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2 March 2018
Z
10:32
Zack
the gpu miner does not have any accurate speed test yet.
10:34
Deleted Account
yeah i'm not trying to test speed but rather findout what's going wrong
Z
10:40
Zack
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the opencl miner is currently a cpu miner. but we can adapt it to be a gpu miner.
MH
10:41
Mandel Hoff
Woah, block 542 had a lot of payouts in it.
10:41
10:41
Those are confirmed txs, so all good stuff.
Z
10:42
Zack
cool. this is from your mining pool I think
MH
10:42
Mandel Hoff
Yes, payout transactions from the pool.
10:43
I hadn't ever seen a single block with that many txs in it yet.
Z
10:43
Zack
I see one address got paid more than once
10:44
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
so is it working fine on cpus? cause since it's opencl, what prevnts us from enabling it for gpus?
Z
10:45
also when I compile in gpu mode, it produces invalid work.
MH
10:46
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
Yes, when txs get lost they get "reprocessed" and sent again. Looks like a bunch of those were lost and reprocessed:
10:46
Z
10:46
Zack
so you over-paid the workers?
10:47
instead of making a new tx, you should re-publish the old tx until it becomes invalid.
10:47
I guess
MH
10:47
Mandel Hoff
Not. I monitor blocks and will only resend payments after X blocks have gone by without finding the matching payout tx that I'm expecting.
Z
10:47
Zack
oh, that is good
MH
10:49
Mandel Hoff
Yes, making the payouts work and be reliable was much more challenging than any other part of the pool. 👍
10:50
Reliable payments to my miners is essential.
VZ
11:14
Valentine Z
looks like
make prod-build crashes:=INFO REPORT==== 1-Mar-2018::22:09:32 ===
application: trie
exited: {{shutdown,
{failed_to_start_child,trie01_leaf,
{shutdown,
{failed_to_start_child,trie01_leaf_bits,
{undef,
[{hipe_bifs,bitarray,[1000000,false],[]},
{bits,init,1,
[{file,
"/home/steem/amoveo/amoveo/_build/default/lib/dump/src/bits.erl"},
{line,9}]},
{gen_server,init_it,2,[{file,"gen_server.erl"},{line,365}]},
{gen_server,init_it,6,[{file,"gen_server.erl"},{line,333}]},
{proc_lib,init_p_do_apply,3,
[{file,"proc_lib.erl"},{line,247}]}]}}}}},
{trie_app,start,[normal,[]]}}
type: permanent
{"Kernel pid terminated",application_controller,"{application_start_failure,trie,{{shutdown,{failed_to_start_child,trie01_leaf,{shutdown,{failed_to_start_child,trie01_leaf_bits,{undef,[{hipe_bifs,bitarray,[1000000,false],[]},{bits,init,1,[{file,\"/home/steem/amoveo/amoveo/_build/default/lib/dump/src/bits.erl\"},{line,9}]},{gen_server,init_it,2,[{file,\"gen_server.erl\"},{line,365}]},{gen_server,init_it,6,[{file,\"gen_server.erl\"},{line,333}]},{proc_lib,init_p_do_apply,3,[{file,\"proc_lib.erl\"},{line,247}]}]}}}}},{trie_app,start,[normal,[]]}}}"}
Kernel pid terminated (application_controller) ({application_start_failure,trie,{{shutdown,{failed_to_start_child,trie01_leaf,{shutdown,{failed_to_start_child,trie01_leaf_bits,{undef,[{hipe_bifs,bitar
Crash dump is being written to: erl_crash.dump...done
Z
VZ
11:21
Deleted Account
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BIHB9ACegrkPkeINBwKiOJlRPhmhQY2N8NWaJOvBqR736nnqW6CBheyZ2Fs41OLYmEPYON+XanOvn6i8i6pZN1Y=
11:21
thanks
MH
11:32
Deleted Account
haha , i know
MF
11:32
Mr Fox
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11:33
10 veo menas tons of money
11:33
you are very rich now
11:35
Deleted Account
just found another 26.23 on the way to me now... And I sent you back 0.5 as test
MH
11:43
Mandel Hoff
Looks like the payments went through just fine. Nice!
11:43
MH
11:59
Mandel Hoff
Good night test net. Hope I wake up for launch. Alarm is set.
12:16
Deleted Account
lol
12:38
Deleted Account
Question, are we able to reuse old addr/key on mainnet?
MH
12:38
Mandel Hoff
Yes
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CB
14:00
CeloStarter Bandits
did main net started?
CB
14:24
CeloStarter Bandits
i started a buy/sell discord..
14:25
Its unofficial...
I
14:41
Iridescence
Mainnet in 2 hours 20 minutes
14:41
Sorry I meant 4 hours 20 minutes
IP
14:44
I P
only cpu mining for now?
14:48
i've found http://amoveopool.com but it does not have https... can i trust a wallet there?
ts
14:48
thomas s
how do i sync my local node?
I
14:49
Iridescence
sync:start().
ts
14:49
thomas s
ah d'uh
14:49
thanks!
I
14:49
Iridescence
Mandel Hoff runs amoveopool
14:49
He will probably show up here later
14:50
You can visit the dev's node to generate a key for your wallet
14:51
It's not https but key generation is done client side
15:39
Deleted Account
Current block height 949?
16:05
Deleted Account
is mainet launched ?
16:05
Deleted Account
no
16:05
Deleted Account
ok
16:13
Deleted Account
tx_pool_feeder died
what does this mean?
what does this mean?
16:14
does it start and close sequentially?
16:23
Deleted Account
so depressed that I got one emergency surgery to do
16:23
will miss out the mainnet launch
16:32
Deleted Account
Can I
16:34
Hi all. If I launch the Amoveo Pool miner now on the testnet, will it switch to mainnet automatically when it's launched ?
16:35
Deleted Account
supposedly
16:37
Deleted Account
Ok thanks
Z
F
16:39
Francesco @ Simply
mandel's pool is down right now?
16:40
Deleted Account
oh i was thinking of amoveopool from mandel, he said he set it up to switch
Z
16:40
Zack
2 hours 20 minutes left
16:40
Deleted Account
mandel turns his pool off when hes not online, not sure why or if thats going to be the same during mainnet or not
Z
16:41
Zack
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It's because the amoveo software isn't stable. His node crashed.
G
16:45
Greg
~/amoveo-opencl-miner] > sh compile.sh
gcc: error: OpenCL: No such file or directory
how can I get OpenCL on Ubuntu 16.04? I tried installing CUDA drivers but still the same error
gcc: error: OpenCL: No such file or directory
how can I get OpenCL on Ubuntu 16.04? I tried installing CUDA drivers but still the same error
Z
G
16:46
Greg
gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-framework'
Z
16:46
Zack
you need opencl tools, but I think you don't need cuda.
16:46
it is very hard to install the opencl miner. the install instructions need to be changed.
16:46
the c-miner is easier.
G
16:47
Greg
ok thanks
F
16:50
Francesco @ Simply
i managed to install opencl but it was still buggy. kept looping "found a block. 2" and the same number constantly
16:55
Deleted Account
is there a guide that can get me started with developing a miner?
Z
16:56
Zack
In reply to this message
have a look at all the existing miners. in erlang, javascript, C, and opencl.
16:57
I am going to embed a recent bitcoin hash into the blockchain to act as a proof that I have no pre-mined
16:58
Deleted Account
i did look at the c miner code briefly, i was looking for a better way to understand the purpose of each step
16:58
stuff like N[31] = (((id / 256) / 256) / 256) % 256;
16:58
Deleted Account
how does that prove that
Z
16:58
Zack
In reply to this message
thats why I say to look at all 4. by comparing them it should make more sense.
16:59
Deleted Account
alright
Z
16:59
Zack
In reply to this message
because I can't start mining until the genesis block is made, and I can't make the genesis block until I know the hash of the bitcoin block that is embedded into it.
17:00
Deleted Account
ok makes sense
17:04
Deleted Account
invalid header without enough work could not get block 674 from peer
Z
17:20
Zack
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https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/getting-started/sync.md
Here are directions for syncing.
Maybe you need to restart from block 0.
Here are directions for syncing.
Maybe you need to restart from block 0.
17:21
1 hour 40 minutes till launch.
G
17:22
Deleted Account
🕶
Z
17:31
Deleted Account
Damn it, woke up a bit too soon. Back to bed.😴😴
17:31
Deleted Account
youre supposed to hang out
G
17:32
Greg
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so the difficulty should be pretty height. what is the average block time?
Z
17:33
Deleted Account
It's freaking 4 am. I can't keep my eyes open. 😂
G
17:37
Greg
is there a list of pools somewhere?
17:37
Deleted Account
no
17:38
i think there are only two known pools right now
17:38
we do probably need more pool tools/guides
17:46
you would get more rewards but chunkier as solo
G
17:46
Greg
I didn't get any blocks running solo with Zach's pool
17:47
Deleted Account
it probably wont be super competitive so solo mining is probably fine
17:47
right
17:47
the pool runs the node
Z
17:51
Zack
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once the block time is >5 minutes, then I think solo will be faster. But when the block time is smaller, then the biggest pool will be best.
17:52
the block period retargets every 2000 blocks.
20 000 minutes is about 2 week.
20 000 minutes is about 2 week.
17:54
Deleted Account
10
Z
17:54
Zack
We need consistent names for the different ways to mine.
1) you can run mining software and connect to a pool
2) you can run a single instance of mining software on the same computer as a full node.
3) you can run your own mining pool, and connect multiple computers to it
1) you can run mining software and connect to a pool
2) you can run a single instance of mining software on the same computer as a full node.
3) you can run your own mining pool, and connect multiple computers to it
17:54
1 hour 6 minutes till mainnet launch
17:57
Deleted Account
1) public pool mining 2) solo mining 3) solo pool mining
Z
17:57
Zack
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you don't have to mine if you are running a mining pool.
It is important that you don't do (2) and (3) simultaneous with the same full node.
It is important that you don't do (2) and (3) simultaneous with the same full node.
17:57
(1) and (3) is an ok combination.
17:58
Deleted Account
running a mining pool but not mining is not technically mining
17:58
so I wouldnt even include it in the categories of ways to mine
Z
17:59
Zack
yes that makes sense.
The goal here is to make consistent language so that we can communicate clearly.
The goal here is to make consistent language so that we can communicate clearly.
18:00
Deleted Account
There are a lot of combos but maybe not all are necessary to mention
18:00
Deleted Account
block:height(). is only 951 on my node, try to clean, restart, etc but no way ton sync
18:01
Deleted Account
1) single PC solo mining 2) multi PC solo mining 3) single PC public pool mining 4) multi PC public pool mining
18:02
PC might not be the right word either, i might just replace PC with worker
Z
18:03
Zack
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I think I found out why the "potential block died!" error is happening. block absorber is rescanning txs before saving the updates to the merkel tree database. If it crashes while rescanning txs, then it can cause leave the merkel tree database in a broken state.
18:04
Deleted Account
1) single-worker solo-mining 2) multi-worker solo-mining 3) single-worker public-pool-mining 4) multi-worker public-pool-mining. However the distinction between 2 and 4 is not very valuable, so I would just eliminate 2
Z
18:05
Zack
After the main launch, i will fix it an push an update.
G
18:06
Greg
why after? 😏
Z
18:07
Zack
not enough time to run all the tests. If I attempt now there is too high a probability we will launch with very broken software.
18:09
Deleted Account
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is there a way to fix the problem manually to ba able to sync ?
Z
18:10
Deleted Account
Ah ok, i have probably not understand something
OK
Z
18:10
Zack
this is the bug that makes the mining pools crash after a few hours
OK
18:11
O K
I understand that
Z
Z
18:14
Zack
you want the IP address of the server I am running?
http://159.89.106.253:8080/explorer.html
http://159.89.106.253:8080/explorer.html
18:14
Deleted Account
ah ok thank you Zack :)
OK
18:15
O K
it's early lol 😳
Z
18:15
Zack
45 minutes till main net launch
M
18:16
Minieep21
Should we create new private keys when main net launches?
Z
18:17
Zack
In reply to this message
you can use the old ones.
I recommend generating and storing the private key off-line.
I recommend generating and storing the private key off-line.
M
18:18
Minieep21
Ok, will look into that, thank you
F
18:19
Francesco @ Simply
Where mandel at
Z
18:21
In reply to this message
opencl supports many different computational platforms. including CPU and GPU.
OK
18:22
O K
That's been the source of my confusion as well, a little clariity in that sentence would have prevented me asking about 3 questions about this
JT
18:23
John Tromp
openCL is hardware agnostic
Z
18:23
Zack
probably C-miner.
The openCL one is too difficult to install.
The openCL one is too difficult to install.
18:25
In reply to this message
you will need to reinstall the full node after I release the software in 35 minutes.
OK
18:26
O K
keep tinkering daniel you have time
18:30
Does the default public mining pool have an interface
Z
18:30
Zack
no.
OK
18:31
O K
Roughly how often does it payout, not looking for specifics just enough to tell me "something is wrong"
Z
OK
18:31
O K
Oh okay
18:32
🙂
F
18:35
Francesco @ Simply
With how the mining pool is set up, wouldn't it be the same as solo mining? Or is it more like a lottery with hash power
Z
18:35
Zack
In reply to this message
it you use the mining pool, then you don't have to go to the trouble of running and maintaining an amoveo full node.
OK
18:35
O K
Well my problem turned out to be that my landlord has me double NAT and I have no way to expose port 8080 😕 So I can't run a node
Z
OK
18:36
O K
Do you have a referral link?
18:36
I will use it
Z
18:37
Zack
I don't know which VPS is good, it is better if we use a variety so we aren't centralized to some company's servers.
OK
18:37
O K
I'm terrible at making decisions withso many options
18:38
What are the recommended specs? that will make it easier
18:38
Deleted Account
aws lightsail
Z
18:38
Zack
I tried Amazon's service, and I didn't like it. the control panel was too confusing.
18:38
They kept charging me money when I didn't want any services
18:39
Deleted Account
i guess im used to it
Z
18:39
Zack
It is recommended to have at least 500 MB of RAM, and to be running Ubuntu 16.04
OK
18:39
O K
To generate keys offline, can I just save the wallet.html file?
18:39
Deleted Account
have to stop miner too or with node is enough for mainnet?
OK
Z
18:40
Zack
In reply to this message
no, the key generation library is on a different page.
This is a good idea. I will add it to the todo list.
This is a good idea. I will add it to the todo list.
18:41
In reply to this message
Probably only the full node needs to be rebooted for mainnet. But I might be wrong. Lets see what happens.
18:42
Deleted Account
Ok thanks Zack as always joining late to the party but arriving!! 😀
OK
18:44
O K
0.42 MH/s per CPU sound right?
18:44
Deleted Account
yes
Z
18:50
Deleted Account
will mandel wake up in time lol
D
Z
18:51
Zack
In reply to this message
correct. that pool will be available for mining at launch in 9 minutes.
D
18:51
Denis
Great!
Z
18:51
Zack
Denis
WL
18:52
Wilson Lau
do we have to run git pull again?
Z
18:53
Zack
yes. but not yet. 7 minutes left.
18:53
you will also need to run
make prod-clean
18:53
Deleted Account
Is it sensible to mine with "0.096058 megahashes per second per CPU" speed
Z
18:54
Zack
In reply to this message
I don't know. Depends how much the VEO will be worth and how much electricity costs you.
OK
18:55
O K
Why so much
Z
MH
18:58
Mandel Hoff
I'm here. Ready for fun.
18:58
Deleted Account
just in time
Z
18:58
Zack
great.
18:58
Deleted Account
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18:58
Deleted Account
i'm here
18:58
Deleted Account
lol that was bigger than i expected
F
19:00
Deleted Account
Let's Go !!
OK
19:00
O K
🥁
19:00
that was smaller than I expected
19:00
tiny drum roll
Z
19:01
Zack
I pushed the main net code to github
19:01
my mining pool is set up.
MH
19:01
Mandel Hoff
Building...
K
19:02
Kenny
what is your pool address?
Z
19:02
Zack
the mining software connects to it by default.
19:03
19:03
first block was mined
19:03
Deleted Account
nice
O
19:03
Oliver
👍👍
Z
19:03
Zack
took about 90 seconds
19:04
from when I launched the node
19:04
Deleted Account
who got it
Z
19:04
Zack
someone using my mining pool.
19:04
BGDX
19:04
Deleted Account
nice
MH
19:05
Mandel Hoff
I think my pool is up.
OK
19:05
O K
I'm using your mining pool
19:05
what is BGDX
19:05
Deleted Account
Its taking very long to build up node.
D
l两
19:06
lwvwlcn 两万.Leon
is there a chinese speaking group?
MH
19:06
Mandel Hoff
I'm getting many thousands of spammy lines on my node:
requesting too often: [-7,23,96,187,38]
Otherwise, everything looks good so far.
requesting too often: [-7,23,96,187,38]
Otherwise, everything looks good so far.
19:06
Deleted Account
KR
19:07
Kevin Roberts BWD
Nice
19:07
Deleted Account
any ideas?
Z
19:09
In reply to this message
sounds like you are successfully blocking an attacker. I would keep an eye on your bandwidth consumption.
l两
19:10
lwvwlcn 两万.Leon
好吧 amoveo 的挖矿算法是sha256吗？必须要矿机挖吗？电脑可以挖吗？
Z
19:10
Zack
In reply to this message
you need to tell us more. Are you trying to connect to my mining pool?
19:10
Deleted Account
my miners are giving me error still.. but my node is at 7 blocks
19:10
Deleted Account
the starting leters of the address that mined the first block
Z
19:11
Zack
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amoveo现在使用sha256。现在只有CPU矿工正在工作。在未来，我们将有GPU矿工，然后是ASIC矿工。
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo-c-miner
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo-c-miner
k
19:11
kdmlll
Its exciting to be here
M
19:12
Minieep21
In reply to this message
I'm getting an address is not valid when trying to view miner details
19:12
Deleted Account
silly question but i keep getting "Warning: Address is not valid." when requesting a new address
Z
19:13
Zack
In reply to this message
Where are you requesting this address from? the javascript browser light node?
19:13
Deleted Account
might be because no blocks have been mined by the pool yet
19:13
Deleted Account
What is the current block height ?
19:13
Deleted Account
right
M
19:14
Deleted Account
13 blocks mined?
19:14
10x faster than target :P
Z
19:14
Zack
15
19:15
yeah, good thing I increased it. otherwise it would have been 40x faster.
19:15
Deleted Account
now working
19:15
Deleted Account
~265,750 MH/s on the network right now?
OK
19:16
O K
"If this error happens while you're on a public mining node can be ignored" -- I know it can be ignored, but I'm curious what the trigger is?
19:16
Deleted Account
alright got it working.. forgot to start the pool :)
MH
19:16
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
Yes, when the pool is down that happens. Should be working now.
Z
OK
19:17
O K
thanks
MH
19:21
Mandel Hoff
Just a note - my erlang pool/node died 3 times yesterday. Easy to recover, but I can't monitor 24/7. I'll do my best.
19:22
Deleted Account
mine too
19:23
pretty sure if my node crashes then so does yours
19:23
i also rebooted 3 times yesterday
19:24
Deleted Account
is the 7GH/s on mandel pool accurate?
OK
19:24
O K
Your node down zack?
Z
MH
19:25
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
It uses a "difficulties of shares solved" per duration to estimate hashrate.
Z
19:28
12.4 GH/s !!
Amoveo is growing.
Amoveo is growing.
I
19:29
Iridescence
It says that my node has nothing to sync even though height = 0
M
OK
19:30
amoveopool.com/work I mean
19:31
I'm still having consistent errors connecting to your pool on my machine zack
Z
I
19:34
Iridescence
I deleted the directory and recloned, seems good now
MH
19:34
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
You don't have to set the pool url in my miner tool's arguments. Use the default.
19:35
I just added the optional pool url to future proof it, aka over-engineering.
Z
19:35
Zack
I think mining with my pool will be impossible for the first 2000 blocks. Mandel's pool will get the first 2000.
19:35
maybe if he freezes then the rest of us will have a chance.
OK
19:35
O K
I'm just following the instructions
MH
19:36
Mandel Hoff
Batman just got some blocks.
Z
19:36
Zack
BATman haha
G
19:37
Gonzalo
wow
19:37
somebody found one batman, not me :-(
19:37
haha
OK
MH
19:40
Mandel Hoff
Zacks' c miner doesn't work on my pool. I had to add a "shared diff" and miner identification fields to the json protocol. This miner works on my pool:
https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerCpu
https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerCpu
G
19:41
Gonzalo
In reply to this message
--> "amoveo-c-miner" works with Zacks pool
--> "AmoveoMinerCpu" works with Mandels pool
lw
KR
19:43
Kevin Roberts BWD
I'm up and running
J|
19:44
Jun Dam | 100x Trade | bitcashBank
congrats on the launch Zack and all! 🎉 exciting to just lurk and be a spectator so far.. be happy to help in some capacity in the coming weeks...
lw
19:45
lijun wang
did mainnet online ?
Z
19:45
Zack
BATman got a bunch of blocks
19:47
Deleted Account
Who is bat man😂
KR
19:49
Kevin Roberts BWD
Bruce Wayne?
19:51
Deleted Account
Trying to mine with a vps hoho
Z
KR
F
19:54
Francesco @ Simply
amoveopool down i think
K
19:54
Kenny
yup
Z
19:54
Zack
I think I figured out the
potential block died! bug. I am about to push the fix.
G
19:54
Greg
congrats Zach, a little chaotic but it runs
Z
MH
19:54
Mandel Hoff
Fixing in progress.
I
19:55
Iridescence
Do we need to pull the fix?
Z
19:55
Zack
In reply to this message
im running a couple more tests. ill push it in a minute, then you can pull.
K
19:56
Kenny
back up it looks like!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:56
@Mandelhoff thx for working so quickly
G
19:57
Gonzalo
In reply to this message
Please Zack pin the last "update message" with the timestamp, so we will now if we need to update
Z
19:59
Zack
I pushed the fix
19:59
you can see when the code was updated on the github page.
20:00
@Mandelhoff if you pull the new changes, hopefully it wont crash so often.
MH
20:01
Mandel Hoff
Will do thank you.
O
20:01
Oliver
Zack do you have some kind of web interface for your pool to chek the status of my miner?
Z
MH
20:08
Mandel Hoff
Fixing... updating to zack's fix now
Z
20:09
Zack
In reply to this message
ive got 2 more updates coming in the next 10 minutes if you can manage
20:09
this will let us ignore all the old peers from the test network so we can sync faster and waste less bandwidth
MH
20:09
Mandel Hoff
Sure, I'll boot up the pool now and update when available or crashes happen.
Z
20:09
Zack
1st update is to grow the api, the 2nd update is to use the new part of the api
20:09
Deleted Account
I earn 1 veo / 10-15$. Anything around 20$ should be the ideal price.
20:10
Deleted Account
Pool down?
K
20:10
Kenny
yes pool is down
20:10
temporarally
Z
20:11
Deleted Account
my full node also was down
I
20:11
Iridescence
Is it ok if I don't update my node for a few hours? Need to go to sleep
20:11
Just want to make sure that I'll still be synced if I don't update
K
20:12
Kenny
are you mining to it?
I
20:12
Iridescence
Trying to
K
20:12
Kenny
then ill let zack answer that
MH
20:12
Mandel Hoff
git pull updates failed first time. trying again.
20:14
20:14
Zack, erlang pool doesnt start with new node updates I pulled.
Z
20:15
Zack
Are you in sync mode normal?
MH
20:15
Mandel Hoff
yes
20:15
how can i revert the pull for immediate fix?
I
20:16
Iridescence
sync to the commit before the fix
20:16
I'm not sure what the git command is
20:17
Deleted Account
gut log and checkout using the hash of prev commit
OK
20:17
O K
@Zack pool down
20:17
Deleted Account
Git
Z
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M
20:20
Mike
Mainnet launched? How to connect to it now? Just restart as usual?
Z
20:20
Zack
this is the 1st of 2 code updates we will do now
M
20:20
Mike
with prod-clean and prod-blocks?
Z
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O
Z
20:22
Zack
In reply to this message
unstable software. this is the first day.
It will probably be down more than 2/3rd of this month.
It will probably be down more than 2/3rd of this month.
O
20:23
Oliver
In reply to this message
Okay, so I have to resetup the mining manually when it terminates?
Z
20:23
Zack
BATman is getting all the blocks
MH
20:23
Mandel Hoff
Restart? I can't even sync fast enough to keep up. I'm stuck at 210
20:24
mining is faster than syncing
OK
20:24
O K
Did a miner on your pool get a block zack? It said I got a block on one of my devices 🤞
Z
20:24
Zack
In reply to this message
yes. that is why we should push these changes as soon as possible. but I can't push the 2nd step until you upgrade for the 1st step.
20:24
Deleted Account
i got the full node restarted
I
20:24
Iridescence
sync should be faster than mining....
MH
20:25
Mandel Hoff
my node is super broken
Z
20:25
Zack
In reply to this message
once we do the upgrade then you can ignore all the old peers from the testnet. Right now they keep talking to us and interrupting us from downloading blocks.
20:25
In reply to this message
right. this is why we should do the upgrade. we are upgrading in 2 steps. right now is the first.
I
20:25
Iridescence
Try rm -rf the whole directory and git clone again
Z
I
20:26
Iridescence
Why not? It's a hard reset that should work. And sync is usually pretty fast
Z
20:27
Zack
I gave specific instructions, and yours are different.
I
20:27
Iridescence
Ok, that's fine
Z
MH
20:29
Mandel Hoff
can i ask to sync with a specific ip? I can't find any peers to sync with
Z
MH
20:33
Mandel Hoff
OK
20:33
O K
Zack pool has been down awhile, this may be due to what you're doing but just letting you know
20:35
Deleted Account
get work failed , sleep and retry
Z
20:35
Zack
In reply to this message
you will need to do a prod-clean.
I pushed step 2. if you do a
I pushed step 2. if you do a
git pull you should be able to ignore old peers from the testnet.
MH
20:37
Mandel Hoff
Z
20:38
Zack
this is after the update?
MH
20:38
Mandel Hoff
I have about 15 min until I'm busy for ~90 minutes, so batman gets easy win.
20:38
yes
Z
20:38
Zack
BATman please upgrade
20:39
In reply to this message
it seems impossible that you are stuck at 185 after doing
make prod-clean
20:39
what are the odds you would crash at the same height
G
20:39
Gonzalo
(amoveo_core_prod@amoveo-scaleway-03)1> many headers [-6,1001,200]
many headers [-6,1001,83]
talk_helper failed_connect 1
server crashed.
test
server crashed.
test
many headers [-6,1001,1200]
server crashed.
test
Z
G
20:40
Gonzalo
👍
20:41
Ok, so after the last "git pull", should we do "make prod-clean"?
Z
20:41
Zack
looks like the
potential block died! problem is still happening.
G
20:42
Gonzalo
well, I was stuck at block height 162
Z
20:43
Zack
then you need to "make prod-clean"
G
20:43
Gonzalo
👍 and then, should we do "sync:start" OR "sync_mode:normal" ??
Z
G
20:46
Gonzalo
ok. Actual height is 325?
Z
20:47
Zack
327
G
20:47
Gonzalo
328
20:47
perfect
20:47
so I've got 51.15.212.91 node updated
Z
G
20:48
Gonzalo
👍👍
20:48
Deleted Account
height 334 I am ok?
20:49
Deleted Account
(amoveo_core_prod@usman-GE70-2PC)2> syncing with this peer now [-7,[-7,51,15,212,91],8080]
trade peers
get their top header
get blocks from them.
another get_blocks thread
another get_blocks thread
another get_blocks thread
another get_blocks thread
could not get block 208 from peer [-7,[-7,51,15,212,91],8080]
trade peers
get their top header
get blocks from them.
another get_blocks thread
another get_blocks thread
another get_blocks thread
another get_blocks thread
could not get block 208 from peer [-7,[-7,51,15,212,91],8080]
Z
20:49
Zack
In reply to this message
this isn't necessarily a problem. unless it is appearing over and over and you cannot sync.
20:50
Deleted Account
(amoveo_core_prod@usman-GE70-2PC)2> could not get block 208 from peer [-7,[-7,51,15,212,91],8080]
(amoveo_core_prod@usman-GE70-2PC)2> sync:start(). * 1: syntax error before: get_blocks
(amoveo_core_prod@usman-GE70-2PC)2> api:height().
328
(amoveo_core_prod@usman-GE70-2PC)3> block:height().
0
(amoveo_core_prod@usman-GE70-2PC)2> sync:start(). * 1: syntax error before: get_blocks
(amoveo_core_prod@usman-GE70-2PC)2> api:height().
328
(amoveo_core_prod@usman-GE70-2PC)3> block:height().
0
lw
20:50
lijun wang
Z
20:50
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
it is happening over again first with your node now with gonzalo
Z
20:51
Zack
In reply to this message
try deleting your database and restarting with the most up-to-date code.
WL
Z
20:51
Zack
I hope BATman will sell Veo for a good price
20:52
Deleted Account
What is the transfer cost?
Z
20:52
Zack
In reply to this message
the software was updated like 15 minutes ago. maybe pulling the change will fix it for you.
WL
20:52
Wilson Lau
i did pull already
Z
MH
20:52
Mandel Hoff
Restart block 0 please.
Z
20:53
Zack
In reply to this message
can you send me the log
_build/prod/rel/amoveo_core/log/crash.log
20:53
you can attach the entire thing as a file in a PM
20:54
Deleted Account
(amoveo_core_prod@usman-GE70-2PC)5> block:height().
342
(amoveo_core_prod@usman-GE70-2PC)6> api:height().
353
(amoveo_core_prod@usman-GE70-2PC)7>
.
342
(amoveo_core_prod@usman-GE70-2PC)6> api:height().
353
(amoveo_core_prod@usman-GE70-2PC)7>
.
20:54
Deleted Account
Amoveopool was up for like a minute, down again.
OK
20:54
O K
zack pool down again
K
20:54
Kenny
its up
20:55
Deleted Account
Yeah
OK
20:55
O K
thank you
Z
20:56
Zack
In reply to this message
yes. blocks are taking too much time to sync. this is partly because we are mining so fast.
20:56
Deleted Account
I am on 361 now
Z
20:56
Zack
360
20:57
364
k
20:57
kdmlll
Is BATman a known entity?
Z
20:57
we could analyze network traffic and try to find them
20:58
it looks like my pool found 2 more blocks!
k
Z
20:59
Zack
I have 0.5 VEO so far
20:59
Deleted Account
zack how much hash required to mine 1 veo now..?
21:00
Deleted Account
30 seconds
21:00
oh
21:00
Deleted Account
Z
21:00
Deleted Account
why like this?
21:00
Deleted Account
mandel is up
Z
21:01
Deleted Account
yeah I think solo mining is difficult veos will be expensive lol
Z
21:01
Zack
BATman took my block rewards
OK
21:01
O K
that BATstard
21:01
I'm here all day folks 😐
Z
21:01
Zack
Who is BATman? can I buy some VEO from you?
21:02
it will take me around 2 hours to mine 1 veo
MH
21:02
Deleted Account
maybe Bats got the gpu working?
G
21:02
Gonzalo
I'll beat him with BJOKER 😂
k
21:02
kdmlll
It is disconcerting to me that BATman has so much hashpower but not running pool or known. Feels unfair to Zack.. you should take premine
MH
21:02
Mandel Hoff
is invalid header without enough work a thing?
21:02
Deleted Account
Is Mr. BatMan hoarding all the veo? Can we ban him?
OK
21:03
O K
GPU would level playing field
MH
21:03
Mandel Hoff
Ok, pool looks alive for now. I'll be back in 90 minutes.
21:03
I'd be very happy to start over at 0 if that goes to a vote. Back later.
F
21:04
Francesco @ Simply
mandel down again i think
OK
21:04
O K
That sets a bad precedent, I will fork to Amoveo Classic
21:04
😜
M
21:04
Mike
do it after GPU become public
21:04
Deleted Account
it has to be a gpu since im mining on i7 and will take a 2 hours atleast for my cpu to mine
M
21:05
Mike
right now someone just getting all the blocks with closed source gpu mining
21:05
Deleted Account
mandels down
21:05
Deleted Account
gpu miner can save us all
K
21:05
Kenny
wow
21:05
what a clusterfuck
Z
21:05
Zack
In reply to this message
your node thinks it received an invalid header. maybe someone is running the code from yesterday and sending you headers with lower difficulty.
K
21:05
Kenny
pool goes down right as he leaves
Z
21:06
Zack
the update we did only stopped us from contacting them, they can still send us messages
MH
21:06
Mandel Hoff
Sorry, i really have to go and pool down. Sorry, but I can't fix it for 90 min. 😢
K
21:06
Kenny
its ok
21:06
still a clusterfuck.....lmao
G
K
21:06
Kenny
probably should have pushed the date
OK
21:07
O K
Well, probably we should be running our own nodes
21:07
not relying on a pool
21:08
I'm working on a VPS right now
21:08
Deleted Account
what if BATman is among us. Acting to be innocent ..?
Z
K
21:08
Kenny
yeah, but it has been impossible to sync the past couple days
21:08
well i guess impossible to stay in sync
Z
OK
21:09
O K
👍
21:09
Deleted Account
zack, do you sleep? I've been up for over 24 hours and you seem to have been here this whole time
21:10
probably just the adrenaline
Z
21:11
Deleted Account
haha, I think I saw that go really poorly in an episode of seinfeld
OK
21:11
O K
I keep getting
Permission denied (publickey). when trying to log into new VPS that I set up with SSH key
Z
21:11
Zack
They call it a "siesta" where I am from.
Plenty of studies show that sleeping twice a day is healthier.
Plenty of studies show that sleeping twice a day is healthier.
OK
21:12
O K
Don't the studies talk about a normal night's sleep plus a nap... you're bordering on polyphasic there (you do you)
21:12
Deleted Account
I feel you but working in crypto you either have to take amazing notes or have to spend the first 30 minutes ramping back up to wherever you left off
21:13
I guess I already know its the notes based on the 200 individual pages of .md files in your repos
OK
21:13
Deleted Account
I just assumed zack had an Adderall RX
OK
21:15
O K
Modafinil xD
21:15
(kidding}
RL
21:16
R L
Hey all did you all launch the main net?
21:16
Deleted Account
@Mandelhoff You better watch out, the downtime is just going to make me spend the time making a new pool
G
OK
21:16
O K
Do it
21:16
Zack pool
Z
G
21:16
Gonzalo
Yeah, on the long term we need more pools.
RL
21:18
Congrats to all of you. You guys have been nailing it
K
21:18
Kenny
agreed
21:19
Deleted Account
k back to programming, 😵
k
21:19
kdmlll
Hey guys, I'm on block 429; is that up to date? How fast are we adding blocks atm?
21:19
Deleted Account
BatMan has 320 veo already
OK
21:20
O K
🐳
21:20
Deleted Account
Shouldn't we punish hoarding?
Z
k
21:20
kdmlll
In reply to this message
Doesnt feel good but this is pow, he contributes hashpower he gets paid
21:21
Deleted Account
in theory if a whale with 320 was actually bad and the solution was to dilute them, you'd increase the mining reward after the network was more stable and diversified
Z
O
21:22
Oliver
why can batman mine and all others cannot mine?
Z
21:23
Zack
In reply to this message
the blocks are happening too fast to propagate. once we retarget at high 2000, it will work better.
k
21:23
kdmlll
In reply to this message
How is voting in the governance mechanism weighted though? I assumed based on veo balance. If so, coin owners have poor incentives to dilute their own holdings
RL
21:27
R L
Hey anyone have a pool address? Zack are you still running the Web based one as well?
Z
RL
21:27
R L
Awesome thanks
21:28
Deleted Account
I can't seem to run full node now. Hmmm.
21:28
Deleted Account
I want some VEO 😢
21:28
Deleted Account
Is there a way to clear all running process and restart?
Z
21:31
Deleted Account
Zack dont you think bats its GPU mining?
Z
21:31
Zack
I don't know.
O
Z
21:33
Zack
I think someone is using the wrong Port to mine on my mining pool.
RL
21:34
R L
Hey zack what is the syntax for setting my miner to use your pool?
OK
21:34
O K
what port is right I'll check mine
RL
21:34
R L
C miner
O
21:36
Oliver
In reply to this message
what is the pubkey from batman? I need to enter a pubkey on this page...
G
21:37
Greg
In reply to this message
BATman9wDh0c8K45+MUvXATNROMEtjPQMHXHBHjthmLcCMwF2ESAkh3i3ga5WwhICMjzWfExfQwig7WruIvqtG0=
Z
OK
21:38
O K
I'm on 8085 default on all devices
O
21:38
Oliver
In reply to this message
thanks. is it possible to look up anywhere which address got the reward for new blocks?
G
21:39
Deleted Account
bats got 70% of the veos
O
21:39
Oliver
ahhh thank, did not noticce the second one... 😂
RL
21:41
R L
Can't get work from any pool
21:41
Deleted Account
I went into today hoping to get 2 VEO.. I don't own a datacenter to mine VEO
RL
21:41
Deleted Account
hope I can get 2 blocks.. I'm working on the opencl miner today on ubuntu
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21:42
Deleted Account
found a block
OK
21:42
O K
zack pool
RL
21:42
Deleted Account
i don't think I'll be able to keep any veo i mine today
21:42
my own node
Cryptocamel invited Deleted Account
21:42
Deleted Account
can't keep up
RL
21:42
R L
Aight
21:43
Deleted Account
I believe Bats changed the address for BGDXGmovuTEr3CFfzY0xr0zXS3purkIPPZsljZv4gvQe87K6W8be1IpwDwmqhgcSIlhTvb9Q7pgrl+h2dmXGEXM= is mining all now its getting all the veos
O
OK
21:43
O K
BAT is among us
21:43
Deleted Account
sure
O
21:44
Oliver
the height was redouced just now?
21:44
reduced
21:44
Deleted Account
Is Zack's pool down?
RL
21:44
R L
Is anyone successfully mining a pool?
OK
21:44
O K
Zack's pool goes doewn from time to time, it is down right now
21:44
back up
Z
21:45
Deleted Account
Halo can anyone tell me how to mine this coin using gpu? Only read cpu miner only
Z
21:45
Zack
It seems like BATman stopped sharing blocks. he only gives us headers.
21:46
This is a type of attack.
21:46
Light nodes wont work until the attack stops.
21:46
BATman needs external IP in order for us to download blocks from him
21:46
Deleted Account
Your pool stil down
21:46
Deleted Account
root@AnAmoveo:~/amoveo# make prod-build
===> Verifying dependencies...
===> Skipping pink_hash (from {git,
"https://github.com/BumblebeeBat/pink_crypto",
{tag,"master"}}) as an app of the same name has already been fetched
===> Compiling amoveo_http
===> Compiling amoveo_core
===> Starting relx build process ...
===> Resolving OTP Applications from directories:
/root/amoveo/_build/prod/lib
/root/amoveo/apps
/usr/lib/erlang/lib
/root/amoveo/_build/prod/rel
===> Resolved amoveo_core-0.1.0
===> Including Erts from /usr/lib/erlang
===> release successfully created!
root@AnAmoveo:~/amoveo# make prod-go
root@AnAmoveo:~/amoveo# make prod-attach
Node is not running!
Makefile:144: recipe for target 'attach' failed
make: *** [attach] Error 1
root@AnAmoveo:~/amoveo#
===> Verifying dependencies...
===> Skipping pink_hash (from {git,
"https://github.com/BumblebeeBat/pink_crypto",
{tag,"master"}}) as an app of the same name has already been fetched
===> Compiling amoveo_http
===> Compiling amoveo_core
===> Starting relx build process ...
===> Resolving OTP Applications from directories:
/root/amoveo/_build/prod/lib
/root/amoveo/apps
/usr/lib/erlang/lib
/root/amoveo/_build/prod/rel
===> Resolved amoveo_core-0.1.0
===> Including Erts from /usr/lib/erlang
===> release successfully created!
root@AnAmoveo:~/amoveo# make prod-go
root@AnAmoveo:~/amoveo# make prod-attach
Node is not running!
Makefile:144: recipe for target 'attach' failed
make: *** [attach] Error 1
root@AnAmoveo:~/amoveo#
21:47
why isn't my node running?
Z
21:47
Deleted Account
Ok i will test it
21:47
Deleted Account
i did
21:47
Deleted Account
Thank zack
Z
21:47
Zack
it is because you typed the commands too quick
21:48
it didn't have time to turn on, and you already tried attaching. so the attach failed.
21:48
if you do
make prod-restart it automatically waits 3 seconds before trying to attach.
21:49
The mining pool is port 8085. whoever is spamming mining data to my server at 8080 is not going to find any blocks.
21:50
Deleted Account
root@AnAmoveo:~/amoveo# make prod-restart
===> Verifying dependencies...
===> Skipping pink_hash (from {git,
"https://github.com/BumblebeeBat/pink_crypto",
{tag,"master"}}) as an app of the same name has already been fetched
===> Compiling amoveo_http
===> Compiling amoveo_core
===> Starting relx build process ...
===> Resolving OTP Applications from directories:
/root/amoveo/_build/prod/lib
/root/amoveo/apps
/usr/lib/erlang/lib
/root/amoveo/_build/prod/rel
===> Resolved amoveo_core-0.1.0
===> Including Erts from /usr/lib/erlang
===> release successfully created!
make[1]: Entering directory '/root/amoveo'
Node is not running!
Makefile:144: recipe for target 'attach' failed
make[1]: * [attach] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory '/root/amoveo'
Makefile:278: recipe for target 'prod-restart' failed
make: * [prod-restart] Error 2
root@AnAmoveo:~/amoveo#
===> Verifying dependencies...
===> Skipping pink_hash (from {git,
"https://github.com/BumblebeeBat/pink_crypto",
{tag,"master"}}) as an app of the same name has already been fetched
===> Compiling amoveo_http
===> Compiling amoveo_core
===> Starting relx build process ...
===> Resolving OTP Applications from directories:
/root/amoveo/_build/prod/lib
/root/amoveo/apps
/usr/lib/erlang/lib
/root/amoveo/_build/prod/rel
===> Resolved amoveo_core-0.1.0
===> Including Erts from /usr/lib/erlang
===> release successfully created!
make[1]: Entering directory '/root/amoveo'
Node is not running!
Makefile:144: recipe for target 'attach' failed
make[1]: * [attach] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory '/root/amoveo'
Makefile:278: recipe for target 'prod-restart' failed
make: * [prod-restart] Error 2
root@AnAmoveo:~/amoveo#
Z
21:50
Zack
we mined a few blocks with my mining pool! good job guys
Z
21:50
Zack
we can beat BATman's attack, eventually
RL
21:51
R L
I've read the readme trying to get work
21:51
Deleted Account
i got 60 cpus + another handful if mandel works again
D
21:51
Denis
In reply to this message
So, he's basically performing 50+% attack, not allowing anyone else mine a block?
RL
21:51
??
21:52
Deleted Account
Z
21:52
Zack
In reply to this message
He is attacking himself at this point. Doing lots of work and not getting paid.
21:52
Deleted Account
Can i mine using this ☺️
21:52
Zack
RL
21:52
R L
No gpu
21:52
Deleted Account
Omg stil cpu 😳
21:53
Deleted Account
It is Nan, I don't think I am earning any veo from your pool. I have about 0.05 veo balance on mandell's pool though.
21:53
I am connected to the 8085 port
O
21:54
Oliver
what is the total amount ever be mined?
WL
21:54
Wilson Lau
How many hash rate is needed to produce a block?
N invited CryptoBurn
21:55
Deleted Account
Hey zack where trying to mine your coin using our gpu rig , can you described to me zack because we are really interested with your coin ?
G
21:55
Gonzalo
Ok, so I've got all my 3 full nodes updated and "synced": 51.15.69.135 , 51.15.212.91 and 163.172.144.202 . Headers at height 540 on all of them, blocks at height 453/454
Z
21:57
Zack
BATman has 544 blocks, but he wont share.
I have 471 blocks.
I have 471 blocks.
O
21:57
Oliver
In reply to this message
I block explorer reduced the height on the webpage at some point.
Z
21:58
Zack
I have 6 VEO!
I hope BATman doesn't share his blocks and undo all my rewards
I hope BATman doesn't share his blocks and undo all my rewards
21:59
BATman is mining like 3x faster than my pool.
Come-on guys, we got to beat him. find more computers to join the pool
Come-on guys, we got to beat him. find more computers to join the pool
P|
21:59
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
has the mainnet launched already?
Z
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21:59
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
wow, congrats man!
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22:00
Deleted Account
Zack does mandels miner work on your pool ?
Z
22:00
Zack
I am still guessing there is around 4/5ths chance it will die the first month, and we will all start over with 0 balance again.
G
Z
22:00
Zack
BATman is like 6x faster. it seems hopeless
O
22:01
Oliver
In reply to this message
As far as I understand the mining power should be important and not how many blocks are mined by whom.
D
22:01
Denis
In reply to this message
If he win, we'll lose all rewards, and he'll got all rewards for first 2000 blocks?
22:01
Deleted Account
sec, I'll hop on zacks pool
Z
OK
22:01
O K
Can we mine on VPS?
Z
22:01
Zack
unless we can beat him before then
22:01
yes
OK
22:01
O K
I'll buy processing power
G
22:02
Gonzalo
VPS != processing power
OK
22:02
O K
well can I buy processing power?
22:02
Deleted Account
I will buy too, i will fight against batma,
22:02
batman*
G
22:03
Gonzalo
unless you get a bunch of dedicated servers... or a botnet
22:03
Deleted Account
ok, just brought 3 machines onto zacks pool, I'll bring 2 more on shortly
Z
22:05
Zack
BATman has so much power.
I wonder if he purposefully attacks, or if it is an accident
I wonder if he purposefully attacks, or if it is an accident
22:06
In reply to this message
I think he release a GPU miner with success, and have some mining rigs
G
Z
22:06
Zack
The language barrier is pretty big for some of us.
Wouldn't BATman rather get rich than destroy the network?
Wouldn't BATman rather get rich than destroy the network?
O
WL
G
Z
22:06
Deleted Account
well when you say things like "it has a 20% chance of surviving" it makes it feel like its less valuable.
MH
D
22:07
Denis
He'is getting like 5-10 times more blocks than the rest of the network, shutting down my wps cuz there's no chance to win, complete waste of money.
O
Z
22:07
Zack
It seems like BATman is staying exactly 100 blocks ahead of us, but he only tells us his headers. It is starting to seem more like an attack.
r
22:07
raketralph
Isnt it better to release a gpu miner and then mainnet otherwise we never gna catch up to batman
Z
22:07
Zack
We can do a hard fork to make his pubkey invalid.
O
22:08
Oliver
Two friends of mine also wanna start mining
r
22:08
raketralph
He ll just mine on the hard fork
Z
22:08
Zack
This is an expensive attack to pull off, if we keep upgrading to undo the attack, eventually they will give up
22:08
I like it
Z
22:08
Zack
Lets give him a little more time, just in case it is an accident.
G
22:09
Greg
In reply to this message
this could be useless if he/she regenerate a wallet. we should start again with the GPU miner released. the opencl one is almost ready, somebody could probably fix it
JT
22:09
John Tromp
it's a very cheap attack for someone with an FPGA rig
r
Z
22:10
In reply to this message
It is more profitable to mine for profit in comparison to attacking it. how come none of us are using an FPGA rig to mine profitably?
22:10
Deleted Account
Have someone a quantum computer at home ?
O
Z
22:10
Zack
I think this is probably an accident on BATman's part. he is probably asleep.
AB
22:11
Asda Bayor
How much is it costing him to mine right now?
Z
AB
22:11
Asda Bayor
Rough guess?
JT
22:12
John Tromp
in either case, it's tough pitting cpus against fpgas
O
22:17
Oliver
what is the pubkey of mandelhoffs pool?
K
22:17
Kenny
i believe its BKyLqCvF5vt7KBiPLId7xlW64Bb/uV+icPnvn5mgEKncqlCKiaXUTkRcZv7iYK3GKxSspNh0leIhc4YA+DJAY/s=
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22:18
Denis
In reply to this message
How about adding checkpoint mechanism? It's popular way of protecting pow blockchains against 51% attackers.
Z
JT
22:19
John Tromp
centralization to the rescue!
M
JT
22:20
John Tromp
there are not that many John Tromp 🙂
Z
22:21
Zack
He might be using Tromp's name.
22:22
Mandel is back. maybe we can beat BATman
22:22
Deleted Account
Is it wrong that I find this more interesting than if everything went smoothly:)
CB
22:23
CeloStarter Bandits
becaue that is normal
22:24
Pool will go up down Mainnet may break restarted
22:24
thats how things works in beggining
22:25
Zack dont want spam but i like to create somehow a small marketplace for all the NOOBs who canz mine and want AM.. But clear warning of super risk are stated
Z
22:25
Zack
it seems like BATman is giving headers to someone who is not me, and they spread from that person to the rest of us.
CB
22:26
CeloStarter Bandits
nice...
22:26
ty
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22:27
Oliver
we should get on an exchange, trading on a reddit page is not really an option
22:27
Deleted Account
I already had started building my miners.. I have 10 servers going now, and rebooted my node
22:28
Deleted Account
api:height is network while block:height is your current node's?
JT
22:35
John Tromp
if ASICs is your end goal, then you should use a widespread PoW so that many coin's marketcap can justify designing one
O
Z
22:36
Zack
In reply to this message
An ASIC that can be used for more than one blockchain is as bad as GPU
22:36
This seems like a John Tromp thing to say. I think he is real
JT
22:37
John Tromp
i think so too
22:37
i think it cld be many years before amoveo marketcap justifies its own asic
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22:38
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
how do I get the full node to sync?
MH
22:38
Mandel Hoff
I'm trying really hard. Erlang node/pool keeps crashing. I'm very sorry for all the down time.
O
JT
22:39
John Tromp
i'm not from aeternity. just advice them on how best to use cuckoo cycle
K
Z
22:40
I found batman
22:40
Deleted Account
nice
22:41
good job !
JT
22:41
John Tromp
bitcoin has no problem with other coins using sha256d
O
G
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22:43
Zack
no, we just need to add him to our peers list I think
22:43
then we can sync again
22:43
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
c-miner. but i’m working on the opencl. can’t get the thing to work 😡
JT
22:43
John Tromp
i think grin is more promising
OK
22:43
O K
what are the running hypotheses for what needs to be done to fix opencl
22:44
Deleted Account
Cminer from zack github ok test on my rig 😊
O
22:46
Oliver
mandelhoffs pool online again
OK
22:47
O K
zack too
JT
22:48
John Tromp
anyway, an "ASIC that can be used on only one blockchain" makes non sense, since any PoW can be adopted by other blockchains, or forks of your own
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22:49
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
if block:height() stays at 0, what does it mean?
22:50
Deleted Account
you need to sync
OK
22:50
O K
did you
sync:start().
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22:51
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
I tried to follow the https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/getting-started/sync.md
22:51
22:52
opps sorry. I mean at » sync:get_headers({{1,2,3,4}, 8080}).
OK
22:52
O K
1,2,3,4 is an IP address
22:52
so, use batman's 24.5.185.238
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22:52
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
oh I see
Z
22:54
Zack
In reply to this message
yes, this is a reasonable argument. We can't stop people from making forks.
If blockchains share the same POW algorithm, I think the equilibrium is for all to die but one.
If blockchains share the same POW algorithm, I think the equilibrium is for all to die but one.
JT
22:55
John Tromp
i think the equilibrium is to each have some percentage, according to their marketcap
22:56
because if enough miners leave one coin, then that coin becomes more profitable
22:56
assuming a responsive difficulty adjustment
OK
22:56
O K
Well, according to the block reward/difficulty/etc some equilibrium, but not market cap per se
Z
22:57
Zack
the die due to attacks from the dominant chain, not from a loss of market cap.
JT
22:57
John Tromp
i use marketcap as a shorthand for daily emission
22:57
Deleted Account
sync:get_headers({{24,5,185,238}, 8080}). is working for you? i still stucked in 535
JT
22:57
John Tromp
it's all about how many dollars worth of coins you can mine in a day
22:57
that determines how much energy miners will spend on you
Z
22:58
Zack
oh, I see. BATman never did the update for getting rid of peers using the old version of the software.
OK
22:58
O K
>.<
22:58
Deleted Account
what are the requirements of starting a pool?
JT
22:59
John Tromp
bitcoin cash has a responsive diff adjustment
F
22:59
Francesco @ Simply
since bat is not sending blocks, does this mean that once these will be shared he'll have much more than the current 336 balance?
JT
22:59
John Tromp
so it gets a constant percentage of sha256d hashpower
Z
23:00
Zack
Batman made a lot of money from my mistake. sorry guys.
OK
23:00
Deleted Account
do a vote and start from 0
r
23:00
raketralph
Shit happens
OK
23:03
O K
What would have prevented it? Refusing anyone running old software?
Z
23:06
Zack
I did the 2 steps too quickly. not enough people updated their api before it became a requirement.
I thought that mandel and scott would be more than 50%. I didn't know batman as a single person would be over 2/3rds of the mining power.
I thought that mandel and scott would be more than 50%. I didn't know batman as a single person would be over 2/3rds of the mining power.
23:06
I wrote a fix and synced with BATman
23:07
Deleted Account
BATman just blew us out of the water
Z
23:07
Zack
I think even if we were all in sync, BATman still would have this many blocks, and the rest of us would only have 100.
23:08
Deleted Account
to be fair, I think the pool would be more powerful if it could stay online
23:09
Deleted Account
I'm sync'ed and still 200 block behind batman
Z
23:09
Deleted Account
🤞
23:09
Deleted Account
Makefile:144: recipe for target 'attach' failed when make prod-restart
JT
23:10
John Tromp
what is your block interval?
Z
23:11
Zack
In reply to this message
it will retarget to 10 minutes eventually.
The governance mechanism can change the target period.
The governance mechanism can change the target period.
JT
23:11
John Tromp
for a more well behaved start, you shld overestimate initial difficulty
23:11
so blocks don't come in too fast
O
OK
23:12
O K
Haven't connected to Zack's pool in some time
23:12
@johntromp do you have a twitter handle?
JT
23:12
John Tromp
i dont tweet
23:12
Deleted Account
hey guys, what are you block heights?
Z
23:15
Zack
I am synced with BATman
23:15
the fork was too big, it can't automatically recover.
23:15
it needs to retart from genesis block
23:16
@Mandelhoff we can connect to BATman now. We need to update the software and restart from genesis block.
23:16
Deleted Account
why not a fix to avoid not last version to be run? this would oblied anyone to be updated.
Z
Z
23:18
Zack
yeah, batman has all the blocks
23:18
for like 8 days worth
23:19
Deleted Account
so somebody called BATman has taken over the network?
K
23:19
Kenny
Z
23:19
Zack
haha
23:20
Deleted Account
i'm like 300 behind.. so what's the plan..
23:21
prod-clean? I did that and still behind
23:21
Deleted Account
if we are going to go back to genesis, why rush in again?
23:21
Deleted Account
i liked some sentences about amoveo , and this mainnet is not aligned with them, i think a start from scrach would be more fair. Batman will again bait us but with a more fair rules.
23:21
"Everyone is begging for handouts from the counterfeiters, the best strategy is to team together into centralized institutions, that way you can afford to lobby the counterfeiters."
"Amoveo is being built to create a world where everyone has equal access to these life-sustaining tools: money and derivatives....
Amoveo is technology to permanently protect these basic financial human rights for everyone."
"Amoveo is being built to create a world where everyone has equal access to these life-sustaining tools: money and derivatives....
Amoveo is technology to permanently protect these basic financial human rights for everyone."
Z
23:22
Zack
In reply to this message
yes, it takes a little luck. since not many of us have switched, and the software doen't understand about forks bigger than 20 blocks.
23:22
if you sync with the wrong person, then you get stuck
23:22
Deleted Account
A few days and I could have a reliable pool up, maybe even with a gpu miner to help the network balance
Z
23:22
Zack
I am working on an update so the blockchain can understand about forks that are 500 big.
K
23:23
Kenny
any thoughs on having a option where you could put the nodes you want to sync to in a config file? then you wont sync to unwanted nodes
Z
23:23
Zack
I am synced with BATman and my mining pool is working
23:24
good idea kenny
23:26
Deleted Account
so we have to start mainnet again? If so any dates?
23:26
Deleted Account
ok so i'm sync'ed to over 800 now
Z
23:27
Deleted Account
ok
23:29
Deleted Account
sucks batman has all the blocks.. batman all me 0
s
23:30
Deleted Account
i think the batchain
Z
23:30
Zack
Well, how about we raise the block reward . then the veo that batman got will be smaller in comparison?
s
23:30
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
if no one can sync with batman, is it even part of the project?
23:31
just a computer running a private chain
Z
23:31
Zack
Should we give people another 2 weeks warning before we relaunch?
23:31
Deleted Account
i think everyone is here already
Z
23:32
Zack
I think we can accomplish the same thing by raising the block reward to like 20
23:32
Deleted Account
sure.. i'm game
s
23:32
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
i say start over
K
23:32
Kenny
im down either way
s
23:32
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
rather than have a monument to a couple early bugs be in the narrative of the chain forever
23:32
Deleted Account
let batman have his tiny reward... or we can relaunch..
s
23:33
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
maybe batman can get a tiny piece of the new genesis block or something
MH
23:33
Mandel Hoff
My pool is up by my dashboards are down. I think all the users were ddosing me. Miners should work but you cant check status.
23:33
Deleted Account
Mandel, thats the downside to the getwork mining protocol
23:34
You need to scale way bigger to handle it
Z
23:35
Zack
What if we try again, 24 hours after our previous try. 11 AM GMT March 3.
Does that give us enough time to prepare?
Does that give us enough time to prepare?
JT
23:35
John Tromp
take a week, get some sleep
23:35
Deleted Account
sure tomorrow it is
MH
23:35
Mandel Hoff
The frequent requests to the erlang node were making that break. Alot of that was just dashboard monitors that people are using, so i t urned that off for now
OK
23:35
O K
I think we can do a lot in a week
KR
23:36
Kevin Roberts BWD
re launch March 18th
O
23:36
Oliver
will there be a reset, so I know I can stop mining :D
23:36
Deleted Account
imo, take your time to make sure its done right. We all know you're working diligently, imagine what could be done by pushing the project 1 week out
23:36
Deleted Account
is that the lanuch failed?
Z
23:37
Zack
We could do both, and see which chain has higher difficulty
23:37
Deleted Account
I just finish surgery
23:37
Deleted Account
failure makes it sound like it wasn't a big learning experience
23:37
I'd say it was a success, but not as big of one as hoped.
23:37
my $.02
23:37
Deleted Account
every progress is a great thing
O
23:38
Oliver
why not just keep it as it is? this tiny reward for bitman is not that big in the long run
OK
23:38
O K
found batman
23:38
x) jk
s
23:38
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
hahahaha
23:38
lol
K
23:38
Kenny
lmao
23:38
Deleted Account
hahaha
s
23:38
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
maybe we should have a few more test net launches..
K
23:39
Kenny
i agree
23:39
Deleted Account
i agres
s
23:39
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
and incentivize them with genesis block tokens, so people show up
K
23:39
Kenny
really it would be nice if we had mainnet after at least 3 days of smooth test net days
s
23:39
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
but not call it a main net launch
23:39
Deleted Account
we need more test launch
s
Z
23:40
Zack
In reply to this message
We had months of smooth test net days. but there was only 1 miner at a time
Once there was the potential of value, people got involved
Once there was the potential of value, people got involved
23:40
Deleted Account
so this launch stopped or not?
s
23:41
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
how bout incentivized testnet trial launches? where you just assign some gen block tokens, rather than have it be a free for all that the mainnet launch will be
23:41
Deleted Account
should I turn on my miner after i go home
23:41
What is the siuation now
Z
23:42
Zack
these are such tough questions. Are we sure this is even my decision?
K
23:42
Kenny
zack you are out of sync with batman again....just fyi
23:42
Deleted Account
Should test until the net much more stable. Not crashed so often.
s
23:42
Deleted Account
mr. answers every question and is always helpful
23:42
I'm pretty sure at this point there is no one better to make that decision
OK
23:42
O K
I'm with you zack
K
23:42
Kenny
agreed
23:43
Deleted Account
If you are gonna relaunch, maybe it's a good idea to use this opportunity to play with governance variables. See how that works on live network?
JT
23:43
John Tromp
imagine how much time you need to have next mainnet launch with > 90% success prob
23:43
Deleted Account
I mean, I hate the idea of killing a chain because of problems. It sets a bad precedent, but if we can make this the only time I think its not so bad because its early on.
JT
23:44
John Tromp
1 day doesn't cut it
s
Z
23:44
Zack
In reply to this message
I wont live that long.
I need the help of a community incentivized with the potential to make a profit.
I need the help of a community incentivized with the potential to make a profit.
23:44
In reply to this message
this is an interesting idea.
We can try to use the governance mechanism to fix it, and see how it goes. we can always restart next week.
We can try to use the governance mechanism to fix it, and see how it goes. we can always restart next week.
RL
23:45
R L
Look at this as a mainnet soft launch
23:45
No one can really be surprised there are issues
CB
23:45
CeloStarter Bandits
so this one is done.. scale down?
Z
23:45
Zack
It is better for us to practice using the governance mechanism to solve our problems. In the future we wont be able to restart so easily
CB
23:45
CeloStarter Bandits
and wait for next.. We need a clear call here
23:45
Deleted Account
we will restart launch next week for sure?
RL
23:45
R L
Zack you have been very open about the potential of unrecoverable issues from day one
23:46
Deleted Account
or u havn't decided yet
CB
23:46
CeloStarter Bandits
i mean.. now we can fix problems
Z
23:46
Zack
I think the current blockchain has about a 15% of having value in 30 days, and a 85% chance that we will start over.
23:46
So don't mine too much.
RL
23:46
Deleted Account
ok
CB
23:47
CeloStarter Bandits
so we experiment.. 3-4 Days.. and will look later on it
Z
23:47
Zack
yes
O
CB
23:47
CeloStarter Bandits
ok... i will scale down
CB
23:47
CeloStarter Bandits
no i am not batman😂
K
23:47
Kenny
lol
CB
23:48
CeloStarter Bandits
got 2 AM mined
O
CB
23:48
CeloStarter Bandits
yes , can s
s
23:48
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
important to remember that given the history... its not impossible that well-financed people may have emotional motivations for wanting amoveo to fail
CB
23:48
CeloStarter Bandits
no idea why telegramm does bold
s
23:48
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
beyond narrow economic self-interest
CB
23:48
CeloStarter Bandits
didnt press anything
RL
23:49
R L
It literally can't fail. That's the funny thing here.
CB
23:49
CeloStarter Bandits
agreed
RL
23:49
R L
More and more interest and resources every single day
23:50
Deleted Account
block height 902
23:50
he must be feeling rich
Z
23:50
Deleted Account
is that he had GPU miner?
Z
23:51
Zack
I don't know. he is sure fast.
23:52
Deleted Account
he will mine 2000 blocks today and after that difficulty will boost. probably just stop mining at all.
Z
23:52
Zack
This is all my fault. I tried to block the testnet nodes from talking to us.
I should have thought more before pushing that change.
I should have thought more before pushing that change.
s
23:52
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
i dont think this a big deal
K
23:53
plus we need a joker
s
23:53
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
now early community has a problem to solve.... thats not a bad thing.
Z
23:53
Zack
I am determined to provide a better Amoveo experience going forward.
KR
23:53
Kevin Roberts BWD
you will
K
23:53
Kenny
i think we all share that goal
23:53
Deleted Account
block height 9 11 lol
23:54
Deleted Account
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your work is awesome, maybe black and white list to solve this in the next update.
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23:55
Deleted Account
forget about faults now.
23:55
what is the plan now..?
23:55
Deleted Account
We should not restart. We should just change the reward, and this will show how as a community we deal with our issues with the variables, not with hardforks. This might be newsworthy also. And Great Work Zach! It's normal to have issues at such an early stage.
23:56
Deleted Account
i said before i'm ok with just increasing the block reward to make up for the mistake... I'm interested to see if the network can recover from this
23:57
I'm trying to mine blocks, and not having much luck due to the sync issue
23:57
and i keep having to restart the node
K
23:57
Kenny
isnt govenance weighted on how many blocks you have?
OK
23:57
O K
I think people that are saying that a hardfork will perceived wrongly don't know conspiracy theorists well enough
Z
OK
23:58
O K
because it's just as easy to say that there was a pre-mine and it was all deliberate (obv not true)
23:58
Deleted Account
but i'm ok with starting over also..
Z
23:58
Zack
yes, the node is unstable and crashes sometimes.
And propagation is slow for how fast mining is happening.
And propagation is slow for how fast mining is happening.
23:58
Deleted Account
maybe once the diff happens.. we can sync better
23:58
that will be in like 2 hours at BATman's rate
23:59
Deleted Account
i miss testnet days i mined 300 veo one night
23:59
Deleted Account
what CPU do u used
3 March 2018
00:00
Deleted Account
i7 quad core
00:00
Deleted Account
what is the hash rate?
I
00:02
Iridescence
Is Mandel's miner down?
00:02
Mining pool
00:02
Deleted Account
no
I
00:02
Iridescence
It gives me a 404
00:03
Deleted Account
As of few minutes ago the dashboard is down. Buy you can mine.
I
00:03
Iridescence
Oh ok
00:03
Deleted Account
transaction page is working
I
00:03
Iridescence
Is the pool not strong enough to fight Batman?
00:04
Deleted Account
so far all of us combined no
O
JT
00:04
John Tromp
what hardware does batman use?
00:05
Deleted Account
zack did u refreshed your node..?
K
00:05
Kenny
probably a gpu or botnet
I
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Iridescence
Batarang, batmobile
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00:05
Kenny
hahah
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00:05
Kenny
there was someone yesterday talking about using their computer lab
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Deleted Account
i can use my computer lab as well
00:06
there are 15 computers with i7
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and i can configure them to mine for me
00:07
Deleted Account
i mined around 0.2 amoveo on mandels pool and just cecked my balance and it is zero
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00:07
Zack
my computer is 0.3 mh. We did 1000 blocks in 5 hours, of 24 gh each.
that is 1.3 gh per second.
So the network is about 4000x as fast as my laptop.
that is 1.3 gh per second.
So the network is about 4000x as fast as my laptop.
00:07
it is more than a computer lab
00:07
maybe someone has a botnet
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Deleted Account
I don't understrand why Batman doesn't slow down... He must now that it is not sustainable for him to win such a high number of blocks. The community will react and devalue his stake.
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00:08
Kenny
i have a server getting 14 mh
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Deleted Account
add him to the group
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Deleted Account
this is my heavy duty miner. 🤣
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00:08
Kenny
and several gaming rigs getting 5 to 8 mh
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Deleted Account
not so heavy duty lol
00:09
Deleted Account
I have a small cluster of computers I use for fuzzing I threw at amoveo, but I promise I'm not batman
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Deleted Account
how much hash is batman producing
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Deleted Account
I'll upgrade my beast, and give it some brothers
I
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00:10
Zack
Maybe batman doesn't know that their address says batman. and they are wondering who batman is
00:10
we should all check our addresses
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Deleted Account
it's not me.. i'm at 0
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00:10
Paul N. | BAND (🅑) - I'll never DM you
server gave confusing response
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00:10
Zack
oh right, they would have checked their balance
OK
00:11
O K
whoever it is knows they're running thousand times more than everyone else
00:11
Deleted Account
is there a chance that we can combine equal hash to batman..?
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Deleted Account
I imagined someone who got a GPU miner working or even threw some asics at it