3 March 2018
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18:05
Zack
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he is not connected to mine any more. now he runs his own.
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18:06
Oliver
Okay thanks Zack!
18:06
I am really impressed how fast we are growing.
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18:06
Zack
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I can't find anywhere online that it says you can't use Digital Ocean for mining. Can you show me?
18:07
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yeah, things are looking much better than yesterday. But that can change fast.
18:10
Deleted Account
https://www.digitalocean.com/legal/terms/ Zack 12.1 DigitalOcean reserves the right, in our sole discretion, to terminate your access to all or any part of the Services at any time, with or without notice, effective immediately, including but not limited to as a result of your violation of any of these Terms of Service or any law, or if you misuse system resources, such as, by employing programs that consume excessive network capacity, CPU cycles, or disk IO
18:11
It is not written explicitly Crypto minign. But excessive CPU cycles seems the same...
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18:11
Zack
That says they are allowed to turn your node off. It doesn't mean they will.
They probably need this, because if their network needs more power, they might not be able to afford to keep your node running.
18:12
Deleted Account
Ok... hopefully that's what they mean.
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18:13
Zack
It isn't illegal, as far as I can see.
It is like a sign in a restaurant saying "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"
18:13
you are still allowed to eat there. just remember they can kick you out.
18:14
Digital Ocean charges by the hour, so I don't think it would cost you much if they did kick you out.
18:15
Deleted Account
Yes it will not cost much . But I have other production VPS on my account. And a termination of my account would be really bad for me ...
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18:15
Zack
don't risk it. there are plenty of vps providers
18:16
Deleted Account
Ok thanks
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18:19
Zack
This mining pool charges 3%. https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo-c-miner/issues
Saves you the work of installing an Amoveo full node and setting up externally accessible IP address.

Here is the main page to learn more about Amoveo https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo
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18:24
thomas s
is there a way to see hashing power in the network?
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18:25
Zack
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Mandel made and hosts this page http://amoveopool.com/pool
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18:25
thomas s
ah neat thanks
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18:57
Zack
All the mining done on Amoveo so far is about 100 terahashes. That is like 1/400 000th of one second of bitcoin mining.
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18:57
Paul N. | BAND (๐Ÿ…‘) - I'll never DM you
Zack The pool charges 3% now, not 30%?
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18:58
Zack
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correct. I lowered the fee to 3%.
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18:58
Paul N. | BAND (๐Ÿ…‘) - I'll never DM you
Cool man ;) Thanks for all the hard work
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18:59
Zack
you can see my node paying rewards on this page.
I am BGDX
http://amoveopool.com/transaction
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19:00
Paul N. | BAND (๐Ÿ…‘) - I'll never DM you
I got 2 blocks back at the block #1500-ish from your pool :)
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19:00
Zack
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great
19:02
Amoveo survived 24 hours
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19:03
Paul N. | BAND (๐Ÿ…‘) - I'll never DM you
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If you are running a solo-mining node, then this error may have happened because you need to turn on and sync your Amoveo node b
efore you can mine. You can get it here: https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo `

This is still normal with public pool?
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19:05
Zack
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That happens if a message fails to get delivered.
If it only happens once, you can ignore it. If it happens a lot, then that means my miner might have crashed
19:06
it did crash
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19:07
Paul N. | BAND (๐Ÿ…‘) - I'll never DM you
oh ok
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19:07
Zack
ok, it should be fixed now
19:07
thanks for telling me
19:07
It is because I did an update a few minutes ago, and I forgot to do sync_mode:normal(). when I turned the node back on.
19:42
Deleted Account
speaking of which, my cloud provider just warned me that if i dont cool it off within 96 hours they will restrict my account
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19:44
Paul N. | BAND (๐Ÿ…‘) - I'll never DM you
Zack Is there a way to limit CPU usage of the miners to certain percentage?
19:50
Deleted Account
You can limit the number of cores to use by editing miner.erl
-define(CORES, 4).
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20:02
Zack
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Cool. Good to know
20:03
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I'll add a customizable sleep statement in the mining loop. Thanks for the suggestion
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20:24
Zack
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Great. Thank you for telling us
21:30
Deleted Account
awesome i just woke up and my node has run without issue for 12 hours
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21:33
Zack
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Wonderful. Glad to hear it.
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21:38
Denis
I'm wondering is it too early stage to start P2P trading? Some people investing in Amoveo indirectly, buying WPS and mining hardware, but will it be ok to start trading now? Direct investitions in Amoveo are pretty risky now, on the other hand the faster VEO will got real value the faster Amoveo ecosystem will grow. What do you think guys?
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21:39
Zack
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For most people trading is better than mining.
21:40
Deleted Account
and did an update, and all looks good..
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21:41
Zack
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Great. Thanks for testing the updated code
21:43
Deleted Account
Now i need an alert to update code. and hopefully leave my computer running without issue
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21:44
Zack
For the next couple of months, it is probably best to update every 24 hours or quicker.
21:46
Deleted Account
first thing i do is update in the morning, and I guess check every so often for an update
21:46
no more creating personal fork every day lol that's cool
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21:47
Zack
We will probably have a hard fork this month
21:47
Deleted Account
sure
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21:47
Zack
I think I'll give everyone at least a week to update, so hopefully they won't be mining on the old side of the fork
21:47
Deleted Account
I'm just running my miner which is fork agnostic... it just runs and maybe makes money one day
21:48
but i try to stay current and only expect to be a few hours running old code any day so no problem
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21:49
Zack
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Great
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22:02
TownAlwaysGet
So i just tried mining with cpu, seems my 20 mh/s is nothing.. lol
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22:10
Greg
can we mine with 2 or more machines on the same address on Mandelhoff's pool?
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22:13
TownAlwaysGet
try
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22:14
Oliver
@gregcrypto I am mining with several machines on the same address and it seems to work
22:14
@Mandelhoff can you confirm?
MH
22:15
Mandel Hoff
Share diff is per address so you might get unusually high "too low diff" errors if you two miners run at wildly diff speeds.
22:16
Otherwise it should be fine.
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22:16
Greg
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thank you I have machines with ~ the same hashrate
22:18
your pool is more stable than yesterday! but I have less balance than what is said to be "paid" ๐Ÿค”
MH
22:20
Mandel Hoff
What address? Yesterday probably put alot of balances in bad states?
22:21
How much less? Spend tx fee reduces what your wallet received
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22:22
Zack
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60x faster than my computer
MH
22:23
Mandel Hoff
Yes your paid diff vs wallet is just off by the spend tx fees.
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22:23
Francesco @ Simply
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I think I have that issue too. My 2 addresses are at NaN on the explorer. One of them has a paid balance on your stats and the other unpaid
22:26
Deleted Account
@Mandelhoff what is minimum payout ?
MH
22:26
Mandel Hoff
It's likely that I confirmed payments on bad blocks that were thrown away yesterday to the crazy low diff.
22:27
1.0 for now. Future can make that config but not too soon.
22:28
Deleted Account
Pool fees is 10% so we get .9veo
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22:28
Greg
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thanks for all the details, maybe you could add it to the FAQ (multiple miner instances, minimum payout...)
MH
22:29
Mandel Hoff
I'll be happy to check your payouts. I can track what block I confirmed payouts and see if that tx was there.
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22:40
Greg
sorry for the noob question but on your miner, when the output is
### NEW WORK ###
H/S: 662859 S:0 S/Hr:0
H/S: 663003 S:0 S/Hr:0
H/S: 663145 S:0 S/Hr:0

how much is the hashrate? (ubuntu 16.04)
22:43
share/hour is 0 because I just started it.
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22:46
Paul N. | BAND (๐Ÿ…‘) - I'll never DM you
@Mandelhoff Your miner doesn't compile on Ubuntu 17.04 (tried this morning)
22:47
Deleted Account
H/S is hashrate per second
22:48
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.66 mh/s
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22:50
Greg
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oh yeah that's it thanks.๐Ÿ˜…
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22:50
Oliver
@Mandelhoff I get the error "ERROR: Duplicate nonce submitted this work item." quite often, I have two machines runing on the same address - could it be the cause?
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22:55
Greg
so each miner on the pool has 56MH/s average. this is enormous. someone is GPU mining like a boss ๐Ÿ˜
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22:56
Oliver
@gregcrypto is there a GPU miner available?
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22:58
Greg
not open source but this is not a big deal for someone like Tromp, Zach or maybe Mandel. Zach already wrote an OpenCL implementation, should be like 2% of the remaining work to fix it for GPUs
MH
22:59
Mandel Hoff
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Yes that's probably the cause. Nonce generation could be done better. It's not not optimal.
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23:01
Oliver
@gregcrypto Ok, that would not be fun... But 56MH/s may not be GPU, I have a 36 core at 14MH/s
MH
23:01
Mandel Hoff
My pool has low diff and dupe nonce verification to avoid attacks.
23:01
That also helps find miner tool bugs too. ๐Ÿ˜‚
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23:03
Greg
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so you're saying that the average miner has 144 CPU cores to mine a project that has a 15% chance of surviving it's first month. 56MH/s is 10 Intel i5 last generation, I don't think this is the average because miners have much GPUs but poor CPUs
lw
23:03
lijun wang
miner:start().
Started mining.
** exception error: no match of right hand side value ยซ"[\"error\"]"ยป
in function miner:unpack_mining_data/1 (miner.erl, line 20)
in call from miner:start_c_miners/1 (miner.erl, line 67)
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23:04
Zack
It could be a problem with the math displaying the numbers. Maybe the average hash power isn't that high.
MH
23:07
Mandel Hoff
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Right. The hash rate estimate values tend to be much higher than actual miner rates. It's even across miner though so it's a "fair" bug whatever the cause is.
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23:07
Greg
or your project is attracting great minds that already have compiled their GPU miner without releasing it. It could makes sense because they can probably generate profits but if the supply is too centralized, it could negatively impact Amoveo and governance decisions.
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23:08
Paul N. | BAND (๐Ÿ…‘) - I'll never DM you
Zack How is the mining algo different from Bitcoin's?
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23:09
Greg
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this could explain part of it but doesn't refute the GPU miner argument
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23:09
Zack
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Amoveo's header is a different size.
Amoveo uses single-SHA256 instead of double.
lw
23:17
lijun wang
httpc:request(post, {"http://159.89.106.253:8080/", [], "application/octet-stream", iolist_to_binary(Data)}, [{timeout, 3000}], []).
{ok,{{"HTTP/1.1",200,"OK"},
[{"date","Sat, 03 Mar 2018 15:17:41 GMT"},
{"server","Cowboy"},
{"content-length","9"},
{"content-type","application/octet-stream"},
{"access-control-allow-origin","*"}],
"[\"error\"]"}}
23:18
what's problem?
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23:19
Zack
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What are you trying to do? Manually contact the server?
lw
23:20
lijun wang
miner:start().
Started mining.
talk_helper, Data, Peer:{ยซ"[\"mining_data\"]"ยป,"http://13.125.123.79:8080/"}
talk_helper, R:"[\"error\"]", {ยซ"[\"mining_data\"]"ยป,
"http://13.125.123.79:8080/",1000}
** exception error: no match of right hand side value ยซ"[\"error\"]"ยป
in function miner:unpack_mining_data/1 (miner.erl, line 20)
in call from miner:start_c_miners/1 (miner.erl, line 67)
23:20
error too
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23:21
Zack
What are you trying to do? run the c-miner?
lw
23:21
lijun wang
yes
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23:22
Greg
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I estimate the hashrate of your pool to be about 1,6GH/s so 20MH/s average. should be almost 100% cpu
MH
23:23
Mandel Hoff
๐Ÿ‘ nice
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23:24
Zack
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I don't know what is wrong. Which server are you connecting to?
CB
23:24
CeloStarter Bandits
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i started an unoffical discord.. But as Zack says.. 15 percent chance of survival...
Z
23:25
Zack
the mining pool uses port 8085
23:27
lw
23:28
lijun wang
8085 is default?
Z
23:28
Zack
yes.
23:29
8080 is for the amoveo full node.
23:29
8085 is for the mining pool
lw
23:30
lijun wang
You can connect it to a full node. Change the url at the top of miner.erl to point to your full node.

fullnode should be open 8085 port?
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23:30
Zack
oh, you are mining with your full node. Then 8080 is correct.
I think you need to do sync_mode:normal(). in your full node.
lw
23:35
lijun wang
thanks
lw
23:51
lijun wang
could not get block 1050 from peer [-7,[-7,51,15,212,91],8080]
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23:52
Zack
Why did you paste this here?
23:52
is something working different from your expectation?
23:52
Could you help me write instructions in Chinese?
lw
23:56
lijun wang
the block seems broken
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23:57
Zack
I still don't understand the problem.
Is it not downloading all the blocks?
lw
23:57
lijun wang
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let me try
23:59
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clean all, and resync all block, seems work
4 March 2018
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00:00
Zack
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great
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00:09
Denis
Tried to run my own full node, but it don't sync. Node automatically downloaded headers, i run sync:start(), node downloaded all blocks( checked with block: height), run sync_mode:normal(). After that it don't sync automatically, only if i run sync:get_headers manually. Port 8080 open and accessable.
Z
00:11
Zack
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What is the url for your Explorer?
lw
00:12
lijun wang
I can't handle this
["mining_data"]
00:12
mining_data request rename ?
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00:18
Zack
It looks like you are connected to the wrong port
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01:03
Pan
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whatis the total supply of amoveo?
01:04
how many coins reward one block now?
MH
01:05
Mandel Hoff
1.0 currently
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01:21
Mr Flintstone
trying to join the amoveopool.com pool by changing Peer in miner.erl to AmoveoPool.com/work, but then the amoveo-c-miner returns โ€œif you are running a solo-mining node, then this error...โ€ when I try to start the miner
01:22
it starts to hash when I mine with the default pool in Peer
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01:23
Minieep21
@Mandelhoff Is there a way to see change in hash power on your pool since mainnet launch?
MF
01:45
Mr Flintstone
got it
01:45
thanks
01:47
Anyone have github link?
01:54
found it sorry
01:55
weird, I am able to hash ~3x faster on zacks c miner
02:08
Nvm I am an idiot
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02:11
O K
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I think the block time seems good right now, 10 mins. 50% increase block reward also seems good if not high (50x does not seem good...)
02:12
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That's awesome
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OK
02:14
O K
To update my node, will I need to shut down the mining pool first, or will it disconnect and reconnect automatically?
02:17
Are any of the following steps unnecessary, are any steps missing?
api:off().
halt().
git pull
make prod-clean ?necessary?

make prod-build
make prod-restart
?anything needed with pool?
02:17
hashtags broke the \`\`\`
02:24
Entereing directory ~/amoveo
Node is not running!
Makefile:144 recipe for target 'attach' failed
make[1]: *** [attach] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory ~/amoveo
Makefile:274: recipe for target 'prod-restart' failed
make: *** [prod-restart] Error 2
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02:29
Zack
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Sha256. The governance mechanism decides he block reward.
02:29
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It should reconnect automatically.
OK
02:29
O K
failed twice, I did whole procedure third time and worked
02:31
... but would not sync, trying 4th time
OK
02:33
O K
4th time success
02:33
I did what that says to do, except you told me personally just use make prod-restart instead of the several commands
02:33
syncing now
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02:57
Deleted Account
Mandel Hoff, what happened with the time stamp from block 2129 to 2130?
03:01
Never mind, it seems like accepted blocks get their timestamp changed somehow.
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03:10
D
@Mandelhoff pool fee on /pool page still shows 9.9%
Z
03:13
Zack
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I lowered my fee to 3%. I think Mandel has not changed his fee from 10%.
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03:14
D
Oh ๐Ÿ™Š
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03:14
Jim
Blocks I think are actually going slightly below 10 minutes. Thatโ€™s a pleasant surprise.
MF
03:24
Mr Flintstone
block reward is actually 1 veo?
Z
03:24
Zack
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yes.
MF
03:25
Mr Flintstone
is emission schedule changeable within protocol?
Z
03:25
Zack
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The block reward is determined by the governance mechanism.
MF
03:26
Mr Flintstone
are there any in-protocol rules on how the reward can change?
Z
03:27
Zack
There is a limit that it can only change by 50% or less.
But this limit is also a governance variable that could change.
MF
03:27
Mr Flintstone
got it
03:27
can the change of this variable be limited?
03:27
it can change by 50% right now. the rate it can change is itself.
MF
03:28
Mr Flintstone
oh that makes sense
Z
03:28
Zack
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/design/oracle.md
The oracle is how the governance mechanism works.
MF
03:32
Mr Flintstone
do you think a one size fits all rule for the change in all the different governable variables might be too blunt for the diverse set attacks that may come from changing the individual variables? maybe if you had a rate change limit on each that would be better
03:32
Deleted Account
Is it normal that I've only got about 1 veo from mining since launch at approx 2mh/sec? Man, this seems like cherry picking ๐Ÿ˜‚
MF
03:33
Mr Flintstone
set of attacks*
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03:34
Jim
8mh/s generates about 1 veo/d now, so sounds reasonable
Oliver invited Murilo M
MH
03:57
Mandel Hoff
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Right - the Unconfirmed block timestamp is adjusting to GMT correctly, so it jumps to GMT when it becomes confirmed.
03:59
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I track metrics that could generate a graph of this, but I don't calculate or have a display for this hash rate through time.
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04:00
Oliver
@mandel: I have a quadcore CPU, but it seems I get same or even higher hash rate when I enter 2 instead of 4 as argument.
MH
04:02
Mandel Hoff
Ok
O
04:05
Oliver
What is the reason?
RT
04:05
Roger That
So I am trying to understand the optimum number of threads to run
04:05
Any ideas?
04:06
If I have 8 cores and hyper threading enabled processor then do I run 16 or 8?
Z
04:08
Zack
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yes, I was considering a design like that at one point.
Blocks would be bigger that way. But maybe it would have been better.
We can add it later as a hard fork if it seems like we need it, but for now I think light and simple is best.
MH
04:09
Mandel Hoff
On my 8 core windows, 7 threads works best for me. Try out different threads amounts and check out the results.
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04:10
Zack
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use a tool to see how much CPU you are consuming. "Activity monitor" or "system monitor" or "top" or "htop"
RT
04:10
Roger That
Cpu usage doesnโ€™t always mean best output.
04:11
For example in yescrypt higher cpu usage means lower performance.
Z
04:11
Zack
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Thanks for telling me, I didn't know that.
RT
04:12
Roger That
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I cant tell if you are being sarcastic ๐Ÿ˜€ but either ways I am largely a noob but have played around with variables in the past for cpu mining. So observations.
Z
04:13
Zack
I have not mined any cryptocurrency before Amoveo.
RT
04:13
Roger That
Also if your miner can let me set cpu affinity itโ€™s easier to figure that out.
04:13
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Ok
04:14
I am running a light node and I have tried x, 2x, and 4x the number of cores. Problem is the mining portal is just giving me the speed from last hash and not a trend or average
04:14
So itโ€™s fluctuating widely for me to make any conclusions.
04:15
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Intel or amd? I have amd
OK
04:16
O K
Does @Mandelhoff 's miner have a way to speed test?
MH
04:16
Mandel Hoff
Trust the numbers on the console to be more accurate than the dashboard. Yes, "last share" hits have a luck variation.
RT
04:16
Roger That
Mandel has a separate miner?
MH
04:16
Mandel Hoff
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It shows hash/second on the console output. It's always reporting speed.
OK
04:16
O K
Gotcha
04:16
Thanks
MH
04:17
Mandel Hoff
Note - the getwork/submitwork is included in the duration, so if the pool goes down the console will report your hash rate slowing down.
04:17
Not idea - but low on my list of fixes.
RT
04:17
Roger That
Where can I find your miner?
04:17
Sorry joined around 12 hrs back
04:18
Windows or Linux. I think Windows hashrate is faster. Might be some gcc compile options I'm missing for the linux build. Not really sure.
RT
04:20
Roger That
Ok I have been miningon your pool only ๐Ÿ˜‚
04:20
With your miner
04:22
Deleted Account
anyone selling VEO?
RT
04:24
Roger That
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Thanks for the job with the pool and the mining build.
MH
04:27
Mandel Hoff
๐Ÿ‘
04:28
Deleted Account
I compiled with -O3 and I got about 3x HS/s
O
04:30
Oliver
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What is 1 Veo worth? That is a difficult question.
Z
04:30
Zack
I want to buy Veo.
I wonder what price I would sell at?
04:30
Deleted Account
$300
MH
04:31
Mandel Hoff
Thanks Ivar! That sounds like what's wrong. I'll try that.
Z
04:31
Zack
You will pay $300 for a Veo Ryan?
04:32
Deleted Account
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Windows miner or linux ?
04:33
Deleted Account
Mac/Linux
04:34
Deleted Account
What is -O3 m
D
04:35
D
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Tells the compiler to optimize for both size and speed
04:36
Deleted Account
300$ is outrageous
04:36
I'd say $10
04:36
Deleted Account
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Oh thanks
D
04:36
D
How much does it cost to mine one Veo?
04:36
Deleted Account
If you mine ethereum. That's what you're getting per day.
D
04:36
D
I think that's a fair price to start at
04:38
Deleted Account
But since veo is quite new and has no real value as it could disappear, it should be worth less
O
04:38
Oliver
I would have guessed something between $10 and $50, it is still a New chain and we do not know how long it will survive. I def. Hodl ;)
04:39
Deleted Account
But then If it doesn't worth much, people would rather hodl. ๐Ÿ˜„
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04:39
Zack
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GREAT thank you. This makes the C-miner more than 3x as fast!
04:40
Deleted Account
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Same as opencl then ?
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04:41
Zack
I pushed the changes. If you use the new version of this: https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo-c-miner
you will mine 3x faster than the old version.
04:41
Deleted Account
Has Mandel update his Windows miner to propagate these improvements?
Z
04:41
Zack
I was getting 0.18 per core before. now it is 0.61
04:41
It takes a lot longer to compile now. like 2 seconds. before was instantaneous.
RT
04:44
Roger That
Can someone please recompile the win miner
MH
04:47
Mandel Hoff
I think the win miner already has this optomized.
04:47
I'm updating the linux build script.
04:49
Deleted Account
Zack in c miner when i did speed test it says per cpu so cpu =cores or cpu = threads ?
04:58
Deleted Account
How long time before a payment is confirmed from Amoveopool? Wallet balance shows 0, and unpaid balance went from 1 to 0.
MH
05:05
Mandel Hoff
What address? Your wallet balance will change before it's confirmed-paid. The pool just waits X blocks before confirming the tx, because the pool will auto-repay if the tx gets lost.
05:06
Deleted Account
./AmoveoMinerCpu 7 BMnpQfnS0pbR4hOZy26SGRreoUYaZBIHzaRsTiZHxN9xWacbfpweu0CDLE5bZ1MtV179+D9C6dLFix/RElzz4po= http://amoveopool.com/work
AmoveoMinerCpu v1.0.0.1
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
05:06
@Mandelhoff did i do something wrong..?
MH
05:06
Mandel Hoff
Address first, then threads.
05:07
Deleted Account
./AmoveoMinerCpu BMnpQfnS0pbR4hOZy26SGRreoUYaZBIHzaRsTiZHxN9xWacbfpweu0CDLE5bZ1MtV179+D9C6dLFix/RElzz4po= 7 http://amoveopool.com/work
05:07
I can just wait and see, will probably be fine, Mandel. Thanks for the reply
05:08
Deleted Account
still get the same error
MH
05:09
Mandel Hoff
Yes, leave off the url argument. it's optional
05:09
Deleted Account
yes it worked
05:10
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thanks man
05:10
In reply to this message
it is bit faster then windows miner
MH
05:10
Mandel Hoff
My build script is updated for the -o3 option for x3 speed boost on Linux. Update for fun and profit:
https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerCpu
Z
05:15
Zack
I wrote a vanity address generator in erlang, but it is way too slow.
OK
05:18
O K
In reply to this message
This would have to be slow right? Otherwise you could vanity address Satoshi's public key
05:21
Deleted Account
is zack c miner working with mandels pool..?
Z
05:22
Zack
In reply to this message
no.
05:27
Deleted Account
gpu mining when
D
05:32
D
In reply to this message
Can you upload to github anyways? Would be a good reference
Z
05:41
Zack
BATman generated about 1 billion addresses to find the BATman address.
My computer takes about 8 minutes to do 1 million addresses.
05:41
Deleted Account
zack what is the context of ur tweets saying that the mainnet will or will not survive
05:42
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
What do you mean ?
Z
05:43
Zack
64**5 is about 1 billion.
"ATman" is 5 characters selected.
OK
05:44
O K
Meaning at your spead, it took how long for him?
05:44
8000 minutes?
05:44
(if we assume the constant speed)?
Z
05:44
Zack
about 5 or 6 days
05:45
im making a more accurate speed test.
05:50
I found a big optimization. it is way faster now. I will push it to github soon.
CB
05:59
CeloStarter Bandits
06:00
333 what is this?
Z
06:00
Zack
looks like 333 Veo
CB
06:00
CeloStarter Bandits
yes but how comes
OK
06:00
O K
IS that from amoveominingpool.com? I don't see that anywhere
CB
06:01
CeloStarter Bandits
yes
Z
06:01
Zack
I don't see it on the list
CB
06:02
CeloStarter Bandits
S
06:03
Silov
In reply to this message
giving a compile error on linux when i run build.sh
Z
06:03
Zack
I see it now. 333
CB
06:03
CeloStarter Bandits
create_acc_tx โ€” whats the difference to spend?
Z
06:03
Zack
That is Mandel moving his funds from his hot wallet to somewhere more secure.
S
06:03
Silov
In reply to this message
"AmoveoMinerCpu.o: No such file or directory"
G
06:04
Greg
In reply to this message
Jesus ๐Ÿ˜‚
CB
06:05
CeloStarter Bandits
lol 333 did keep 90 percent fee?
06:05
joking
Z
06:05
Zack
There have been 2000 blocks, and Mandel takes 10%
So his mining pool alone probably made over 100 VEO profit.
I wonder where the other VEO came from?
06:06
Even if all 2000 blocks went through his pool, he should only get 200 VEO
06:06
Maybe he is mining to that same address
CB
06:07
CeloStarter Bandits
06:07
is this a bug.. or my VEO are draining somewhere out
OK
06:07
O K
oh shit
CB
06:08
CeloStarter Bandits
maybe somebody got our keys.. from mandel pool
06:08
and moving funds..
06:09
hmm... i was wondering why system is keep telling me ... New and not showing my balance
MH
06:09
Mandel Hoff
Most of that 333 was from when my pool was pointed at Zack's node yesterday. I'll have to manually handle those payouts, because my addr wasn't coinbase so auto-pay can't know if my pool got paid for blocks or not.
CB
06:09
CeloStarter Bandits
any reason why my balance is wrong
MH
06:10
Mandel Hoff
I thought it was very unsafe to keep the 333 on my pool account. If a botnet attacks and the network goes crazy like yesterday, then that 333 would probably payout on orphaned blocks.
J
06:10
Jim
Cool, thanks for the clarification
CB
06:10
CeloStarter Bandits
any reason on balance and payout mismatch?
06:11
because it is not payouted in real?
MH
06:11
Mandel Hoff
I'd estimate about 50-75% of that 333 is for my miners, but I'll have to do that math. I have metrics and hash rates all saved, but it'll still take many hours to calculate and double check.
06:12
Payout does not include the spend fee of 15250 satoshi (or whatever it is).
06:12
What is your address? I can check
06:13
Might be part of yesterdays' crazy if the confirmed payment blocks got orphaned.
CB
06:13
CeloStarter Bandits
BC3tGP4rjUuP2VYXLlhlwN0JYGlLyFrE4A5G+6DbDCDa8GZz1wtvdnh2KvACcOwGTSqSkFyquxjW7p0cRaJjLa4=
06:13
my address
MH
06:16
Mandel Hoff
Yes, my block confirmation records show confirmed transactions were paid out - but... those blocks probably were thrown away yesterday during the sub-minute block times
CB
06:17
CeloStarter Bandits
hmm... i am the only one affected?
06:18
i am mining like everybody else
06:18
losing 75 percent of paid out.. lol hurts
MH
06:18
Mandel Hoff
Probably not - yesterday was a complete nightmare. Everything has been perfect since blk 2k1.
CB
06:19
CeloStarter Bandits
MH
06:19
Mandel Hoff
Yes, but likely some or most of the credit you were awarded was lost by the pool too. Pool credit was lost too.
CB
06:20
CeloStarter Bandits
is that my hash power
06:20
i have no idea why it writes bold sorry
MH
06:21
Mandel Hoff
Maybe, seems high, but share-diff hits have luck, so it can spike. Just like blocks now - some are 1 min, some are 40 min.
CB
06:21
CeloStarter Bandits
128?
Z
06:22
Zack
This is part of the reason I set up the mining pool I wrote to never hold customer funds.
CB
06:23
CeloStarter Bandits
hmm..@Mandelhoff all good right now?
06:23
Deleted Account
I have .8 veo unpaid balance on your pool @Mandelhoff but when i see it on explorer it is zsro there
MH
06:24
Mandel Hoff
Yes, everything after block 2k1 has checked out great today.
06:24
Payouts are at 1.0 unpaid balance.
06:24
Deleted Account
So i wont see it on explorer unless payout is done ?
MH
06:26
Mandel Hoff
Right, explorer shows your wallet balance. The 0.8 is not in your wallet.
D
06:38
D
@Mandelhoff can you make miner address in the url work for miner page? Seems like a low hanging fruit for a huge quality of life increase for the miners
06:38
Deleted Account
@Mandelhoff links for downloading cpu miner(linux/windows) they do not work.
RT
06:39
Roger That
In reply to this message
+1
OK
06:46
O K
Zack are there any plans for a pool that distributes workload and payouts per hashrate like typical mining pools
Z
06:48
Zack
In reply to this message
I have a lot of other stuff to get done first. Like GPU mining.

It is still paying out fast enough that we don't need a feature like that.
OK
06:48
O K
In reply to this message
๐Ÿ‘
MH
06:54
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
Click this link to get your miner in the url for a bookmark
06:54
S
07:01
Silov
"Found a block. 1
read nonce n is 2
nonce failed 2
read nonce n is 1
nonce failed 1
nonce 0 error" how to interpret this error? occurs during mining
Z
07:03
Zack
In reply to this message
It says that the C program found a block, but then the erlang program was unable to read any output in the file where the C program was supposed to write it's output.
The file is empty.
S
07:04
Silov
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so means it found an empty block?
Z
07:04
Zack
no.
07:04
BH7clzACknK7QjHB+PVzxP/f3Ar7EHJa9J0X1jAjIVtEzkN7yNEtdniQHiIdDewTNvpahSjacLitk2zr8oVcaSk=
I made one that says "zACK"
OK
07:05
O K
nice! I think it should say BaTZACK
07:05
๐Ÿฆ‡
S
07:06
Silov
In reply to this message
what would be the solution to fix this issue?
Z
07:06
Zack
Tell me more about your situation.
You are using the C-miner correct?
Which operation system?
S
07:06
Silov
In reply to this message
ubuntu 16
07:07
node is on a separate server. syncmode normal with keys unlocked
07:07
i am able to mine on the same server using localhost
Z
07:07
Zack
so you are using a mining pool?
S
07:07
Silov
In reply to this message
correct
07:08
same errors when i point it to your mining pool
Z
07:08
Zack
maybe I messed up the code when I changed the compiler settings
07:08
Thank you for saying this
S
07:09
Silov
In reply to this message
ahh i see
07:09
i also tried mandel's linux miner but that doesnt seem to compile
07:10
i posted the error message a few messages back
Z
07:10
Zack
no, I tested it. the c-miner is working correctly.
S
07:11
Silov
In reply to this message
you tested right now?
Z
07:11
Zack
yes
07:12
I set up a small testnet with 3 nodes and low difficulty on my laptop, and I used the miner to get 6 blocks
07:12
Maybe it is a permissions problem? did you install the stuff as root, and now you are running it as a user?
07:13
Maybe you are doing something else on the machine that uses lots of hard drive, so the miner.erl program can't access the hard drive?
S
07:13
Silov
In reply to this message
nah i'm running it as root
Z
07:13
Zack
ive never tested any of this as root
S
07:15
Silov
In reply to this message
ok i'll try running it as a user
Z
07:16
Zack
you say you have mined before right?
07:16
nothing has changed?
07:17
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/basics/vanity.md
Here is the docs on how to use the vanity generator that comes with Amoveo. you need to update to access these features.
MF
07:20
Mr Flintstone
@Mandelhoff do you need to invoke a specific command to get the 3x hash rate? or ./AmoveoMinerCpu {address} {threads} would be ok?
MH
07:23
Mandel Hoff
Run the latest build.sh to update your compiled file. Execution is unchanged
07:24
Git pull and then sh build.sh
Z
07:25
Zack
7 blocks in the last 10 minutes?
Seems like we have a lot more hash power than yesterday
MH
07:25
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
Strange. Your link here works for me. It loaded up your miner
07:26
The 03 option added a bunch for me
07:26
O3
Z
07:26
Zack
oh yeah, that is why
07:26
I think more people are able to participate now that the block rate is lower
07:37
wow, a ton of mining power just joined my pool. we are getting blocks very quick.
I wonder if we will start having problems like happened during the first 2000 blocks.
07:41
In reply to this message
1 VEO per block.
07:41
We are in the process of increasing it to 1.5
It should happen by block 3100 or so.
I
07:42
Iridescence
Zack's mining pool is dominating now
07:42
Probably about 20 GH/s
Z
07:43
Zack
In reply to this message
right now it is set to retarget to 10 minutes per block. But since people are joining the network so fast we end up going quicker.
The 10 minute target can be changed by the community using the governance mechanism. I don't know what they will decide.
07:43
In reply to this message
It seems like there is only CPU mining for now.
07:44
In reply to this message
My plan doesn't matter. it is not my decision. the community decides.
07:44
In reply to this message
It uses SHA256 single hash. there will be ASICS in the coming years.
07:46
In reply to this message
There is a founder reward. it is set by the community using the governance mechanism. it is currently 16.6% of the block reward.
07:46
In reply to this message
there is no voting. yes governance works now.
I
07:46
Iridescence
Looks like BKzdH is a new big hasher
Z
07:47
Zack
In reply to this message
I had many more commits in other repositories. Aeternity deleted a lot of my work from the last year.
07:47
In reply to this message
read the article I linked you to. oracles.md
07:47
In reply to this message
you can reduce by 50% at a time. so eventually we could get that low. ye.
I
07:47
Iridescence
Zack was the original lead dev for Aerternity
Z
07:48
Zack
In reply to this message
this is high risk experimental software. It will probably break.
07:49
In reply to this message
Well, I wrote 95% of the code. and I wrote most of it before I started working with Aeternity. And Aeternity did not pay me the agreed upon amount for writing it.
07:49
In reply to this message
I linked you an article. I am not going to copy paste the article into telegram for you.
07:50
In reply to this message
I rewrote everything to be customized for the new design. It has turing complete contracts inside the lightning network.
I
07:50
Iridescence
Blocks are now being mined every minute
Z
07:50
Zack
In reply to this message
I have been with Aeternity and Augur during ICO. it seems to me that the ICO ruins the incentives and makes the project do worse.
MH
07:56
Mandel Hoff
Oh good, block propagation crashed my node again. Ws perfect 24 hours until speed miner joined your pool.
07:56
Deleted Account
mandel your pool is down
07:57
In reply to this message
there is a post about it from zack today
07:57
or yesterday
k
07:58
kdmlll
Does anyone know what the payout threshold is for zacks pool?
07:59
Deleted Account
crap. mine probably went down too.
Z
07:59
Zack
In reply to this message
I listed 4 ways it could break here.
07:59
Deleted Account
3%
Z
07:59
Zack
In reply to this message
I pay out 97% of the reward, and I keep 3%.
07:59
In reply to this message
then please do not invest.
I
07:59
Iridescence
And yet you want to buy its tokens ๐Ÿง
Z
08:00
Zack
Please don't sell any tokens to HS until they understand what we are trying to do.
08:00
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
Go into the github and do some reading
Z
08:01
Zack
read the white paper. it is in there.
J
08:01
JasonWW
In reply to this message
Zack, what's the link for your pool? I only see Mandel's pool
Z
08:01
Zack
In reply to this message
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/progress_reports/March_2018.md
Here is a comparison of Oracle/Market type blockchain projects.
08:03
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
You say you donโ€™t understand and then have an opinion? This is crypto lol
MH
08:03
Mandel Hoff
Zack, this speed mining keeps crashing my node again. I'm sure everyone else will have dead nodes too
I
08:04
Iridescence
My node is still up and running
k
08:04
kdmlll
In reply to this message
Sory, I meant how much amoveo must I accrue before it is paid out to my address?
I
08:04
Iridescence
The new player is finding blocks really quickly
08:05
I think either using multiple GPUs or ASIC
08:05
Probably multiple GPUs
Z
08:05
Zack
In reply to this message
yes. I am sorry for the poor service.
The network is growing so fast now, retargetting can't keep up.
I think it is probably a good problem to have.
I
08:05
Iridescence
I will keep working on my CUDA miner
Z
08:06
Zack
In reply to this message
The oracle in Amoveo is connected to the consensus mechanism in a way that would be difficult or impossible on Ethereum.
08:06
In reply to this message
you only get paid if you find a block.
k
08:07
kdmlll
In reply to this message
I see. Thanks
Z
08:08
Zack
I think the network is around 25 gigahashes per second
MH
08:08
Mandel Hoff
I'm making payout delay 1000 blocks delayed on my pool until we sync a new diff at 4k blocks while this miner is wrecking the network.
Z
08:09
Zack
In reply to this message
probably about 2 mh/s
So the network is like 10k macbook pros.
RT
08:10
Roger That
Not ASICS. Gpu and cloud mining.
08:10
Also ryzen does well
Z
08:10
Zack
I don't think so. The entire history of Amoveo is less than 1/10,000th of a second of bitcoin mining.
RT
08:10
Roger That
Threadripper keeps flipping between 20 and 200mh
08:11
Just with dual channel memory. So not at 100% efficiency. It needs quad
08:12
Why is this channel called amoveo 2?
MH
08:12
Mandel Hoff
To anyone using amoveopool.com: Block times are much less than propagation times now due to the new miner. Due this this, I'm pointing the pool at Zack's node else the pool will always be working on orphaned work.
Z
08:12
Zack
In reply to this message
I lost moderator status in the first one.
RT
08:13
Roger That
Zack - any reason you picked sha?
08:13
In reply to this message
Ok. Seems thereโ€™s a story there but I wonโ€™t ask.
Z
08:13
Zack
In reply to this message
It might have been a mistake.
My thinking was that it would take less effort to develop an ASIC for SHA256, since there are already other SHA256 ASICS.
08:14
In reply to this message
I switched countries and broke my phone.
RT
08:14
Roger That
Oh ok
08:14
Simple enough
08:14
Deleted Account
Ok my node is at 2256
Z
08:14
Zack
The sooner we have ASICS the better it will be for Amoveo
08:14
Deleted Account
looks like itโ€™s still running
Z
08:14
Zack
In reply to this message
great. thanks for telling us
Deleted joined group by link from Group
RT
08:15
Roger That
In reply to this message
I am not sure about that. The energy consumption factor is a much maligned one
Z
08:16
Zack
In reply to this message
I feel that every transition in mining tech causes damage. And the sooner we can do the transition, the less damage it will cause.
Better to be using ASICS in year 2, instead of trying to switch in year 6.
MH
08:16
Mandel Hoff
My node is sort of keeping up but all work would still be completely orphaned. It'll probably crash about every hour of this too based on yesterday.
RT
08:17
Roger That
In reply to this message
Ok but memory hard algo can just keep this cpu dependent for a long time.
Z
08:18
Zack
In reply to this message
As far as centralization is concerned, it doesn't matter how few miners there are.
What matters is the profit margin of the average miner. Big profit margin = centralized, small profit margin = decentralized.
08:18
In reply to this message
yeah, kicking the can down the road will lead to an even bigger problem in the future. We should solve all the problems now, so that we wont worry about the future.
08:19
In reply to this message
What are you trying to install?
RT
08:19
Roger That
In reply to this message
Alright, itโ€™s your call anyways. Good stuff overall. So thanks ๐Ÿ˜€
MF
08:19
Mr Flintstone
Zack, is there any way to see amount owed from your pool?
Z
08:19
Zack
In reply to this message
no. if you find a block, it pays you. if you do not find a block, you do not get paid. I never hold money for you.
MF
08:20
Mr Flintstone
I c
Z
08:20
Zack
In reply to this message
which operating system are you using? it has instructions for installing erlang to ubuntu. if you use a different os, then installing erlang might be different.
08:24
I just updated the readme to make dependencies more clear
08:24
the readme also explains how to do speed tests
MF
08:24
Mr Flintstone
@Mandelhoff your pool is safe to use rn?
08:24
you do multiplication
Z
08:25
Zack
look at the readme. it explains how to connect to the mining pool.
08:26
criticism is welcome here
08:27
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
I'm Mining there. The miners seems to be working correctly. But I see no evolution on The dashboard... So something is broken .
Z
08:27
Zack
Better that we should speak clearly and understand each other, rather than being polite and confused
08:27
In reply to this message
When the blocks are too fast like this, it can make some of Mandel's tools stop working.
It is probably my fault for not making the block propagation faster.
08:28
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
Ok thanks!
MH
08:30
Mandel Hoff
Yes block times are currently a few seconds which wrecks propagation. Mining anywhere except Zack pool until the block 4k reset is pointless due to this.
I
08:31
Iridescence
Zack's pool is also not shared payout so all payouts will go to the sole miner
MH
08:31
Mandel Hoff
After 4k, mining against this other miner is near pointless too. He's 20x the rest of the network by himself.
Z
08:31
Zack
In reply to this message
you get paid 97% of the block reward if you find a block in my pool.
I
08:32
Iridescence
In reply to this message
But if I don't, I get nothing
Z
08:32
Zack
In reply to this message
this is an issue.
MH
08:32
Mandel Hoff
Single miner 20x the rest of the network... for real.
Z
08:32
Zack
how can you tell?
08:32
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
Who is this Miner you are talking about ? BATman ? A new one ?
MH
08:32
Mandel Hoff
New addresses. Makes batman look slow.
I
08:33
Iridescence
Miner address is BKzdH...
08:33
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
Thanks
Z
08:33
Zack
oh yeah, it is bkzdh every time
08:34
Maybe this will kill Amoveo. They will bring us to 4k blocks, and then we will freeze
I
08:34
Iridescence
Probably around 30 GH/s hashrate
08:34
Or so
08:34
Depends if they keep on mining
Z
08:34
Zack
yeah, you are right
08:35
I wonder how much power they have.
Maybe this is only a fraction of their capabilities, and they are purposefully going slow so that we can all keep up.
MH
08:36
Mandel Hoff
Maybe. Batman seemed like he was slow rolling. All his block times were about 1 mintue today.
08:36
Deleted Account
Leave the block reward low and wait for open source gpu miner and release it just before 4k block. Hopefully the network hashrate will be more then that single entity and then increase thr block reward that way hopefully he would have his mined veo with closed source gpu miner be very expensive
MH
08:37
Mandel Hoff
Gpu would be about 50mhs. This is many ghs.
Z
08:37
Zack
In reply to this message
yeah, maybe we should leave the block reward low for now. you have reason.
We should raise it when the better hardware is available.
08:37
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
โœŒ
MF
08:37
Mr Flintstone
isnโ€™t this dude about to be able to vote whatever he wants?
08:38
or does the governance work some other way
Z
08:38
Zack
I think that most Intel based hardware today has optimization for computing SHA256.
We should optimize our C code to use the SHA256 opcode, rather than doing SHA the long way with a library.
This makes your computer almost like an ASIC.
08:38
In reply to this message
It works differently from that.
The community decides, it doesn't matter how rich he is.
08:39
In reply to this message
Amoveo does not use voting.
08:41
In reply to this message
read the readme.
08:41
In reply to this message
I didn't mine with bitcoin. I don't know what you mean.
08:42
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
You change the address of peer to your desired address.
Z
08:42
Zack
you write a pubkey in the file. that is your own pubkey.
The peer is a url, not a pubkey.
08:45
Deleted Account
Zack . What if I connect many miners to your pool and specify the same pubkey for all miners . Will it takes less time for my miners to find a block ? Or each one is working alone ?
08:46
Deleted Account
Zack, I'm under the impression that openssl already uses intel SHA extensions for Goldmont CPUs
Z
08:46
Zack
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That is fine to do. it will not slow your miners down.
08:46
Deleted Account
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Api:pubkey().
Z
08:47
Zack
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api:pubkey().
08:47
Deleted Account
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Thanks but it will not increase the chance to find a block more quickly right? 1 Miner = 1 week. 7 Miner = 1 day ?
08:48
Deleted Account
What's preventing the miners from manipulation of transaction fee?
Z
08:48
Zack
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if you have more miners, you will find blocks faster.
08:48
Deleted Account
Whatโ€™s the net hashrate now?
Z
08:48
Zack
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The transaction is signed. if the miner edits any part of the transaction, it would make the signature invalid. then it could not be included in the block.
08:49
Deleted Account
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Ok thanks
Z
08:49
Zack
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I don't know. how many blocks in the last 20 minutes?
MF
08:49
Mr Flintstone
like 40?
08:49
Deleted Account
I mean more specifically changing the transaction fee variable via oracle mechanism
MF
08:49
Mr Flintstone
lol
Z
08:49
Zack
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save a copy of your encrypted private key
_build/prod/rel/amoveo-core/keys/keys.db
08:50
Deleted Account
2 blocks per minute nice
I
08:50
Iridescence
Not nice
08:50
After 4k blocks difficulty will be much higher
MF
08:50
Mr Flintstone
is there an emergency difficulty adjustment?
08:50
Deleted Account
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Ofcource. Difficulty will boost
Z
08:51
Zack
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The governance part of the fee gets deleted. so they wouldn't want to do that.
I wrote about oracle stuff here : https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/design/oracle.md
I
08:51
Iridescence
Maybe 15k
Z
08:51
Zack
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sure with keys:pubkey().
08:51
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default password is "" the empty string.
08:51
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yes. Amoveo might die at that point.
08:52
Deleted Account
If he keeps mining till 4k then 20x
08:53
Deleted Account
let's think how to price VEO... i may stop mining and just buy from everyone
Z
08:53
Zack
oh, it should be amoveo_core not amoveo-core
08:54
Deleted Account
There are a couple factors that effect the price 1) the cost of mining is relevant. Miners shouuld have small profit relative to the price of mining, however there is a factor of reward increases that are very likely, so in some way mining too much right now is a waste of money so mining would not be profitable
I
08:54
Iridescence
The insidious thing about overwhelming hashrate is that even if despite the high difficulty you find a block, it is unlikely that you will be able to get that block included in the blockchain since the person with overwhelming hashrate will just mine a chain that's longer than yours and doesn't include your block
08:54
Deleted Account
I was hoping to mine veo, but doesnโ€™t look like thatโ€™s going to be possible, all the blocks are going to go to 2-3 people
08:54
Deleted Account
I think mining 1 VEO right now costs much more than $10, but I don't think $10 is a good price for VEO either
08:55
Deleted Account
zack you left in your miner the peer pointing to local and port 3011 i dont know if you did it on purpose
Z
08:55
Zack
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oh yeah. thank you. that is not the correct default.
08:56
Deleted Account
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Yes.. after 3 days you mine a block, and then itโ€™s overwritten... yep that sounds like itโ€™ll happen for sure
Z
08:57
Zack
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correct.
08:57
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yes. it is encrypted.
08:57
Deleted Account
I was hoping to get at block a day :(
Z
08:57
Zack
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it is already in the right format. save the file.
08:58
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yes. that is normal.
08:58
it is encrypted.
08:59
Deleted Account
Wait what happens if we get gpu miner to work and we mine along with BATman. Pool will go down so we mine solo. Wouldnt block propagation become major issue then ?
Z
08:59
Zack
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you can connect gpu miners to a pool too.
09:01
Deleted Account
The trick to reducing the hash rate is to eliminate early mining incentives by having larger reward inflation
09:01
which seems is already under way
09:02
when you start with 1 VEO reward, and then it becomes 2, 4, 8, and that's the expectation, it discourages mining since you are essentially paying twice as much
MF
09:03
Mr Flintstone
I wonder how much this person has spent to do this
MH
09:03
Mandel Hoff
Gpu is almost pointless now. Gpu would be about 50 to 80mhs and this person is running many ghs.
09:03
Deleted Account
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BATman still mines like 20x hash power so the issue remains.
09:04
I get around 8 mhs with optimised cpu miner
09:04
Deleted Account
Well maybe you could reduce the mining reward instead, until those coins get sold and the distribution is more balanced
MF
09:04
Mr Flintstone
How many threads?
09:04
Deleted Account
but do we care about the distribution?
09:04
Who cares if one person owns 70% of the coins?
09:05
The incentive to collect that much VEO must be to sell them
09:05
Deleted Account
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Yeah thats fine if someone buys but he is own 70% hashpower. What incentive is there for rest of miners then
MF
09:05
Mr Flintstone
or just to kill the network
09:05
the difficulty increase is gonna be rough
I
09:06
Iridescence
I want to take a quick poll - How many of you here have Ubuntu and have an NVIDIA GPU?
09:06
Deleted Account
Well that's why the community shoudl mine at a loss
MF
09:06
Mr Flintstone
but it could be manageable with gpus
09:06
Deleted Account
it reduces profitability of mining so much
09:06
Deleted Account
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I do and i can use my lap to temporarily increase gpu hash by 8 fold per day
09:06
Deleted Account
so lets say VEO is $1 each
Z
09:06
Zack
If it dies, we can restart with a different hash algorithm I guess. Maybe SHA256 then SHA512 then SHA256 a second time.
MF
09:06
Mr Flintstone
maybe w/ gpu we only have 20-30min block times
09:06
Deleted Account
obviously anyone mining right now is effectively burning money
I
09:07
Iridescence
anybody here have a Titan V? XD
09:07
Deleted Account
so would a miner with 70% stop mining?
09:07
would miners intentionally mining at a loss stop mining?
09:07
Deleted Account
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HA ha ha
MF
09:07
Mr Flintstone
im gonna keep mining
09:07
w/e
09:07
Deleted Account
Community members mining at a loss is a good thing
09:08
You hopefully recoup that through price appreciation anyways, but professional miners can't hold on for that long
09:08
Since they probably dont have the liquidity for it
09:08
Deleted Account
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I do
09:08
Deleted Account
So yeah, we should all be mining at a loss and set the price of VEO at $1
Z
09:08
Zack
The attacker has about 127 coins so far.
That is less than 10%.
09:09
Deleted Account
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Its probably BAT with diff address
Z
09:09
Zack
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the c-miner connects to the public pool by default. download the new version of the c-miner, I just fixed this.
09:10
Can everyone say how many coins they have mined so far? Lets get an idea of how bad the attack is
09:10
Deleted Account
.8
09:10
Deleted Account
1
09:10
Deleted Account
0.45
09:10
Deleted Account
1
09:11
Deleted Account
15
I
09:11
Iridescence
133 VEO so far
09:11
Deleted Account
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wow I"m jealous lol
I
09:11
Iridescence
through Zack's pool
09:11
Deleted Account
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This is the first time i have seen his text.
I
09:11
Iridescence
oh
09:11
that's not me
09:11
I thought you were asking about the large miner now
09:11
hahaha
09:11
Deleted Account
:P
I
09:11
Iridescence
30-40 GH/s
09:11
approx
09:12
Deleted Account
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What hardware are you using ?
I
09:12
Iridescence
maybe 50
09:12
Deleted Account
cpu
09:12
Deleted Account
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How many ? Specs ?
09:13
One cpu on steriods ??
09:13
Deleted Account
I have 6 machines mining with 7 cores each and I'm sitting at about 4 VEO
09:13
Deleted Account
many cpu
09:14
Deleted Account
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You have 133? Srs
I
09:14
Iridescence
NO
09:14
I was talking about the latest miner
09:14
the one that's dominating now
09:14
lol
09:15
Deleted Account
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whats your setup?
09:15
Deleted Account
i was mining with cloud mining, but i couldn't justify the cost.. I built a computer just for this project, so I can mine forever..and we can do 20 restarts without incurring additional costs.
I
09:15
Iridescence
that's not me
09:15
50 GH/s is my estimate of the current network hashrate
09:15
not my hashrate
Z
09:15
Zack
92810750192 BATman9wDh
57924904040 BL0SzhkFGF
33300000000 BMK+iq9hVx
27627850723 BOvlUiLRFe
20997220765 BCjdlkTKyF
12638699320 BKzdH/S2tb
12373931110 BEUPZZqVe7
4767684435 BKyLqCvF5v
4277713616 BMbcy1hJCT
3025439286 BF8i3nrwyE
2696688993 BGqJUIdev2
2674484994 BCRGTI7Sac
1944415280 BARmD/Jtjv
1690111801 BMiJ70jHZj
1503970099 BFuPYRbXEr
1234558355 BNZW28XJtP
1150051268 BOTs85pC/A
1003339320 BKHhT3pOKj
I
09:15
Iridescence
Mandel's pool was mining at around 10-20 GH/s
09:16
Deleted Account
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to the <ipaddress>/wallet.html and /explorer.html > and look
Z
09:16
Zack
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yes. that is the only mining pool which is generating blocks right now.
09:17
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false.
09:18
that is the part of the miner compiled from C language.
09:18
Deleted Account
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Is this the rich list?
Z
09:19
Zack
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yeah, these are the richest accounts.
09:19
Deleted Account
so 92 VEO is the biggest account?
09:20
or is that 928
Z
09:20
Zack
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ill reformat it to display in VEO. one minute.
09:20
Deleted Account
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928
SS
09:20
S S
Trying to run a full node. Sync stuck at block 1050
Z
09:20
Zack
928 BATman9wDh
579 BL0SzhkFGF
333 BMK+iq9hVx
276 BOvlUiLRFe
209 BCjdlkTKyF
126 BKzdH/S2tb
123 BEUPZZqVe7
47 BKyLqCvF5v
42 BMbcy1hJCT
30 BF8i3nrwyE
26 BGqJUIdev2
26 BCRGTI7Sac
19 BARmD/Jtjv
16 BMiJ70jHZj
15 BFuPYRbXEr
12 BNZW28XJtP
11 BOTs85pC/A
10 BKHhT3pOKj
9 BAwfhwHde+
09:20
Deleted Account
How about letting BATman and other anon mine while we Relaunch amoveo with diff algo and he can keep 100% to himself and keep mining ๐Ÿ˜‹ waste his electricity.(just random opinion).
09:20
Deleted Account
well its 100 million per veo
09:21
Deleted Account
I guess I don't see why we should care that batman has ~50% of the supply
SS
09:21
S S
Yeah that's what I'm doing
09:21
Deleted Account
If the hash is a problem we should put up more miners and mine at a loss
SS
09:21
S S
Tried changing the peers. Didn't work
Z
09:22
Zack
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do sync:start(). again.
The network is a little busy now, so it will take more than one try.
09:23
Deleted Account
Ryan are you the BAT?
SS
09:23
S S
Okay
09:23
Deleted Account
no
09:23
i have 9.2 veo
09:23
and I probably spent $300 to get it
Z
09:23
Zack
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so you are on the rich list then
09:23
Deleted Account
im not on the list you sent
09:24
Deleted Account
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Thats expensive. You should rather buy then mine.
09:24
Deleted Account
Oh, you're selling?
09:24
nobody is selling :)
09:24
but i tend to agree, i think im burning money
09:25
however, if we think hash is a real problem, then it should be preferred for us to mine at a loss right now
09:25
and its probably always correct to mine at a loss
09:25
Deleted Account
How can we sell bat own 70% now do you see the problem?
09:26
Deleted Account
what bat owns doesnt influence what you can sell
Z
09:26
Zack
It seems that the anonymous miners will mine a little more, then they will want to make the tokens valuable.
So they will share with us the hardware/software that they used to mine.

If this is their strategy then they would do better to tell us sooner rather than later.
The longer they wait, the easier it will be for us to use the governance mechanism to make their tokens worth less in comparison.
MF
09:27
Mr Flintstone
Ryan did you use aws?
09:27
Deleted Account
Having large holders puts downward pressure on price because people get concerned of the impact of low lliquidity combined with large sells. This is the only reason why anyone would care that there is 1 large holder
09:27
Increasing the reward before the network has diversified mining doesn't seem to add much value
Z
09:27
Zack
I guess we should wait till block 8000 to figure out if this is an attack, or if the anonymous person loves Amoveo.
09:27
Deleted Account
But might signal a deterrence to mine for profit
09:28
Deleted Account
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If he loves amoveo he should restrain himself a bit lol
09:29
Deleted Account
Ryan how long have you been mining ?
09:29
Deleted Account
since launch
09:29
though day 1 I kinda sucked and made mistakes
09:29
I don't know why anyone would want 50% of the supply, it's actually bad as an owner
09:30
Deleted Account
300$ in 1 day are you related to bill gates or something ?
09:30
Deleted Account
To be a "whale" you really dont want more than 5% under any circumstance, a healthy size whale would be 3%
09:30
If you have 50% of the supply you can never sell it, so whats the point of that
Z
09:30
Zack
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Twitter says that 10% of my followers make more than $500k per year.
09:31
Deleted Account
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My goal is to be one of that 10% now
09:31
Deleted Account
yeah, one thing worth considering is that many 2017 altcoin millionaire that want to diversify into VEO would want ot invest like 30-50K into it
09:31
its a negligle amount for diverisifcation
09:32
but obvious makes a huge splash in a brand new proof-of-work coin
Z
09:32
Zack
Maybe they want to stay anonymous for tax reasons.
09:32
It would be nice if we could just talk to them
09:32
Deleted Account
batman may have spent less than 10K so far to get 50%
09:33
Deleted Account
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I believe someone nail the GPU code
09:33
nailed
09:33
Deleted Account
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Actually it would be much healthier for network if he buys rather then mine with that money.
Z
09:34
Zack
Amoveo is going to be distributed for a long time. Investing all your money on the first day is odd.
but I guess the difficulty is lower now, so maybe it makes sense.
09:34
Deleted Account
yeah, but there is the reality that most day 1 miners will not sell
09:34
Deleted Account
there was a event a couple days before launch with someone who mined at a super fast rate for 20-30 min and then stopped.. that was probably a test run
09:34
Deleted Account
selling will likely start to become normal 3 months from now
Z
09:34
Zack
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I disagree. I think is is better if whales mine, or pay for mining. that way the market cap grows.
09:34
Deleted Account
The optimal time to buy amoveo is when the supply reaches "standard" amounts and when mining rewards start to decline
09:35
but I guess that wont happen for a year
09:35
where standard could be anywhere between 21 million and 1 billion, so its pretty tough to figure out when supply creation will slow
09:36
on the other hand, maybe amoveo just says a low supply coin forever
09:36
could be odd, but theres no real reason why that couldnt happen
J
09:36
Jim
Redenominate to mVEO? Not too difficult I assume.
09:37
Deleted Account
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If he buys at much higher price wouldnt it make good price for veo while it will encourage other miners to joins n incentize them as well.
09:37
Deleted Account
people already do that in reverse for things like IOTA
Z
09:37
Zack
It is meaningless how many tokens there are.
How much money was spent mining does matter.
09:37
Deleted Account
yeah i agree with that
Z
09:37
Zack
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you are right.
09:39
At this point it seems like there are 2 possibilities:
1) Someone is using better hardware. This would be a disaster for Amoveo.
2) Some people are anonymously investing excessive amounts of money in Amoveo. This would be a good thing.

I think the only way to tell is if we wait a couple more weeks, and look at the price of VEO in an open market.
The price will give us an indication of how much miners have been spending on mining.
09:40
Deleted Account
so how much hash has been used on VEO so far since genesis?
09:40
or an estimate
09:40
Deleted Account
Z
09:40
Zack
I think 300 gigahashes
09:40
Deleted Account
anything wrong๏ผŸ
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Z
09:41
Zack
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yes. someone is attacking the network by mining too fast. Amoveo might die.
09:41
Deleted Account
Indeed love is dangerous
MF
09:42
Mr Flintstone
If more people run nodes block propagation should get faster?
09:43
Deleted Account
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I doubt at this early stage anyone will want to sell cheap or even sell...
Z
09:43
Zack
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no. that will probably make it slower.
09:43
Deleted Account
just for fun poll, whats the lowest price someone would sell 1 VEO for
I
09:43
Iridescence
1 ETH
Z
09:43
Zack
How many VEO do I need to spend to get a pizza?
09:44
Deleted Account
probably .1
09:44
Deleted Account
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Don't otherwise in future that pizza might be as much a million.
09:45
You know of bitcoin pizza right
09:48
Deleted Account
1.264112 megahashes per second per CPU
Z
09:49
Zack
oh, I meant terahashes. 400 terahashes
09:52
Deleted Account
so ~160,000MH per VEO
09:52
1 cpu = ~0.3MH/s
09:52
Deleted Account
mine is 1,26
MF
09:52
Mr Flintstone
I get 1 = .9
09:52
and am using 32
09:53
Deleted Account
6.2 days of 1 CPU = 1 VEO
09:53
cost of $5 per 30 days
MF
09:54
Mr Flintstone
script it
P|
09:54
Paul N. | BAND (๐Ÿ…‘) - I'll never DM you
@kacperwikiel what CPU are you using?
T
09:55
TownAlwaysGet
Zack, maaaan did you even sleep?
09:56
Deleted Account
I7-7820HQ
MF
09:56
Mr Flintstone
uh oh
09:56
anyone else just get GetWork failed on amoveopool?
MH
09:57
Mandel Hoff
Found this! Should have Cuda windows soon. https://github.com/moffa13/SHA256CUDA
09:57
Deleted Account
I have the web miner running and I got a post error in the console.
09:58
No errors all day until now.
09:58
Deleted Account
P|
09:58
Paul N. | BAND (๐Ÿ…‘) - I'll never DM you
Zack If the miner.erl is going to be updated frequently, I think it's a good idea to offload the Pubkey and Server ip to some config file. That way when we do the git pull we don't have to stash/checkout our local miner.erl
09:59
Deleted Account
$2/Veo seems very low to me, but I guess that's what I came up with
09:59
I guess I should stop spending $30/veo... i suck
Z
09:59
Zack
the miner was down for a few minute, but it should be back up now.
09:59
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thanks for the warning
09:59
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great
09:59
Deleted Account
Hard to believe that only $5000 has been spent on mining veo so far? but i guess its only been a few days
MH
10:00
Mandel Hoff
Probably get it published tommorw
10:00
Deleted Account
Looks like I'm mining again (web wallet). Fun to be here at the beginning.
Z
10:00
Zack
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you are correct. that is the answer to your problem.
10:01
Deleted Account
I will offer to buy VEO for $10
MF
10:02
Mr Flintstone
Iโ€™d buy for 30 usd
10:02
legit
Z
10:02
Zack
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you need a period after miner:start().
10:02
Deleted Account
There should be at least 1 miner willing to take a $30 offer
10:02
Deleted Account
How many coins are in total?
10:02
Deleted Account
I wouldn't take it myself, because I am a bad miner
10:02
2500ish
P|
10:03
Paul N. | BAND (๐Ÿ…‘) - I'll never DM you
Zack Miner's down again
10:03
I mean the pool
10:03
Deleted Account
but unless my math is corrected, the average cost to create a VEO has been $2
Z
10:05
Zack
In reply to this message
Thank you.
This time I fixed it with tx_pool:dump().
seems like there is a race condition for putting transactions into the tx_pool. it is only an issue when blocks are happening so fast.
MF
10:05
Mr Flintstone
lol weโ€™re already at 2564?
10:06
Deleted Account
yeah
10:06
the last 500 have been a bit slower, but seems the speed has picked up a bit lately and is faster than the adjustment
10:06
isnt the reward adjustment coming around block 3000?
I
10:06
Iridescence
4000
MF
10:06
Mr Flintstone
4K
10:07
Deleted Account
i think reward adjustment comes at a different time than difficulty, but i could be wrong
MF
10:08
Mr Flintstone
o maybe you are right then
10:08
idk
Z
10:14
Zack
In reply to this message
yes.
10:14
In reply to this message
no, that is the difficulty adjustment.
G
10:15
Gonzalo
In reply to this message
Im in windows with NVIDIA
J
10:16
Jim
Windows/1080
MF
10:23
Mr Flintstone
Zack is the attacker building on top of blocks that your chain finds?
Z
10:24
Zack
In reply to this message
I am not mining.
MF
10:24
Mr Flintstone
your pool*
Z
10:25
Zack
I think that the attacker is creating almost every block in my pool.
10:25
This might be our last chance to mine cheap VEO. the difficulty will be so high after height 4000
MF
10:25
Mr Flintstone
when was the last time someone else mined a block?
Z
10:25
Zack
maybe Amoveo will get frozen at 4000. game over.
10:26
i don't know. we can check in the explorer.
10:26
oh, we can't check in the explorer.
10:27
Deleted Account
why do we keep calling him the attacker?
10:27
isn't he just mining blocks better than the rest of us?
MF
10:27
Mr Flintstone
fair
10:27
I guess we will wait and see
10:27
if he abandons the chain at 4000 we will know
10:27
Deleted Account
I wish it wasn't happening too, but we keep calling each person who is dominating the network an attacker and I dont know if thats appropriate
Z
10:28
Zack
In reply to this message
yes. this is right.
10:28
it depends what happens at 4000 I guess.
Since they didn't quit at 2000, maybe this means they wont quit at 4000.
G
10:29
Gonzalo
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1 VEO
10:30
Deleted Account
should we change the block difficulty adjustment variable to much lower values until the network matures a bit?
MF
10:31
Mr Flintstone
or just make the change happen more frequently
10:31
you could use some kind of exp moving average
Z
10:31
Zack
In reply to this message
making it lower would make BATman's reward bigger in comparison. I am thinking we should leave the reward the same until we have more information.
MF
10:32
Mr Flintstone
then decay that effect in-protocol until itโ€™s back to how it is now
10:32
Deleted Account
i was referring to the difficulty adjustment window not the reward
Z
10:33
Zack
the difficulty will adjust every 2000 blocks.
We can make the block time shorter, but that might make our problems worse.
10:33
it retargets every 2000. this is not one of the governance variables.
MF
10:34
Mr Flintstone
you could just make it shorter for the first few months
10:34
or something
10:34
Deleted Account
oh right, adjustment period is always 2000 blocks no matter what, it is fixed
10:34
Deleted Account
getting this error suddenly
ERROR: GetWork failed. Sleep and retry...
J
10:34
Jim
Some coins implement an emergency diff adjustment if no blocks produced after certain time frame. Bismuth comes to mind. Could be something to look into.
10:34
Deleted Account
oh you just told me
10:35
I think it is low risky really
10:35
i think our worst case scenario right now is 30-40 minute blocks, and thats easy to fix if it comes up and is only likely to decline in risk over time
10:37
you'd more likely just accept the 30-40 minute blocks for that window
MF
10:38
Mr Flintstone
how often can you adjust block reward?
Z
10:38
Zack
im going to try and push an update so it wont freeze so often.
This means the network will go down for about 15 seconds, and the miners will show errors.
MF
10:38
Mr Flintstone
Every 1k blocks?
Z
10:38
Zack
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right now it is once every 1000 blocks.
But the amount of time = 1000 is also a governance variable that we can change.
MF
10:39
Mr Flintstone
ok
G
10:39
Gonzalo
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should we update the nodes?
MF
10:39
Mr Flintstone
so we can effectively make the blockchain reward per unit of work done from 2000-4000 be rewarded equivalently in blocks 4000-6000
10:40
this would probably need a reward of like 5-10 per block?
I
10:40
Iridescence
but if difficulty is too high, it will take forever to progress blocks
MF
10:40
Mr Flintstone
then you can reduced it back down at the end of the period
10:40
but miners will still mine
10:40
Deleted Account
wed have increase the governance change limit, and then increase the block reward
MF
10:40
Mr Flintstone
and they wonโ€™t abandon the chain
10:40
then we can change it back
10:41
Deleted Account
i think were okay to not make any major adjustments right now
10:41
increasing the block reward is fine for now, as it keeps the price of VEO down to reasonable amounts
10:41
Deleted Account
I'm with Ryan, I think the less changes the better
10:42
Deleted Account
block reward should probably follow the total hash a bit, maybe not quite as fast so that earlier miners/buyers can get ROI, otherwise nobody would buy and miners and investors could not make any money so they would all leave
Z
10:42
Zack
I feel like we should change the reward a small amount just to prove that we can. So lets increase it to 1.5, and then leave it there until we have some idea what the price of a VEO is
10:43
Deleted Account
I think as long as its short term the miners wont leave.
10:43
Deleted Account
well the 1.5 increase is already put out there? how does the switch happen
10:43
Deleted Account
I got into Amoveo knowing it was gonna be a bit crazy, I can say even if I were losing money I'd still have all 6 of my machines mining on the network
10:44
Deleted Account
is it nodes that act as the oracles to chose the winner?
MF
10:44
Mr Flintstone
yeah Iโ€™ll still be mining as well
10:44
Deleted Account
The only thing that'll make me take them off early will be when GPUs come in and dominate, but even then I'll leave my node up
Z
10:44
Zack
the market is still live. It could increase to 1.5, or decrease to about 0.66 or it could stay the same.
10:44
Deleted Account
can we make money choosing the winning side? Still a bit unfamiliar with this
10:44
Deleted Account
I mean us CPU miners are essentially clinging on to life until GPU miners come around and make us mostly worthless.
10:45
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yes.
10:45
Deleted Account
haha, thats right, zack bet .5 VEO on the rates increasing
10:45
now I know why he wants it to go up
10:45
๐Ÿ˜‰
10:46
Deleted Account
i would place that bet too
10:46
i need to learn how still
10:46
Deleted Account
totally kidding but yeah, its a good bet
Z
10:46
Zack
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you got me.
If I was the only person to be betting against myself, then I wouldn't lose money. So I still have time to change it.
10:47
Deleted Account
well in that case I may just have to bet against you
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Z
10:48
Zack
I wonder which side of the fork the network would go with. Should I double-down and bet against Zenofex even more?
10:49
Deleted Account
I think we need some beginner guides on governance betting
Z
10:50
Zack
yes, that is a good idea.
10:50
Deleted Account
is it true you need to be running a node right now to do it
10:50
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yes.
10:50
Deleted Account
I'm not that VEO rich yet, I can go up to 4VEO with you on each side zack. Even then I'd probably only be willing to go to 2 VEO with it being the ?first bet on the network?
10:51
Deleted Account
stay the same is also a bet
Z
10:51
Zack
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Then you just need to convince the Amoveo community that your side of the fork is preferable.
It would be pretty tough since I could publish code that prefers my side. You might have to hire a programmer.
10:51
Deleted Account
I'd probably take the stay the same bet over the go down
10:52
what makes you think I'm not a programmer?
Z
10:52
Zack
oh, that makes it cheaper. maybe you would win
10:52
It would probably be better for Amoveo if you did win, since it would prove that I don't have central control
10:53
Deleted Account
I couldn't compete with you in legit number of changes in LoC per day
Z
10:54
Zack
ok, here I go. I will try to update the node without breaking everything.
10:54
Deleted Account
wife, kid, fulltime job, etc. I'd much rather spend my time trying to poke holes in your code and developing utils for the network
Z
10:54
Zack
and we are back up
10:55
looks like we are still alive.
10:56
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Hopefully we can use dominant assurance contracts soon. that way you could be paid to do these things.
10:56
Deleted Account
how to use the light wallet?
Z
10:57
Zack
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10:57
Deleted Account
mining is too hard
10:57
Deleted Account
its not too bad
10:57
Deleted Account
even i bought a new PC with 16 cores
10:57
Deleted Account
maybe i will write a guide
10:58
Deleted Account
where can see the whole hashrate of amoveo
10:58
Deleted Account
yes,please write a guide
10:59
Deleted Account
Do you all want a cloud mining guide?
10:59
I guess that makes the most sense for beginners
10:59
Deleted Account
yes we need that
Z
10:59
Zack
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http://amoveopool.com/transaction
usually here, but it is down right now.
G
10:59
Gonzalo
Zack I just updated 1 node, (git pull + make prod-restart + sync:start), api:height=2739, block:height=0. I see lots of messages like "could not get block 1050 from peer..." + different peers IPs
11:00
Deleted Account
Im going to write a cloud mining guide tonight
11:01
what would be great, if there are people familiar, is a governance betting guide for people who are noobs in that area :)
Z
11:01
Zack
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syncing is a little more difficult now because of how active the network is. if you try sync:start(). a few more times, it should eventually work.
G
11:02
Gonzalo
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๐Ÿ‘
Z
11:04
Zack
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11:05
Deleted Account
ok so the idea then
11:06
is i would get on my node, make sure it has a balance, get the OracleID somewhere (I guess form you, but maybe later from an explorer), and then submit api:oracle_bet(OracleID, true, 3.2).
11:06
to bet 3.2 VEO that rewardwill increase
Z
11:07
Zack
oh right, I should explain where to get the oracleid. thank you for mentioning.
MF
11:10
Mr Fox
is there any other pool?
11:10
amovepool is down
Z
11:11
Zack
c-miner connects to my pool by default, which is working.
MF
11:11
Mr Fox
thks
MH
11:12
Mandel Hoff
Cuda is easy when someone else wrote all the hard code.
Z
11:12
Zack
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great
11:12
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have a look at my opencl miner. I unwrapped all the functions and loops to make it GPU compliant.
MH
11:13
Mandel Hoff
I don't know anything bout opencl or cuda. Just have a Black Belt in copy & paste.
Z
11:20
Zack
In reply to this message
Well post your progress. I can help point you in the right direction.
11:20
In reply to this message
ok, I updated the document. Now hopefully it answers your questions well enough.
MH
11:23
Mandel Hoff
Zack, any idea why I can't get work from your pool but your node's height keeps going up?
Z
11:24
Zack
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the javascript miner seems to be connecting correctly.
11:24
the c-miner has errors.
I
11:24
Iridescence
I keep getting potential block died
Z
11:25
Zack
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I think the new update fixes this problem almost completely
I
11:25
Iridescence
ok i will pull again
Z
11:25
Zack
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now c-miner is working.
I think that connection to the server is irregular because there is so much traffic.
11:26
there is also that one ip address that has been spamming us since day 1. I wonder if they are DDOSing us intentionally.
requesting too often: [-7,23,96,187,38] 20
11:28
Deleted Account
heres another logo concept I found that i like for amoveo:
11:28
11:29
i actually really like this one, some small tweak to make it uniquely ours (instead of just some random one I found online), could be nice
Z
11:29
Zack
very cool. it has interlocked angles
11:29
Deleted Account
if you look closely it also has an A, a V, and M, and an O
Z
11:30
Zack
yes, it is a good idea
11:31
Deleted Account
ill see if i can get some variations of it done for fun
Z
11:31
Zack
What will you guys do if my mining pool shuts off while I am asleep?
11:32
Deleted Account
probably nothing
Z
11:32
Zack
If this happens, you could make a lot of veo by launching another mining pool
11:32
Deleted Account
i think thats one of the risks of joining a pool, in theory youd join a pool with the best efficiency as defined by uptime * (1-fee)
11:44
Deleted Account
Zack
sync:stop ().
api:off().
halt().
git pull
** make prod-clean
make prod-restart
keys:unlock("").
**sync:start().
sync_mode:normal().
11:44
did the commands as usual, and my node is still broken
11:45
Deleted Account
Im getting 7 logos professionally designed that we can look at later for fun
Z
11:46
Zack
did you finish syncing before doing sync_mode:normal().?
11:47
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I was thinking we should wait a little longer before we do branding.
We want to have a group of people actively using the markets first. Then we will look at these people and how they use the markets. Then we will decide how to brand ourselves.
We will probably rename it from Amoveo at that point too.
11:48
Prediction markets and financial derivatives have a ton of applications. It is hard to know which application will be popular first.
11:48
But if you still want to make logos, go ahead. I will look at them.
11:49
Deleted Account
is there an update for the windows pool miner?
MH
11:51
Mandel Hoff
That's the latest cpu. Testing gpu now, but it's all pointless orphan work.... but really fast orphan work! ๐Ÿ˜ข
11:52
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There was an update for the linux build script but not windows related
11:52
Deleted Account
Ah thanks @Mandelhoff
All "ERROR: GetWork failed." for me, prob the upgrade?
11:52
Deleted Account
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my mistake.. didn't copy all of make so probably did "ake prod-clean" big difference
11:57
Deleted Account
Yeah you could be right zack, though names and logos are really easy to change in this industry, as we know. It might be nice to have a "badge" to include on articles and documents in the meantime at least.. Plus the name amoveo may be well liked anyways
Z
11:58
Zack
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you can make a small testnet with lower difficulty to try out your miner. make multi-quick
11:58
Deleted Account
amoveo is easy to type and dominates search results. perhaps a flaw is its not obvious how to pronounce it
Z
11:59
Zack
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point the miner at localhost:3010
open the node with make attach1
11:59
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yes. this makes sense
J
12:02
JasonWW
@Mandelhoff "Error: GetWork failed" here for me too after pulling the linux update
12:02
Deleted Account
possibly latin: move away from
12:02
which is a nice name for a disruptive technology
12:04
or perhaps playing into the concept of flexibility, the ability to move around the variables to ensure the system is optimal
MH
12:04
Mandel Hoff
Yes, network is totally broken due to the mining speed. Only Zack's node has any chance of making non-orphan work
12:06
Deleted Account
anyone selling VEO?
12:07
Deleted Account
depends on the price
12:07
Deleted Account
how much do you ask for
12:07
Deleted Account
$700
Z
12:07
Zack
we are averaging 1 block per 20 seconds now.
12:07
Deleted Account
for how much
12:08
Deleted Account
1
12:08
Deleted Account
ok i am turning on my miner
12:08
Deleted Account
lol
Z
12:09
Zack
the difficulty will go much higher soon. This could be your last chance to get cheap VEO.
Or it could die within 24 hours and be worthless.
12:09
so much risk
12:09
Deleted Account
We did calculate it has cost ~$2 to mine a VEO, but I know I'm paying way more to mine 1 than that, so most of that efficiency is from better miners
12:10
the biggest risk for veo is the volaility of mining rewards, which is unknowable, so who knows if supply next year will be 60K or 60M
12:11
you can simulate that though, or just make predictions on what betters will do over time
12:11
I would bet the mining rewards will continue to increase for quite some time, essentially being a reverse bitcoin distribution, and keeping the price of VEO relatively low and more stable
Z
12:12
Zack
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yes. a variable mining reward makes it harder to plan for the future. Maybe it was a mistake.
It is an interesting thing to experiment with at least.

We can turn off the governance mechanism's control over mining reward using a hard fork, if we need to.
12:12
Deleted Account
variable mining reward wasnt a mistake
Z
12:13
Zack
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does it work?
MH
12:13
Mandel Hoff
You will not want to try to build that thing... code is there, release build here:
https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerGpuCuda/releases/tag/1.0.0.0
12:13
Deleted Account
everything being variable is best, since a variable can be a constant if thats the best thing to do
12:13
Deleted Account
is the oracle, state channel and sharding complete
MH
12:13
Mandel Hoff
Works on my pool's protocol on Windows with Cuda only.
Z
12:13
Zack
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Is it much faster?
12:13
Deleted Account
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is this gpu miner working?
MH
12:13
Mandel Hoff
I tested 4 diff gpus.
D
12:14
Denis
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Is it only for Nvidia GPUs?
MH
12:14
Mandel Hoff
TI750 is 83mhs.
gtx1050 is 22mhs
gtx1060 is 22 mhh
K80 is 13mhs
Z
12:15
Zack
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oracle and state channel are complete. For sharding you just tell it to completely garbage collect the parts of the tree you dont want. We probably need a little more tooling to make sharding work nicely.
MH
12:15
Mandel Hoff
only windows nvidia with cuda, because that's the code I found on github. ๐Ÿ™ˆ
12:16
I really would have thought my 1060 and 1050 would be faster than my crappy old ti750 but it's not.
Z
12:16
Zack
is it producing valid POW?
I don't see where it does the amoveo specific code