gpu
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00:52
Zack
so do you think we should hard fork to different hash algorithm?
MH
00:53
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
They would get 50x all veo from that point on. One miner with 50x the rest of the community will either stop or keep taking the coins. That doesn't make the system invalid, but it's not very good for encouraging participation.
Z
00:53
Zack
In reply to this message
No, we wouldn't increase the block reward until after we all have access to FPGAs
00:53
00:54
Deleted Account
It just make no sense to mine at all , someone with better gpu miner or asci miner ( how come it develop so quick? ) it just kill the project
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00:55
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
"We all have fpgas" - That's a game some people will play. I will likely not.
Z
00:56
Zack
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I am not planning on mining regardless of the tech we use. I think that you aren't just involved for mining, right?
00:57
Deleted Account
Antonella distributed mining helps network strength and vires in numeris, as with voting. As for how it develops quickly - uses same hash as BTC effectively, easy enough for somebody who knows what they're doing to tune an FPGA
Z
00:58
Zack
And for the same reason it should be fairly easy for us to make a how-to guide on building your own FPGA mining rig
J
00:58
Jim
It if of course Zacks project, but would like to mention that typically protocol stability and distribution are opposing factors, so a balance is needed
G
00:59
Gonzalo
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+1 Of course I dont pretend to compete with anybody owning a few rigs or a botnet, but I think this start has not been very fairly for everybody. Not your fault at all, Zack, but maybe a little more prevision could have been ok. Talking about VEO distribution, BATman stopped using this pubkey many many hours ago, so I expect he's mining behind other addresses for sure.
CB
00:59
CeloStarter Bandits
if this goes same way unbalanced.. governance will be determined by 3 minerd
01:00
Normal miners are off.. Sad. I hope to do more then 1 VEO
MH
01:00
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
I wanted to participate, and I have fun writing a ton of code and participating with nodes and testing. I will almost certainly have to walk away after I lose this arms race. I very much like the derivatives markets - incredible, but any value I can "earn" will be inflated away if I'm not participating in the arms race. Perhaps, (likely and hopefully) others will behave differently.
Z
01:01
Zack
In reply to this message
You made more money from your mining pool than you did from mining. I don't understand why an inability to mine will make you want to give up.
CB
01:01
CeloStarter Bandits
Maybe time for Biotmetric Miners.. Equal shared.. Or only one CPU one address
01:01
anyway as noob i silentio here
J
01:01
Jim
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Those schemes have usually not worked for previous coins due to Sybil attacks
01:02
Deleted Account
The irony of not having a premine is you effectively give away the majority of tokens to the richest early participant xD maybe premine would be better lol + maybe airdrop
CB
01:02
CeloStarter Bandits
yes airdrop... to first miners.. and decreasing over time
01:02
Deleted Account
You can get away from the bad press of a premine, but its effectively the same thing
CB
01:03
CeloStarter Bandits
i know . no solution...
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01:03
Jim
Leveraging dev reward for project bounties has the same effect, and achieves greater distribution
CB
01:03
CeloStarter Bandits
We need to FUD so Big Miners got scare and leave😂
Z
01:04
Zack
If you are unhappy, I recommend you try and sell your VEO. We will learn a lot from the first VEO auctions
CB
01:04
CeloStarter Bandits
so its time for me to turn of 50 CPU Servers
MH
01:04
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
I took about 32 veo fee on my pool so far. If the solution is to inflate that away, and I'm not competitive in future mining. I "lose less" if I walk away right now. Feels a lot like a "sunk costs" scenario.
Z
01:05
Zack
So, there is no hard fork that would fix this in your eyes?
01:06
Deleted Account
To be fair to zack he did say dont invest too much into it. Btw VEO isnt money (not yet anyway). And 32 VEO is a lot to me - I'm struggling to earn 1 ;)
CB
01:07
CeloStarter Bandits
Zack.. I think its not technology its how to build governance system in monopol like system.. It is not possible
01:07
Deleted Account
Obviously inflating that away will suck considering the time investment, site, etc. but them the breaks
01:07
Deleted Account
I have to agree, and want to continue, but we are on our 3rd day, and I made 1 VEO and no more seems likely until GPU mining is released.... my expectations were very low.. I block per day.
CB
01:07
CeloStarter Bandits
got also 1
Z
01:07
Zack
Try to buy some of Mandel's 300 Veo, he doesn't want it any more
01:08
Deleted Account
I offer 300 AMOs (brb minting)
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01:08
Gonzalo
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My 2cts... maybe to start over with a new algo only for CPU/GPU, with miners tested and available before the start for both win/linux
CB
01:08
CeloStarter Bandits
maybe we hardfork.. And give to everyone 1000 for start. Anyone who was in the first 3 Days of Mining
MH
01:09
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
I'm not sure. I'm not thinking very clearly, and I'm probably not the best person to theorize about different scenarios. I'm sort of just code-monkey who likes to play. There are people here with great attitudes and real lives, so I hope the community benefits however this evolves.
CB
01:14
CeloStarter Bandits
I like code monkeys.....
01:18
Deleted Account
Stratum hardfork
MH
01:18
Mandel Hoff
My pool fee is now 1% and block rewards at 1.5. I hope that helps the community. Currently, shared pool gets about 1/50 blocks, so still a rough fight.
G
01:21
Gonzalo
In reply to this message
great, this is a logical consecuence of competition, I hope this will be ok for you
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01:23
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
zack, i think we need to do something so that all people interested in the project can be early stakeholders.
the idea that batman won the first 2k race while no one was even able to sync with the batman node is very demoralizng to everyone that has spent time researching, interacting, writing code, developing ideas for use on amoveo.
the idea that batman won the first 2k race while no one was even able to sync with the batman node is very demoralizng to everyone that has spent time researching, interacting, writing code, developing ideas for use on amoveo.
Z
01:23
Zack
I think I should auction off 100 VEO. the result of the auction will give us a good idea of the state of the project
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01:23
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
i empthize with mandel hoff's frustration, and i dont think asking him to sell and leave
01:23
is a good plan
Z
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01:24
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
im aware
01:24
Deleted Account
there needs to be an incentive to run a full node.. otherwise no one will be hosting the actual database. I'm running a node and mining against it.. i'm running multiple gpus on my system now, and I should be able to get credit for blocks at least I hope so down the way
Z
01:24
Zack
I am desperately hoping to keep Mandel involved with Amoveo. He is driving this project forward.
01:24
Deleted Account
of course.. I"m CPU only right now
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01:25
Zack
In reply to this message
You can run a market place and let people use smart contracts inside lightning channels with you.
01:25
Deleted Account
i dont know if it is possible to choose other algoritmt fpga, asic resistece...
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01:25
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
im not worried about the full node incentives...
01:25
Deleted Account
I think all these problem will be solved when veo is given a value in dollars or btc. Someone start trading please.
s
01:26
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
the blockchain is meant to be used... and if you are using the blockchain for derivatives you will likely want your own full node for your economic activity. it is not just a public ledger like btc
Z
01:26
Zack
In reply to this message
no. you can use the smart contracts from the light node. Very few people will run a full node.
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01:28
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
i was saying that from the perspective of market keeper rather than participant. do you think that holds true for businesses using the chain?
01:28
only wanting a light node
01:29
Deleted Account
@Mandelhoff just increase fee to 10-20% and go back to coding imo - its so early I doubt you'll lose many
01:30
I'd keep using it out of convenience, prefer shares, as long as it works
01:31
speaking of - cuda miner doesnt work, still relying on cpu
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01:31
Zack
you only use a full node if you are hosting a channel hub, or a block explorer, or something like that.
People who use it for gambling or fund raising or insurance or predicting, none of these people need a full node.
People who use it for gambling or fund raising or insurance or predicting, none of these people need a full node.
01:31
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Maybe if cuda was working better, then Mandel's pool would get more blocks
01:32
Deleted Account
Gpu miner is not working ?
Z
01:32
Zack
I don't have windows to test it. I don't know
01:32
Deleted Account
It does work my gpu was 100 percent when i was using it.
MH
01:32
Mandel Hoff
I've had about 6 people show screen shots of the Cuda miner with 175+ mhs. It's working for many.
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01:33
Deleted Account
Its not working because of missing dependencies
01:33
Deleted Account
Now if only we had a ubuntu cuda miner 😢
F
MH
01:33
Mandel Hoff
Yes they gave very kind feedback. That was very welcome to receive nice words.
01:35
Deleted Account
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nice. what about me? can i join? :D it just dumps info and exits
MH
01:35
Mandel Hoff
Trying lowering numblocks to 32768 or 16384
01:36
What Nvidia gpu model?
01:36
Deleted Account
trying - no go
01:36
1080 GTX
MH
01:38
Mandel Hoff
Damn nice hardware. Can you mine with ethereum? Does that work on your box?
01:38
Deleted Account
yah I was mining eth a few months ago, lemme try again
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01:39
Zack
So long as everyone is still hodling their coins, it is hard to justify restarting.
If people think it has enough value to not sell, then I think I should keep focusing on getting this blockchain to succeed.
If people think it has enough value to not sell, then I think I should keep focusing on getting this blockchain to succeed.
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01:39
Minieep21
Satoshi mined 1 million BTC at the start.
We good.
We good.
Z
01:40
Zack
Mandel also seemed to think that raising the reward more would be a mistake.
I guess I wont try adjusting it any time soon.
Of course, anyone is allowed to use the governance mechanism.
I guess I wont try adjusting it any time soon.
Of course, anyone is allowed to use the governance mechanism.
01:41
Deleted Account
how divisible? 18? 8?
01:41
Deleted Account
i built a computer (1. because i had never done it before but 2. so I could run amoveo on a server at my house) I'm not going anywhere I just want to have a chance to mine a block
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01:42
Minieep21
In reply to this message
Thank you for the continued work Mandel, you're really helping the less experienced with mining!
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01:43
Deleted Account
my goal continues to be mine 1 block per day.. if I can do that, then I'm good
Z
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01:43
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
the people alienated are the early adopters that got shut out by the closed gpu mining
01:44
its crippling the community before it even bigns
Z
01:45
Zack
In reply to this message
I think you are in the top 10 of most rich if this is true.
If it is true, you will send me 1 satoshi from your address with 150, and then we would all believe you. BMjV7rAAssU+DGd8w+6XsyDSdgoichddlSipZT3U+jehHSD68UwPdF9TO3HQ0g4hCh2rgUQyqPnP7vP0i/l8Ijw=
If it is true, you will send me 1 satoshi from your address with 150, and then we would all believe you. BMjV7rAAssU+DGd8w+6XsyDSdgoichddlSipZT3U+jehHSD68UwPdF9TO3HQ0g4hCh2rgUQyqPnP7vP0i/l8Ijw=
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01:45
Minieep21
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How many MH/s were you getting on your cards? My 1080ti seems to fluctuate between 150-250
MH
01:46
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
Telsa k80 is about 133mhs. People have shown me screenshots of their 1060 get about 270mhs. My 1060 only gets about 22mhs though, something must be bad locally for me.
Z
MH
01:47
Mandel Hoff
I think 1080ti was reported around 350mhs at the top speeds - not sure.
Z
01:47
Zack
I am agorism1337
MH
01:48
Mandel Hoff
my 750ti gets about 83mhs. That's pretty good for an old, cheap, and very low power gpu.
01:48
Deleted Account
Lol
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01:48
Zack
In reply to this message
That is not my decision. The entire community can participate in the governance mechanism.
s
01:49
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
we have to set the long term block reward, before the market can establish a reasonable
01:49
Deleted Account
I'm just going to gamble that ultimately the reward wont change and there wont be serious failure xD
s
01:49
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
but it is your deicsion, because the governance mechanism is determined by you a batman, bc you 2 control a majority of VEO
Z
01:49
Zack
Amoveo is not a vote. Voting cannot be secure.
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01:50
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
but futarchy is also winnable by large token holders
Z
01:50
Zack
this is the 5th time I gave you this link HS. https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/design/oracle.md
01:52
Amoveo oracle does not use voting.
01:52
It uses Nakamoto consensus combined with a prediction market.
01:53
the prediction market allows for escalation to the point where it is affordable for Nakamoto Consensus to give the right answer.
s
01:53
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
100% yes, this is gnosis ultimate oracle too, except gnosis uses eth, not gno.
Z
01:54
Zack
In reply to this message
it is a little different for us. Gnosis is just one of many apps on Ethereum, so the average user might ignore it.
The Amoveo oracle is a central part of the platform that cannot be ignored.
The Amoveo oracle is a central part of the platform that cannot be ignored.
s
01:54
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
using only veo, you can just pot bet your 40% token supply when the last pot bet was the right amount and gurantee victory
Z
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01:57
Zack
In reply to this message
read the document I shared, and come back with specific questions.
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01:57
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
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if the last raise was 20% of the VEO supply, and i own 40%, i can just win. the concentrated supply is paralyzing at this point.
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01:58
Zack
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the betting is happening inside of Nakamoto consensus. The community can do a soft fork that prevents you from betting in one direction, so the other direction must win.
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02:00
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
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but you are the only community member that matters, because it is your code base. whichever fork you like will be the only fork that matter. long-term maybe not, but short-term that is 100%. if you say you will fork with the vote, then only batman matters, if you say you will fork with your own judgement only you matter
02:00
this is a "good problem" when you have a code base as good as the one you made.
02:00
Deleted Account
It would be nice if there was a community giveaway so we could play with the token.
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02:01
Zack
step 1)
I bet 0.5 Veo that the block reward will go up
step 2) defenders bet 1 Veo that it will stay the same.
3) this escalates until the defenders have no more money to defend with.
4) community updates software to do a soft fork so that I cannot try to raise the block reward any more. so the defenders win.
5) defenders all have twice as much money now. I lost all the money I attacked with.
I bet 0.5 Veo that the block reward will go up
step 2) defenders bet 1 Veo that it will stay the same.
3) this escalates until the defenders have no more money to defend with.
4) community updates software to do a soft fork so that I cannot try to raise the block reward any more. so the defenders win.
5) defenders all have twice as much money now. I lost all the money I attacked with.
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02:01
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
but until the community gains real diversity and strength, the governance will be more theoretical than practical
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02:01
Zack
participating in governance is no more difficult than making oracles or spend transactions
02:02
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that doesn't matter for prediction markets. that is only a problem that exists in voting systems.
02:03
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/design/transaction_types.md
It is a transcation type that anyone can make.
It is a transcation type that anyone can make.
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02:04
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
Zack would you consider a community airdrop to spread around the distribution to make the governance work? i could help organize while also giving myself zero VEO.
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02:05
you can use the governance mechanism to lower my developer salary.
02:06
I wont get any of that money for 12 months
02:06
Deleted Account
Community testnet that is easy to mine would actually make more sense than airdrop tbh.
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02:07
Zack
H S, I feel like you are not trying to understand the oracle. it is not clear to me what your goal is here.
02:08
Deleted Account
they can gain zacks share right?
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02:09
Zack
it is not a voting mechanism, as I told you several times. If you repeat yourself more, or ask the same questions , I will ban you HS.
02:11
The market is only existing to allow the situation to escalate. it doesn't matter if you only bet 1% against me, it can still function correctly.
02:12
If I bet 16%, and you bet 1%, it is still possible for you to win. because the market is embedded inside of Nakamoto consensus.
02:13
Deleted Account
If Zack bet 16% , we just won’t bet against as the code is written by Zack
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02:13
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
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he is saying that 2 chains can be cretaed, like ethereum and etherum classic. and on your 1% bet chain, everyone that likes your side will come with you, so you dont care who won the betting game on the other chain
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02:14
Zack
The betting is just to let the situation escalate so that it becomes affordable for Nakamoto consensus to take over.
If we use Nakamoto consensus for every oracle question, it would be too expensive to run a full node of the blockchain. you would have to sit and read and look things up.
The market mechanism allows us to make a profit for looking these things up.
If we use Nakamoto consensus for every oracle question, it would be too expensive to run a full node of the blockchain. you would have to sit and read and look things up.
The market mechanism allows us to make a profit for looking these things up.
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And only when it is 16% vs 16% I will bet if I have view , otherwise I’m risking too much
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02:15
Zack
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If the question asks "is 1+1 = 2", you are telling me that you can't tell if the answer is true or false?
02:15
you would only attempt to answer that question if the odds were even 50-50?
02:16
Why not? they can easily double their money
02:16
If you know that "1+1=2" is a true statement, then you can double your money by betting on "true"
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02:16
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
only if they know your preference
02:16
and not because of your token holdings, but because of your importance to the project
02:17
vitalik doesnt understand political systems
02:17
if he says that
02:18
oh yea, i forgot
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Deleted Account
Zack didn’t explain how amoveo work , I will only bet when I see like a sure win say 30% vs 16% , so who own a lot become the one who control the network
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02:19
that one
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02:19
Zack
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Yes, this is an issue. But it is an issue that will decrease as time goes on.
02:20
Deleted Account
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I viewed that many times , it seem didn’t answer the questions above
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02:21
Zack
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Why does the number of bets in the market make you feel that it is more of a "sure" thing?
02:21
That isn't how the amoveo oracle works.
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02:21
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
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yes, but the bigger issue is not your power, but the token distrubution if you step back and let the community decide. if you let community decide, you are essentially devolving authority to batman
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02:22
Zack
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the community doesn't decide at the betting level. the betting is only for escalation. the community decides at the Nakamoto consensus level.
02:22
miners are more important than token holders at the Nakamoto level.
And the community is even more important than the miners.
And the community is even more important than the miners.
02:24
Deleted Account
The community ask for a restart or a design let cpu miner can mine a little , does this happen ?
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02:24
Deleted Account
I love the project a lot before
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02:25
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
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i think a restart and/or community distribution event is critical at this point.
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02:25
Mike
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This is the fairest way to launch. This is 100% what I expected to happen at launch. Zach gave us all time to set up our miners and figure out the code
02:26
No complaints with Amoveo at the moment
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02:28
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
Zack I think people love the feeling that they can contribute to mining just by using their own hardware. It make them (and me, of course) feels significant in term of our contributions to the community. Having GPU farm mining at 50x more efficiently just only so that they can make the profit off of this project is kinda heart broken. I know people are feeling betrayed right now exacly because of that. However, whether those opinions contibute to success of the project in long run is completely another matter :)
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02:28
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
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i think whatever maximizes the future success of the chain is a better goal. fairness has a value in a vacuum, but relative to functioning governance, distribution topography is likely more important.
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02:29
Zack
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yes. good point.
Ultimately, we aren't trying to create happy feelings of contribution. We are trying to make a prediction market platform.
Ultimately, we aren't trying to create happy feelings of contribution. We are trying to make a prediction market platform.
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02:32
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
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Yep, and that burden of steering this project is kinda totally on you. Whatever way you choose to go for the sake of the project, some people will be disagreed, and that's ok :) You've been doing a great job so far, and we all have a long road to look after this project.
02:33
Many people in here admire you man, so it's cool :D
02:34
Ok, enough touchy-feely. I'm gonna start building a GPU farm lol.
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02:37
Oliver
@Mandelhoff will you disctribute fractionnal VEO from your pool? I have 0.4 outstanding but wont be mining anymore now that there is GPU...
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02:39
Zack
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I think the trick is, I just need to seem as unstable as possible. That way the community will quickly learn to think for itself.
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02:43
Deleted Account
oh hello
02:43
sorry amoveo community for repeating questions
02:43
I will slow it down and prevent spam hehe
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02:43
Deleted Account
I would like to propose the community and zack
02:44
to please credit early miners proportionately if block reward increases
02:44
if it increase significantly like to 5 per block for example
02:44
better to keep it same for next 6 months at least though
MF
02:46
Mr Flintstone
Anyone gpu mining on aws because they don’t have an nvidia gpu?
Z
02:46
Zack
Why do people keep using my mining pool since Mandel's fee is lower?
02:46
Deleted Account
stability
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02:46
Zack
It makes me think I should charge an even higher fee
MF
02:46
Mr Flintstone
Perhaps more confidence in your node
Z
02:46
Zack
right, my node has crashed less. that makes sense
02:49
Deleted Account
I tried to run my own node but haven't been able to keep it in sync
02:50
oh, hm, it looks like its in sync now. Are we at 4109?
Z
02:51
Deleted Account
oh cool, there are a few things in this I haven't tried
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02:53
Zack
we are up to $2 per Veo https://www.reddit.com/r/AmoveoTrader/comments/81z5kn/auction_of_100_veo_tokens/
02:54
That gives us a market cap of over $10 000.
02:54
Deleted Account
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i have tested 4x 1060gtx and crashes after 10-20 seconds, adn the mgh very poor, 5mgs. did you get runing 3?
02:55
Deleted Account
zack, isn't it risky to be buying VEO when you've given this chain such a bleak percentage of survival?
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02:56
Zack
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yes. it is also risky to mine.
Some people can afford to take on such risks.
Some people can afford to take on such risks.
02:57
in investing, profit and risk are proportional.
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02:58
Zack
1.5 Veo right now.
03:03
Deleted Account
As of right now is there a gpu miner that works with Zack's mining pool?
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03:03
Zack
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I think there is not.
The api isn't very different from Mandel's. There must be a way to make it compatible.
The api isn't very different from Mandel's. There must be a way to make it compatible.
OK
03:07
O K
32 Veo is a lot, imo ... put it in perspective, that's almost .6% of the veo right? 96000 BTC if there are 16,000,000 circulating
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OK
03:08
O K
okay so slightly under estimated, fixed
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03:09
Zack
32 Veo is like 4 hours of block rewards.
Which is like 1/1800th of the rewards in a year
Which is like 1/1800th of the rewards in a year
OK
03:09
O K
1 Veo is like 2900 BTC
Z
03:10
Zack
its only been 2.5 days, so there aren't many Veo yet.
OK
03:10
O K
Right
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03:12
Roger That
@zack - few points. If your protocol depends on reliable oracles then you will need a wide distribution. And preferably no single entity controlling more than 10% of coins. This 10% number is a ballpark, as numbers of coins go up the lower it should get.
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03:13
Zack
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Amoveo uses an oracle design that functions correctly even if one person owns more than 1/2 the Veo.
03:13
It is betting based instead of voting based.
RT
03:13
Roger That
Righ nowt if most coins are going to a handful of individuals it’s worse in the long term imo. And this is not sour grapes, I can always buy, but it discourages folks.
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03:14
Deleted Account
Sticky this please.
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OK
03:16
O K
Put it in a discord channel on oracles and betting
03:16
then sticky it
RT
03:18
Roger That
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Yes but how does the blockchain decide what is true. I read the links and it says the only way this system would work if the oracle already knows the truth.
03:18
Maybe I am not getting this. Care to explain the scenario in layman’s terms?
03:19
Deleted Account
Scroll up a bit
RT
03:21
Roger That
Ok trying to get this. Maybe if I get it will create a document that’s easy to understand.
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03:21
Zack
Nakamoto consensus (invented in bitcoin) is a way for the network to come to decisions. It incentivizes us to agree.
Using Nakamoto consensus to answer questions like "Would it be better if difficulty increased?" is possible, but it is very expensive. The users and miners would have to manually answer that question as part of the process of syncing the blockchain.
We us a market mechanism to allow the disagreement to escalate to the point where Nakamoto consensus can profitably answer the question.
Using Nakamoto consensus to answer questions like "Would it be better if difficulty increased?" is possible, but it is very expensive. The users and miners would have to manually answer that question as part of the process of syncing the blockchain.
We us a market mechanism to allow the disagreement to escalate to the point where Nakamoto consensus can profitably answer the question.
RT
03:26
Roger That
Alright let me understand this and then get back
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03:26
Zack
instead of having so many sub-topics on discord, how about we make a new Reddit thread when a new topic comes up: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amoveo/
03:29
Based on the state of the auction, Amoveo block reward is currently worth about $3.60
we have a block every 1 minutes.
So it looks like Amoveo is growing by around $5200 per day.
we have a block every 1 minutes.
So it looks like Amoveo is growing by around $5200 per day.
OK
03:43
O K
People are still going to want to discuss things, and especially with regard to contributions and troubleshooting have separate chat environments would be beneficial
03:44
Many people are here only to ask about help with mining, having even just that information separate would help
03:44
I went to bed and woke up and was 1500 messages behind
03:46
Reddit is good in its own right as a forum, but even then it's not "active" -- even active subreddits, and it's not organized
03:46
posts become archived even if an issue was not resolved fully
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03:48
Zack
ok, I made a mining channel in discord https://discordapp.com/channels/414738760450834435/419944032693780480
MF
03:48
Mr Flintstone
willing to purchase 250 usd of amoveo for 10 each
03:48
in eth
03:48
if someone is willing to escrow they can take 5-10%
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03:49
Zack
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AmoveoTrader/comments/81z5kn/auction_of_100_veo_tokens/
$250 is enough to buy 100 VEO in the auction
$250 is enough to buy 100 VEO in the auction
MF
03:49
Mr Flintstone
it doesn’t conclude right now tho
Z
03:49
Zack
oh, you want them right away
MF
03:49
Mr Flintstone
correct
Z
03:50
Zack
At the Flintstone price, we are growing by $20k per day
OK
03:52
O K
Are you going to sell them right now at that price?