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19 March 2018
M
06:02
Marc
ok. we will see.
MH
06:03
Mandel Hoff
OK said the node is the latest master and the pool is the partial-hash-fix branch, so it should all be good to go. The custom pool is certainly on the new pow else miners would get spammed with "diff too low" errors.
OK
06:04
O K
Correct
06:04
The miner node from partial-hash-fix branch is giving error reports
Z
06:05
Zack
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there is no such thing as a "partial-hash-fix branch" of the pool
06:05
use the master branch
06:06
or the shares branch, once you are willing to upgrade to open source
OK
06:06
O K
There certainly was
Z
06:07
Zack
I got rid of the old master branch, and made the partial-hash-fix into the new master branch
06:07
maybe this was a mistake on my part. It is hard to tell which decision would have been less confusing
OK
06:08
O K
It's okay, this was done before you made that change I believe
06:09
Switched.
Z
06:20
Zack
someone different found a block. it is probably the new pool. Looks like the switch is successful.
OK
06:28
O K
hooray π
MH
06:30
Mandel Hoff
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I
06:39
Iridescence
amoveopool2 hasn't found any blocks yet
OK
06:39
O K
Would it be very difficult to make it so the markets listed in
live markets can be links that serve the same function as lookup market?
Z
06:40
Zack
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Good idea. I was thinking about this today. Especially on my phone, copy paste is cumbersome
06:40
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How can you tell? Someone new found a block recently. What is amoveo2 pubkey?
MH
06:41
Mandel Hoff
It has one so far and has a confirmed block delay before unpaid balance credits it.
Z
OK
06:43
O K
Correct, BKdkHXUeBIgzqyQ0morfNcw2AKIc/n1NAt0pK34ESnaC62mpSSMAqMsArWIqcyWWACdIL9r82UhnuUJIbueRH04=
Z
06:44
Zack
I realized a bug with our mining pool design.
People are incentivized to mine for the first ~100 seconds after a block is found, then they turn off their miner until the next block is found.
The profitability of mining decreases with time.
It seems like shares should stick around for like 5 or 10 blocks until they completely turn into veo.
People are incentivized to mine for the first ~100 seconds after a block is found, then they turn off their miner until the next block is found.
The profitability of mining decreases with time.
It seems like shares should stick around for like 5 or 10 blocks until they completely turn into veo.
06:44
I wonder if someone is already exploiting this.
We could do statistics on the block times to find out.
We could do statistics on the block times to find out.
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06:49
Paul N. | BAND (π
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How does that benefit the miner to mine that way?
06:49
Deleted Account
Iβve been mining on amoveo2 for about an hour now... shows hash, but no unpaid balance... anyone else having this issue?
Z
06:50
Zack
because if a block is found early on, there are less shares to distribute the reward to, so each share is worth more.
OK
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06:51
Paul N. | BAND (π
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Make sense
06:51
Deleted Account
Thanks
Z
06:51
Zack
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Maybe try this one: http://159.89.106.253:8085/
you can see your shares here: http://159.89.106.253:8085/main.html
you can see your shares here: http://159.89.106.253:8085/main.html
OK
06:51
O K
Lol
Z
06:55
Zack
You might think that the attack I described doesn't work right now, because the majority of cost for now is access to GPU, not electricity.
And it isn't possible to rent GPU for such short time periods.
But, an attacker could make a miner that mines on Amoveo for the first 50 seconds after a block is found, and then switches to mining on some other blockchain for the rest of the time
And it isn't possible to rent GPU for such short time periods.
But, an attacker could make a miner that mines on Amoveo for the first 50 seconds after a block is found, and then switches to mining on some other blockchain for the rest of the time
06:56
This attack makes the mining pool less profitable for everyone else.
06:58
I think the elegant solution is if we convert something like 10% of each account's shares into veo every time a block is found.
This way we don't have to remember any more variables.
This way we don't have to remember any more variables.
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07:01
Paul N. | BAND (π
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I think every crypto with GPU mining has this problem?
Z
07:02
Zack
All mining pools that don't use ASIC can potentially have this problem, if they are programmed poorly like Mandel's and mine are.
But we can fix it with the solution I just described.
But we can fix it with the solution I just described.
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07:02
Paul N. | BAND (π
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That's where Nicehash shines
M
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07:07
Deleted Account
07:07
Hooray it's been like 3 hours, but I finally got something lol
07:07
So price went up to $100 each....I hope
07:09
So I assume since there's only 17 miners on the new amoveopool2 we're going to have this slow of block times?
OK
07:11
O K
So, there's more already on the way
07:11
And people will want to switch soon, Mandel will start gradually raising the prices, and things will be back to normal
07:11
Then we can start adding redundancy and improvments
Z
07:16
Zack
It is even easier to do this attack than I had thought. They can switch back and forth between the Amoveopool2 and my original mining pool that doesn't have shares.
So they don't even have to install different mining software.
So they don't even have to install different mining software.
07:23
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T is the amount of time since the last block was mined.
P is the average period between 2 blocks.
S is the rate at which shares are found.
R is 1/10th the reward for finding a block.
The profitability curve of mining without this fix is 10*R/(T*S).
The profitability curve after this fix is ((9*R/(P*S)) + (R/(T*S))).
We can cancel out R/S to simplify.
before the fix is 10/T
after the fix is (9/P) + 1/T
After the fix, the 9/P term is a lower limit on how profitable mining will be. It is a constant that doesn't depend on how much time has passed.
As long as this limit is above the profitability limit for the vast majority of miners, then we are safe from the attack.
Before the fix the reward curve is falling by 10/T, a very rapid fall that gets close to zero quickly, and gets arbitrarily close to zero. So it is very likely that it will become unprofitable for some miners to participate.
P is the average period between 2 blocks.
S is the rate at which shares are found.
R is 1/10th the reward for finding a block.
The profitability curve of mining without this fix is 10*R/(T*S).
The profitability curve after this fix is ((9*R/(P*S)) + (R/(T*S))).
We can cancel out R/S to simplify.
before the fix is 10/T
after the fix is (9/P) + 1/T
After the fix, the 9/P term is a lower limit on how profitable mining will be. It is a constant that doesn't depend on how much time has passed.
As long as this limit is above the profitability limit for the vast majority of miners, then we are safe from the attack.
Before the fix the reward curve is falling by 10/T, a very rapid fall that gets close to zero quickly, and gets arbitrarily close to zero. So it is very likely that it will become unprofitable for some miners to participate.
Z
07:38
Zack
The solution I suggested before has 1 drawback.
It overpays the people who mine the first 10 blocks, and it underpays the people who mine the last 10 blocks before the mining pool eventually gets turned off one day.
So it seems like the mining pool operator should give them self 9*P*S shares before anyone can mine, and when they turn the miner off, they are supposed pay out the ~9 block rewards that they got from those initial shares, and pay them out based on the final distribution of shares held.
So the very last block reward is like 10x bigger.
It overpays the people who mine the first 10 blocks, and it underpays the people who mine the last 10 blocks before the mining pool eventually gets turned off one day.
So it seems like the mining pool operator should give them self 9*P*S shares before anyone can mine, and when they turn the miner off, they are supposed pay out the ~9 block rewards that they got from those initial shares, and pay them out based on the final distribution of shares held.
So the very last block reward is like 10x bigger.
MH
07:38
Mandel Hoff
About 60 minutes until I raise old pool fees to encourage migration. Please switch to your miners to http://amoveopool2.com/work or use the 2.0.0.1 tool version that defaults to that new url.
Z
07:47
Zack
Another solution would be to pay everyone a fixed amount of Veo per share. And the mining pool takes on all the risk of whether we will find enough blocks.
This is dangerous because if a miner is attacking by only giving the pool shares that don't find a block, then the mining pool could run out of money.
This is dangerous because if a miner is attacking by only giving the pool shares that don't find a block, then the mining pool could run out of money.
OK
07:47
O K
It seems like there's a lot of working mining pool templates out there, why reinvent the wheel?
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07:48
Paul N. | BAND (π
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What about paying first miners less?
Z
07:48
Zack
could you point me to a popular one?
07:49
I think it isn't good to put all the risk on the pool operator. The extra risk has a premium, so the miners would be slightly less profitable on average.
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07:49
Paul N. | BAND (π
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You could make it so that miners are rewarded more shares as time go on without mining a block
07:50
This way it would incentivise decentralization, by having people with hash power to switch to pool that are less popular
07:50
if the pool cannot find a block quick enough
Z
07:50
Zack
https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/guides/mining-pools-and-how-they-work/
This page only describes my second solution. I will start calling it "pay per share".
This page only describes my second solution. I will start calling it "pay per share".
07:53
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools
Here is a bunch of them described
Here is a bunch of them described
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07:56
Paul N. | BAND (π
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supposed that at time T the mining pool gets a block, now it starts mining a new block
at time T+1: each share is worth 1 weighted share
at time T+N: each share is worth 1+ K*log(N) weighted share, K is some constant
The payout is calculated based on weighted share. This means miners earn more if they are late-comer.
at time T+1: each share is worth 1 weighted share
at time T+N: each share is worth 1+ K*log(N) weighted share, K is some constant
The payout is calculated based on weighted share. This means miners earn more if they are late-comer.
07:56
Deleted Account
I just downloaded 2.0.0.1, with the older versions we called on the AmobeoMinerGpuCuda.exe, I don't see this part of the zip. How would I run the miner
Z
07:56
Zack
I guess my solution is similar to PPLNS, but they want to group by number of shares instead of number of blocks.
OK
07:57
O K
@Shaners1 You want the pre-built https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerGpuCuda/releases
Z
07:58
I think it is better to group by block, because then you can put 100% of the risk onto the users. So the mining pool fee can be as low as possible.
07:58
Deleted Account
Ty!
Z
07:59
Zack
I think the score type mining pool is the hardest for me to understand.
OK
08:02
O K
PPLNS does seem to be most popular
Z
08:03
Zack
It looks like all the large mining pools are doing one of the 2 strategies I had initially suggested.
And none of the mining pools listed are using the "proportional" strategy that is currently in Mandel's pool and my shared pool.
And the page agrees with me that PPS requires higher fees, so the strategy that I like best is best according to this page.
And none of the mining pools listed are using the "proportional" strategy that is currently in Mandel's pool and my shared pool.
And the page agrees with me that PPS requires higher fees, so the strategy that I like best is best according to this page.
MF
08:27
Mr Flintstone
really seems like we got a decent amount of new hardware adding hash rate. Itβs been too long to be randomness I think
OK
08:28
O K
I noticed the influx too
Z
08:28
Zack
At block 9000 we all switched mining software. For some of us, this gave a faster hashrate.
MF
Z
08:29
Zack
I am not mining.
MF
08:29
Mr Flintstone
I didnβt think it would be like a 2x multiple on hash rate
08:29
kind of an open question as well for people
I
08:29
Iridescence
My 1080 went from about 2.6 to 3 GH/s
08:30
V100 went from about 6.2 to 7 GH/s
MF
08:30
Mr Flintstone
this is on a closed source algo for both before and after?
I
08:31
Iridescence
Yes
Z
08:31
Zack
it is pretty easy by looking at the graph. It shoots up almost vertical at height 9000.
it is growing slowly before and after.
Seems to me that the average miner became about %66 faster.
it is growing slowly before and after.
Seems to me that the average miner became about %66 faster.
08:32
Irid's only became 10% faster.
So that means we closed the gap between the open source code and Irid's code by about 56%.
So that means we closed the gap between the open source code and Irid's code by about 56%.
MF
08:32
Mr Flintstone
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do we have anyone else that can provide some tests using open source we can look at?
Z
08:33
Zack
that is assuming Irid is only a very small portion of the total.
If he is a large portion, then that means we closed the gap even more than 56%.
If he is a large portion, then that means we closed the gap even more than 56%.
MF
08:33
Mr Flintstone
rather than backing into the open source hash rate increase by using post 9k hash rate / the prior rate and iriβs self reported rate
Z
08:35
Zack
I know my C miner became about twice as fast, but I think Mandel's miner included at least some of the partial-hash upgrade. So his shouldn't have become twice as fast.
MF
08:37
Mr Flintstone
interesting. looks like hash rate change was probably higher than I thought
Z
08:39
Zack
It seems like this hard fork was even more important than I had anticipated.
MH
08:54
Mandel Hoff
AmoveoPool.com fee has been increased. Please use the Url argument on the mining tools and set it to http://amoveopool2.com/work
08:55
Deleted Account
Changed default pool URL to amoveopool2.
https://github.com/tumblecatweed/AmoveoMinerGpuCudaLinux
https://github.com/tumblecatweed/AmoveoMinerGpuCudaLinux
OK
08:56
Deleted Account
π
MH
08:57
Mandel Hoff
Thank you catweed.
G
09:12
Gonzalo
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My 2 1080 cards went from 1.4/1.6 ghs to 2.0/2.2 ghs (Mandel miner on windows)
N
09:13
NM$L
hi guys, what's your gtx1080 settings to mine veo.
Z
09:13
Zack
That is a 10-20% improvement. less than 1/2 what we would guess by looking at the increase in hashpower.
N
09:14
NM$L
my 1080 cards hashrate still is 1.6Ghs in linux
G
09:15
Gonzalo
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AmoveoMinerGpuCuda.exe <pubkey> 0 96 192 RANDOM123 8192 <pool>
09:15
8192 is for low OS lag
Z
09:17
Zack
Maybe this means there is a giant CPU botnet mining Amoveo, and the botnet became twice as fast because the CPU miner is twice as fast.
N
G
09:18
Gonzalo
Zack we went from 75 miners to 150 at Mandels in 1-2 days
Z
09:20
Zack
Right, but at height 9000 it seems like the mining power increased by over 50% in like 2 hours.
We were expecting the mining power to go down, because some miners probably didn't update their software.
We were expecting the mining power to go down, because some miners probably didn't update their software.
09:21
The last hour of the graph is also shooting straight up. So this adds support to your theory that the network is just growing fast.
09:23
Well, I think I know which way the oracle will decide.
So I guess I will cancel one of my bets, and make another.
So I guess I will cancel one of my bets, and make another.
09:25
http://159.65.120.84:8080/explorer.html
The graph looks different now.
The graph looks different now.
MF
Z
09:26
Zack
yes
MF
09:28
Mr Flintstone
2.0/1.4 => ~40% hash rate increase
09:29
unless I am missing something
Z
09:29
Zack
ah, yes. I misunderstood.
09:29
that is nearly the expected increase
MF
09:32
Mr Flintstone
variance could make up the gap
09:32
or more hardware idk
Z
09:35
Zack
http://159.89.106.253:8085/main.html
I upgraded this mining pool to use something like PPLNS style payments.
I upgraded this mining pool to use something like PPLNS style payments.
09:36
It prevents a certain attack we recently discussed on this forum.
09:39
I had to make the mining pool software 30 lines longer.
G
09:42
Gonzalo
This upgrade means we have lost our balance?
09:43
09:43
Z
09:44
Zack
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oops. I am sorry, I though only that one person was mining. I can send you the difference
G
09:45
Gonzalo
π
09:45
BIGfckQTD2/8JjEUw9Ovf7tdAZVRLEpO8CXQfHUvJRuEEkuKJw5USeMRaEB1Jwj24OL0YRZdBHkLDZyRopKTAAA=
09:48
lighting fast!
RL
09:52
R L
Hey all what is the total number of VEO out there right now?
Z
09:52
Zack
I wonder if OK/Mandel will upgrade to the open source version now
G
09:53
Gonzalo
really! thanks
Z
09:55
12842 * 60 = $770 000
09:56
Deleted Account
So much money
G
09:56
Gonzalo
wow
09:56
haha
10:04
Deleted Account
π
10:06
Deleted Account
HI. anyone knows how can get unpaid alance from mining pool that less than 1 veo because of using new mining pool
OK
MH
10:08
Mandel Hoff
I will set the minimum payout very low on the old pool, and that will trigger payouts for unpaid balances. I'll wait approximately another 2 days before doing that.
10:08
Thank you for switching to the new pool address.
G
10:09
Gonzalo
Great, thanks Mandel
RL
10:21
Deleted Account
thank you Mandel
RL
10:21
R L
Lots of interest in mining eh? I was priced out day one haha
Z
10:26
Zack
that is an estimate based on different offer prices I have seen in the last couple days
10:27
I was a trusted third party recently to a trade at like $44 per Veo
10:27
Too soon to talk about exchange listings ?
Z
10:27
Zack
so maybe I am estimating too high
10:28
Deleted Account
Price discovery would be nice lol
Z
10:28
Zack
It probably still isn't stable enough to be on an exchange.
10:28
Deleted Account
Fair enough
Z
10:28
Zack
Maybe we should make a decentralized exchange instead. using the state channels.
10:28
Deleted Account
I will continue to mine and accumulate until then!
10:28
Ive been using cryptobridge Dex for other microcap coins
10:29
And I think Blocknet is in alpha soon as well
Z
10:30
Zack
cryptobridge is using multisig.
We can do much better than that using our turing complete state channels.
We can do much better than that using our turing complete state channels.
10:31
blocknet is using atomic swaps. So this is more similar to our goal. Maybe we can be compatible with them.
10:33
Deleted Account
The possibilities r endlessπ
Z
10:33
Zack
How did they turn an atomic swap project into a blockchain?
https://github.com/BlocknetDX/BlockDX
Haha. I heard that everyone wants to launch a blockchain so they can do an ICO, even if it doesn't make sense.
Too bad. If they are building a blockchain instead of making the atomic swap protocol, then they aren't helpful to us.
https://github.com/BlocknetDX/BlockDX
Haha. I heard that everyone wants to launch a blockchain so they can do an ICO, even if it doesn't make sense.
Too bad. If they are building a blockchain instead of making the atomic swap protocol, then they aren't helpful to us.
10:35
I have done a little bitcoin script programming before. I have used pybitcointools. I think I can write an atomic swap to bitcoin.
10:38
the lightning payment on amoveo is like doing 2 atomic swaps at once.
B
10:39
BG5EHI
how to fix it?
B
10:40
BG5EHI
let me try
10:42
Deleted Account
np
B
10:44
BG5EHI
CMD like this,Why the pool not change?
10:44
10:45
10:45
Deleted Account
That's super odd, that's how mine is setup
D
10:47
D
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Have you tested to see if cpprestsdk will follow an HTTP redirect (302 status code)? You could speed along the transition by automatically redirecting work, pay out all unpaid balances once, and set a deadline when the redirect will be shutdown if it works
11:08
Deleted Account
What, if any o/c settings is everyone using?
RL
11:12
Bypass the whole exchange quagmire
Z
11:14
Zack
https://twitter.com/roasbeef/status/975564977640652801
roasbeef is giving me advice on how to do it
roasbeef is giving me advice on how to do it
RL
11:14
R L
I might even pay 60 in btc for VEO If I could do it through a swap function that came from this community
J
11:21
Jim
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Need to add a randomseed (anything) and suffix max (65536 or less) before the url
11:23
Deleted Account
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Turned off MSI as workers kept crashing. I didn't see a significant increase in hashrates with mem clock increases though. Please share though if you find optimal settings
Z
11:34
Zack
The way amoveopool works now, there are about 32 000 shares found per block. Each taking roughly the same amount of effort to produce.
The expected profit from finding the very first share is worth more than the expected profit of finding the last 8000 shares.
The expected profit of finding the first 4 shares is more than the expected profit of finding the last 16000 shares.
There is a reason that no one uses proportionate mining pools.
The expected profit from finding the very first share is worth more than the expected profit of finding the last 8000 shares.
The expected profit of finding the first 4 shares is more than the expected profit of finding the last 16000 shares.
There is a reason that no one uses proportionate mining pools.
G
11:39
@potat_o check amoveopool2, is going 1 block below the others
11:47
Deleted Account
Now you can build original AmoveoMinerGpuCuda on linux.
https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerGpuCuda
So, this fork will no longer be maintained.
https://github.com/tumblecatweed/AmoveoMinerGpuCudaLinux
https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerGpuCuda
So, this fork will no longer be maintained.
https://github.com/tumblecatweed/AmoveoMinerGpuCudaLinux
11:57
Deleted Account
what's the most powerful miner for GPU now?
11:58
Deleted Account
I think it's Iridescence's closed source GPU miner.
12:02
i only got 2.1gh/s with my 1080ti
12:02
with mandels miner
12:03
Deleted Account
My linux fork and Mandel's are almost identical. The performance must be the same.
12:03
Deleted Account
OK thank you
12:05
Deleted Account
Something going on with the pool? Balance has been stuck for quite a while...
12:06
(Amoveo2)
B
12:13
Deleted Account
Seems like others have their balance stuck too... anyone know whatβs going on?
12:25
And just jumped up a bunch... maybe just a more severe lag vs previous pool
N
14:06
NM$L
hi guys.
14:06
how to set RandomSeed?
14:06
pls give me a example
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14:07
Paul N. | BAND (π
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just give it some random number
14:07
the key is to use diferrent seed for every miner you use on the same pubkey
14:08
@windance for example, you can use RandomSeed = 1 for your first miner
14:08
2 for your second miner
14:08
and so on
N
14:09
NM$L
so easy. I thought RandomSeed should be a string.
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14:09
Paul N. | BAND (π
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it's there just to make sure that your miners don't random the same nounce, which will cause invalid share
N
B
15:49
Ben
Zacks node is out of sync again?
T
15:52
TownAlwaysGet
What will happen to the old mandel pool with low veo? Like .07
G
15:59
Greg
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He said he will trigger payout of all unpaid balances at each block or something like that.
T
16:02
TownAlwaysGet
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Well i hope the veo i manage to mine isnt too small for payout.
B
16:10
Ben
the new Mandel Pool wallet does not work fully for me
16:10
cannot send anything there
16:10
the old one works fine
T
16:11
TownAlwaysGet
What are you using gpu or cpu?
Z
16:21
Deleted Account
16:22
ok's pool wallet balance always New
G
17:05
Gonzalo
syncing party today
17:05
G
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18:12
Paul N. | BAND (π
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How do you guys get 2.9 GH/s with Mandel's miner? I got nowhere near that
18:12
on 1080 Ti I mean
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18:28
Deleted Account
@Mandelhoff Since amoveopool is closing. you can pay me the veo that under 1 veo
MH
19:03
Mandel Hoff
Yes. All unpaid will get cleared and paid starting in about 48 hours.
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MH
19:14
Mandel Hoff
Sorry but I don't have a 1080ti. Others can share their config settings.
M
19:19
Minieep21
I've got 1080ti running at 3.15 GH/s
19:19
96 168 settings
19:20
@Mandelhoff Do you know what could be the reason for low difficulty shares? I haven't changed settings for my 1080ti and P100 for new miner. 1080ti runs better than before whilst P100 runs 15% worse with low difficulty shares appearing often.
19:22
Deleted Account
Whatβs the whole net hs ?
Z
19:36
Deleted Account
i got 3.4g on 1080ti
19:42
Deleted Account
Uhhh...so my balance is gone in my wallet...it just says "New" anyone else having this issue?
G
19:43
Greg
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it's a display bug on AmoveoPool, rather check your balance with wallet.html on any of the running nodes https://jimhsu.github.io/amoveo-stats/
19:43
Deleted Account
Must be a glitch with the new pool, cause on the original pool it still shows my balance
19:45
G
19:47
Greg
I switched my 18,6GH/s from AmoveoPool to AmoveoPool2 :)
M
20:23
Minieep21
Zack Are you concerned with the possibility of Aeternity suppressing or trying to destroy Amoveo?
Z
20:27
Zack
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I am concerned for my personal safety. That is why my location is secret.
I am not worried that they will attack the blockchain, I am confident in my skills, and I spent enough time with them to know they aren't capable of an effective attack.
I am not worried that they will attack the blockchain, I am confident in my skills, and I spent enough time with them to know they aren't capable of an effective attack.
20:31
their state channel is still on paper now
N
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20:49
Zack
Aeternity isn't trying to build turing complete state channels. So you will never be able to make programmable smart contracts in their channels.
Based on videos of their programmers talking about the channels on YouTube, their channels will only be used for micro payments.
I don't know why they call them "state channels".
Out of the 5 tx types necessary to implement payment channels, in this link Aeternity has implemented part of 1 tx type.
Based on videos of their programmers talking about the channels on YouTube, their channels will only be used for micro payments.
I don't know why they call them "state channels".
Out of the 5 tx types necessary to implement payment channels, in this link Aeternity has implemented part of 1 tx type.
N
20:51
NM$L
state channel is not easy to complete.
Z
20:51
Zack
Their channel data structure does not have all the info necessary for enforcing channels.
It looks like bo overestimated how much they have done. Aeternity channels are not yet on paper.
It looks like bo overestimated how much they have done. Aeternity channels are not yet on paper.
20:52
I completed turing complete state channels before aeternity was founded.
N
20:53
NM$L
amoveo's state channel is better than ae's
Z
20:54
Zack
Payment channel < state channel < turing complete state channel.
Aeternity has no channrls.
Amoveo has Turing complete channels.
Aeternity has no channrls.
Amoveo has Turing complete channels.
N
20:55
NM$L
They need you, zackπ
20:55
Deleted Account
they have a plenty developers , they can copy it from amoveo
N
20:56
NM$L
they said ae launch mainnet at q2
21:23
Deleted Account
Zack I'm having trouble mining against your new share pool, using both original protocol and amoveopool protocol
21:24
I get "invalid work", wondering if you can help troubleshoot?
21:24
I can mine against amoveopool2.com so not sure what the issue is
Z
21:28
Deleted Account
nope same problem
21:29
I will PM you the JSON it is sending for what it thinks is a valid share
Z
21:29
Zack
which of my mining pools are you trying to connect to?
21:30
is that right?
Z
21:31
Zack
that is the url for checking your balance
21:31
Deleted Account
right, I was using http://159.89.106.253:8085 and http://159.89.106.253:8085/work
Z
21:31
there is no /work extention.
21:31
the miner I wrote in C seems to be mining normally
21:32
maybe it needs a slash at the end
21:32
Deleted Account
nope, still not happy
Z
21:32
Zack
other people are currently using the mining pool
Z
21:33
Zack
one person only has 2 shares. they just started
21:33
3 people are using it right now
21:33
Deleted Account
so the work is not valid, weird
Z
21:34
Zack
Why do you think it isn't working correctly?
21:34
I suspect that you are the person with only 2 shares
21:34
since I know the other 2 people using it to mine are Greg and Gonzalo
21:35
Deleted Account
oh I see, I do have shares
21:35
for some reason I get a JSON resposne that says "invalid work" when I decode the numbers via ASCII
Z
21:35
Zack
oh, it is returning a bad message? ill try and fix that.
21:36
Deleted Account
or probably I am doing something wrong, usually the error π
Z
21:37
Zack
that server died. so you wont be able to mine for the next 5 minutes.
21:37
Deleted Account
ouch
Z
21:40
Zack
Since the mining pool with shares is working, I will update the main node to use it: http://159.65.120.84:8085
21:43
Deleted Account
ok, cool
21:43
what should be considered a "successful" response - the number -6 as the first element of JSON?
Z
21:44
Zack
if it sends you json, that is already a success
21:45
Deleted Account
how do I distinguish the case where I sent invalid work though? it also returns JSON I believe
N
21:45
NM$L
21:45
what's the problem?
21:45
Z
21:45
Zack
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How did you manage to send invalid work? Did you use curl to contact the mining pool?
21:46
Deleted Account
What's the difference between a tesla p100 and v100? as far as hashrate?
Z
21:46
Deleted Account
sometimes optimisations cause more problems than speedups π ...
21:47
@dontshoot619 V100 about 2.5x faster than P100
21:47
Deleted Account
Thanks!
Z
21:48
Zack
http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
I set up the new shares pool on the more stable server
I set up the new shares pool on the more stable server
21:50
Deleted Account
Zack I was using the amoveopool protocol as documented at: http://amoveopool2.com/
21:50
"A successful share submission will receive a response string like this: [-6,102,111,117,110,100,32,119,111,114,107]"
21:50
but it seems that your version behaves slightly differently?
21:53
I get this: [-6,105,110,118,97,108,105,100,32,119,111,114,107]
21:53
seems to be "found work" vs "invalid work"
21:54
but good to know that the work is actually valid, thanks for checking π
Z
21:54
Zack
right now it only says "found work" if you found a block.
21:54
I am doing an update so it will say "found work" when you find a share, and "found block" when you find a block.
21:55
Deleted Account
that makes sense
21:55
great to have such a responsive dev team π
Z
21:56
Zack
ok, I updated this one to have an api more similar to what you are expecting.
http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
http://159.65.120.84:8085/main.html
21:59
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It is great to have a community that reports errors.
It is like Linus says, if you have enough eyes, then all bugs become shallow.
It is like Linus says, if you have enough eyes, then all bugs become shallow.
JM
22:04
J M
Anyone know roughly how much bandwidth is used for mining?
22:07
a suggestion for future revisions of the pool protocol: include the block height and difficulty, since that is not in the digest any more
Z
22:07
Zack
include this information where?
You can already see it on the explorer.html
You can already see it on the explorer.html
22:07
Deleted Account
yes but it is useful for the miner
22:07
who may not be running a node
22:08
although I think there is an endpoint you can request height from... probably difficulty as well?
Z
22:08
Zack
you don't have to run a node to visit http://159.65.120.84:8080/explorer.html
you just need a web browser.
you just need a web browser.
22:08
Deleted Account
I saw something about swagger - is there an API doc page?
Z
22:09
Zack
yes it has an api so you can request height and difficulty. that is how the explorer.html and wallet.html work. they access an api.
22:09
no, there is no swagger.
22:10
Joel from Aeternity made a big mess putting broken swagger stuff all over the code base, then one day he got promoted and left his broken code all over the place to focus on being "CTO".
I have managed to find and delete most of his mess, but there is still some left.
I have managed to find and delete most of his mess, but there is still some left.
22:11
Deleted Account
ah lol, right
22:11
so for the time being, the Erlang source files are the API docs?
22:11
22:12
but maybe I missed something else?
Z
22:12
Zack
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https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/tree/master/tests
Here is a bunch of tests in python that use the api.
Here is a bunch of tests in python that use the api.
22:13
Deleted Account
ah cool, thanks π
22:13
have been reading bits of the Erlang but takes some getting used to π
Z
22:13
Zack
any command that starts with
api: can be called using http on the same node.
22:17
Deleted Account
oh I think maybe the invalid work might be because the miner has not yet adjusted to the new block
G
22:51
Greg
Did anyone experienced 500 errors when trying to send VEOs? I'm unable to delete account (send entire balance) and I can't send VEOs from any node. My VEOs are stucked in the void. π
When trying to query the balance of my address on AmoveoPool1 or AmoveoPool2, it says "New Balance", on wallet.html nothing happens when I click "check balance" and I have errors in Chrome console: "the proof chain has a broken link" and Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property '1' of undefined at keys.js:108
When trying to query the balance of my address on AmoveoPool1 or AmoveoPool2, it says "New Balance", on wallet.html nothing happens when I click "check balance" and I have errors in Chrome console: "the proof chain has a broken link" and Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property '1' of undefined at keys.js:108
OK
22:53
O K
The "new balance" thing has to do with the pool website querying other nodes that are not synced I believe. I plan to add a disclaimer about that. If you want to definitively check your balance, choose your favorite node, explorer.html, and input your public key.
G
22:54
Greg
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part of the problem seems to be that most of the nodes can't keep up with the new blocks
22:54
only 3 nodes with the same height: https://jimhsu.github.io/amoveo-stats/
OK
22:56
O K
Almost 2/3 of those nodes are 0 block height, which is why the balance shows "New" instead of some smaller than accurate number that is not New
MH
22:57
Mandel Hoff
I'm not sure what the "proof chain has a broken link" would be from. That sounds like a light wallet thing since the pool wallet UI doesn't have a delete account option, but the node's light wallet does.
OK
23:04
O K
Also, the statistics don't seem to be exactly real time
MT
23:04
Miles Teg
Just a noob question: why is amoveopool served over http instead of https?
OK
23:05
O K
We should just need to set up a cert, it's on my list for sure
J
23:06
Jim
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Looks like the node that runs my hashrate chart lost sync again. This seems to happen everyday. Yes, I have sync mode normal enabled.
OK
23:06
O K
I sometimes have these problems too Jim
J
23:08
Jim
I canβt restart it from here, will do so later. Found that I have to do make prod-clean to get it to work after, doing sync:start and block_absorber recover full doesnβt seem to totally work
G
23:12
Greg
but did anyone here tried to delete an account? (emptying all the coins of an address). it brokes my address now my VEO are stucked I can't even do a regular spend. I'm not 100% sure, this is why I'm asking here
20 March 2018
MH
00:08
Mandel Hoff
OK's node shows it's behind on the network stats page, but it's at top height from wallet and explorer self reports.
00:25
Deleted Account
@Mandelhoff Thanks for pointing out. OK's node is not in my node lookup list. I will fix it.
00:37
Deleted Account
Hi - sorry if already covered, but what can I do to check my actual veo balance - my wallet currently shows as "new"
00:37
Deleted Account
Fixed now
OK
00:40
O K
@silver815 If you want to definitively check your balance, choose your favorite node, explorer.html, and input your public key.
PS
OK
00:40
O K
If you want to transfer veo, I would suggest using the light wallet on your favorite trusted node
PS
00:42
Patrick Sum
Zackβs light wallet, ok?
OK
00:43
O K
I would trust that wallet
PS
Z
00:45
Zack
That looks like my node
00:53
https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/lnwallet/script_utils.go
Roasbeef suggests we use this document as a reference when making atomic swaps.
Roasbeef suggests we use this document as a reference when making atomic swaps.
MF
00:59
Mr Flintstone
are we still at 9648
MH
01:00
Mandel Hoff
9662
01:00
Deleted Account
185.117
01:01
sorry
01:01
whose node is this?
01:02
Deleted Account
It's mine.
01:02
Deleted Account
safe to use?
01:02
(I assume)
01:02
Deleted Account
I think so. It's up to date.
01:02
Deleted Account
awesome thanks
MF
Z
01:19
Deleted Account
if I am sending veo from lightwallet do you know if i click on spend or raw spend?
Z
01:20
Zack
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you can use either.
spend immediately does these things:
1) create the tx
2) sign it
3) broadcast to the network.
raw spend just creates the unsigned tx.
spend immediately does these things:
1) create the tx
2) sign it
3) broadcast to the network.
raw spend just creates the unsigned tx.
01:20
raw spend is usually only used if you are using a watch-only wallet. like for cold storage.
M
01:34
Minieep21
01:35
P100 struggling now. Not sure what to change as 1080ti is working well
G
01:38
Greg
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this could happen if your GPUs are mining at very different hashrates on the same address
Patrick Sum invited Deleted Account
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01:40
Minieep21
Yea P100 is at 1.45 GH/s
1080ti is at 3.1 GH/s
I'll try with different addresses
1080ti is at 3.1 GH/s
I'll try with different addresses
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01:41
Paul N. | BAND (π
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how do you push the 1080 ti to 3.1 GH/s?
M
01:42
Marc
what is the payout threshold for the new pool2?
M
01:43
Minieep21
Using 192 168 settings
Overclocked with afterburner
Overclocked with afterburner
OK
01:43
O K
1.0
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01:43
Marc
i have 3.18434231 Pending Confirmation Payments
BB
01:43
Brian Brian
Whoβs running pool2?
OK
01:43
O K
I am
M
01:43
Marc
O K
OK
01:43
O K
Mandel still works for the pool
BB
01:44
Brian Brian
Cool
M
01:46
Marc
but 3.18 is more than 1.0. i dont understand.
G
01:47
Ghadras
Waiting here as well. 4.5 pending
Z
01:47
Zack
My open source mining pool software has been consistently paying out anyone with more than 0.5 Veo pending.
OK
01:50
O K
As far as I understand, the pending transactions may have been lost by the network, not a pool failure. The pool resubmits the payments every block until they are accepted. @Mandelhoff can expound on this. If anyone has questions about their personal account, PM me the first few digits of your key and I can provide details for how many times it's been resubmitted
01:51
I believe after each difficulty adjustment when the blocktimes slow down, this problem subsides for awhile
M
01:51
Marc
ok. thanks for the info.
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01:52
Paul N. | BAND (π
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why isn't any body with serious hash power using Zack's pool?
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01:52
Iridescence
Because Mandel's pool software has a nice UI.
Z
01:52
Zack
Maybe amoveopool is generating txs too quickly, so it is using the wrong nonce in all but one of the txs. So it only produces 1 txs every time it tries to make a bunch of txs.
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01:53
Iridescence
Not even joking lol
Z
01:53
Zack
The open source mining pool I wrote waits 0.5 seconds in between every tx spent
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01:53
Iridescence
Also first mover advantage
Z
01:53
Zack
this gives sufficient time for the database to update the nonce.
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01:53
Paul N. | BAND (π
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No, I agree that's definitely the deciding factor
OK
01:54
O K
Thanks Zack
Z
01:54
Zack
so it was probably a pool failure all along, not a network failure.
OK
01:54
O K
Perhaps, I've only had less than 24 hours in my hands
Z
01:55
Zack
Maybe you should just use the good pool software I wrote as open source, instead of using broken closed source code and expecting me to guess at software bugs in code I am not allowed to look at.
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01:55
Iridescence
Just stating as it is
MH
01:55
Mandel Hoff
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The amoveopool2.com uses a 2 second delay between automated payments that is queues.
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01:55
Paul N. | BAND (π
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Maybe you write good UI, then people will go to your pool
Z
OK
01:57
O K
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Zack, I don't recall you talking this way to Mandel before main net launch.
I
01:57
Iridescence
Well in the beginning Kassel was mining through Zack's pool
OK
01:57
O K
I merely thanked you for your input.
01:57
True
I
01:57
Iridescence
Tides turn quickly in crypto π
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01:58
Paul N. | BAND (π
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It's fair for Mandel to only open source the part he's comfortable to. The UI is his IP after all, and that's the fair game. He's trying to capture the value he created.
01:59
He did not get through all the trouble of writing good UI for free.
Z
01:59
Zack
Everything I have written for Amoveo is open source.
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02:00
Paul N. | BAND (π
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He didn't get "developer fee"
02:00
You do
OK
02:00
O K
βοΈ
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02:00
Paul N. | BAND (π
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Isn't it fair?
OK
02:00
O K
20% is quite fair
02:00
well, 16.67
Z
02:01
Zack
in 10 months I might get that money, if Amoveo is still alive.
I
02:01
Iridescence
Doing not bad so far
OK
02:02
π
02:02
Amoveo will survive, and it will because we have a great community here
Z
OK
02:04
O K
Yeah, the tone to these messages is WAY different
02:04
than the way you are talking to me ONE day in
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Paul N. | BAND (π
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That doesn't mean Mandel has the same priviledge of being reward by the success of Amoveo like you do. He needs to maintain his competitive advantage to capture the value of his own work.
Z
OK
02:04
O K
Point remains
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02:06
Yet I thought Zack is good at logical arguments for intellectual discussion
02:06
maybe I'm wrong
I
02:06
Iridescence
Zack is probably just frustrated that hashpower is currently centralized behind closed source code that he can't debug
02:06
I'd be frustrated too
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02:07
Paul N. | BAND (π
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That's why I suggested him to write a good UI
02:07
so that he can have that competitive edge he lacks
02:07
that Mandel has
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02:07
Iridescence
Unfortunately my UI skills are much much worse than my CUDA skills π
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02:07
Paul N. | BAND (π
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whether he's capable or not, that's his problem
02:08
Deleted Account
Besides UI, maybe writing a mining guide on reddit and pinned it would help. It's pretty empty now.
I
02:08
Iridescence
I think a guide to do bets and governance would be more helpful
02:09
Not sure if there is already one
02:09
Deleted Account
Zack - any idea why the check balance button might not work? I can't get it to display a value...
Z
02:09
Zack
I am hoping that some of you will use my open source software to launch more mining pools. Then we can work together to make guides.
There are a lot of things I need to do right now, and I am not interested in running a big mining pool.
There are a lot of things I need to do right now, and I am not interested in running a big mining pool.
02:10
And also the docs
02:11
Deleted Account
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I think they are [["height ",9685],["total work",7200197206]]
02:11
oh wait
02:11
now shows
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02:11
Iridescence
Don't mining pools tend towards centralization though?
02:11
Miners want to be on the pool that finds blocks most frequently
02:12
And one can only lower fees so much
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Paul N. | BAND (π
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Amoveo wants ASIC by design, so it's designed to be centralized isn't it?
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02:12
Iridescence
Depends if we can buy those Asics
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02:13
Paul N. | BAND (π
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false if you assume that the ASIC designer/manufacturer wants to sell the machine and not monopolize the mining power themselves.
Z
02:14
Zack
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why would finding blocks faster make the pool better?
I agree that if it takes more than say 24 hours to get a reward, this is a competitive disadvantage. but as long as you are getting paid regularly, why does it matter?
I agree that if it takes more than say 24 hours to get a reward, this is a competitive disadvantage. but as long as you are getting paid regularly, why does it matter?
02:14
Deleted Account
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Yes, https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerGpuCuda
Just make sure you specify all of the arguments or it will use the default pool
Just make sure you specify all of the arguments or it will use the default pool
OK
02:15
O K
When we talk about "decentralization" it should be noted people are not using the same definiton, and so everyone talks around each other
Z
02:18
Zack
I am thinking of making a miner that spends the first 20 seconds after a block found by amoveopool.com on amoveopool.com and the rest of the time on someone using my open source pool.
I think that a miner like this would earn >10% more than normal, but if too many people do this, then the profitability of mining on amoveopool.com will drop sharply for everyone who isn't using this strategy.
I think that a miner like this would earn >10% more than normal, but if too many people do this, then the profitability of mining on amoveopool.com will drop sharply for everyone who isn't using this strategy.
I
02:18
But you would need similar hardware to test
Z
02:19
Zack
I don't have any mining hardware for testing it is true
G
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02:19
Iridescence
I'm sure if you add it as an option people will help test
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Paul N. | BAND (π
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It's not easy to get your hand on V100. I tried, and I only got 1.
OK
02:20
O K
Wow, nice
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02:20
Iridescence
I have one too, but I only use it for testing
G
02:21
Greg
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no but for example, 1070 are good performance/price and you can play with it :)
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02:21
Iridescence
I have a 1080 on my rig
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OK
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Paul N. | BAND (π
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Ohhh I see I see
02:23
π€£
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02:24
Iridescence
Hahah
02:24
I thought he was referring to AWS
OK
02:26
Deleted Account
Damn they price gouge
OK
02:26
O K
It's just the market price
02:26
Deleted Account
Nah, B&H tries to price gouge 1070Ti's for 800+ I just bought a couple Ti's from NVIDIA directly for $450 each
OK
02:28
O K
Link to in stock Ti @ $450 ?
02:28
(doesn't exist because that's below the market price)
02:28
Deleted Account
They sold out almost instantly
OK
02:28
O K
because
02:28
Deleted Account
I'm just talking about being patient, I mean if you need it RIGHT this second
OK
02:28
O K
fair enough
Z
02:37
Zack
What is the executable called if you make it in Linux? for the miner.
OK
Z
02:37
Zack
I guess I can make some erlang code to just turn 2 miners on and off
OK
02:38
O K
./AmoveoMinerGpuCudaLinux
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02:39
Paul N. | BAND (π
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Do I misunderstand, or you're intentionally releasing an exploit on your own flawed protocol?
02:39
Doesn't sound useful or productive at all.
Z
02:39
Zack
My open source mining pool is immune to this exploit.
02:40
The closed source mining pool is vulnerable.
02:40
Deleted Account
Mandel's miner can be built on linux now.
02:40
I sent him PR and merged.
Z
02:40
Zack
I only have mac osx
AS
02:40
Aizen Sou
@Mandelhoff @potat_o i got alot VEO pending at ur amoveopool2. It worked perfectly with amoveopool before. Any reason? Thanks
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OK
02:41
O K
Mac OSX isn't open source
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Z
02:41
Zack
I prefer ubuntu. this computer was free.
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02:42
Iridescence
Sell some VEO and get a better rig
Z
02:42
Zack
Jae Kwon from Tendermint gave it to me
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02:42
Iridescence
Ubuntu FTW
OK
02:42
O K
I use used computers too π that was nice of him
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Paul N. | BAND (π
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Kinda miss the point, isn't it? We don't care how you got it π
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02:43
Iridescence
Zack if I send you some ETH will you be willing to use it to buy a better rig for yourself?
OK
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02:45
Iridescence
Amoveo will benefit from increased productivity of Zack π
02:45
Deleted Account
Mandels pool became this strong on mostly windows users, just worth noting.
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02:46
O K
Probably true, I had to take a shower after installing Windows
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02:46
Iridescence
I would think most high end GPUs are on non-windows environments
02:47
Just guessing
02:47
Deleted Account
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Fair enough, doesn't mean everyone should ignore them.
G
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02:49
Zack
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I am at a hostel in a third world country. All my stuff fits in in my suitcase for now.
I am not sure if it makes sense for me to build a mining rig now. Maybe I can rent one.
I am not sure if it makes sense for me to build a mining rig now. Maybe I can rent one.
MF
02:51
Mr Flintstone
I think he meant a rig as in a better computer. Could b wrong
Z
OK
02:51
O K
We could get you an upgraded x220 that you could put libreboot on
Z
02:52
Zack
I have been thinking of getting a lower quality laptop actually. I am worried this Mac is making me look like a target.
OK
02:53
O K
Nobody will steal your thinkpad, they look ancient
Z
02:53
Zack
Richard Stallman is a hero. I hope to one day make a fraction of the positive impact he has.
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MF
02:56
Mr Flintstone
we could get you a sleeper I.e a computer that looks like a piece of shit but has great hardware
OK
02:59
mines showing up as new
03:00
Deleted Account
I think everyones is
OK
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03:01
Iridescence
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I see. Then an MacBook pro is probably the best for you right now
03:10
Deleted Account
My node stopped syncing again...
After
Did
After
make prod-restart block height went to 0.block_absorber:recover(full). does not work.Did
make prod-clean and resyncing now.
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03:11
Iridescence
I've has trouble syncing the node on a VPS
03:11
Curiously enough the node on my home computer always syncs well
03:12
Deleted Account
Hmm. What's the difference.
OK
03:12
O K
latency perhaps?
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03:12
Iridescence
No idea
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03:13
Zack
my laptop freezes while syncing occasionally. the vps for me has been faster and more reliable at syncing.
Maybe because my location is more remote.
Maybe because my location is more remote.
03:15
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MH
03:15
Mandel Hoff
The node for amoveopool.com stayed sync'd almost 4 days no crashes. Since amoveopool2.com took over the majority of block creation, it has crashed 4 times.
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03:15
Paul N. | BAND (π
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holy cow. how many gpu are you running on?
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03:17
O K
Hi Pilly, @Mandelhoff can help explain, but the server continues to try sending payments until they are confirmed in a block. Would you like to PM me the first few digits of your address and I can show you what it looks like on our end? When the difficulty re-adjusts on block 10,000, the slowdown should help get this straightened out
03:17
Deleted Account
I also have experienced more crashes this day than before
03:19
this is my address
03:19
OK
03:23
O K
One moment
03:28
Deleted Account
ok
OK
03:31
O K
It should be cleared up after the 10k difficulty adjustment, here's what it looks like in our database
03:33
03:33
The ReprocessAttempts is how many blocks the payment has been retried
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Deleted Account
Hmm I was starting to wonder about mine as well
OK
03:46
O K
At this rate we should hit 10,000 by tomorrow
03:46
Deleted Account
So basically we won't see a payout until tomorrow?
OK
03:46
O K
Some payments are going through, several every hour, but many fewer than are being retried
03:47
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So, the problem should be resolved for everyone at the lastest tomorrow, but very possibly sooner
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Deleted Account
Okay
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05:10
Gonzalo
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Zack I've been mining since this upgrade, this was like 20 hours ago if I'm not wrong, and I got 0 VEO since then.
I guess it's because your pool haven't found any block in all this time?
I guess it's because your pool haven't found any block in all this time?
05:10
I'm with a 1080, about 2,2ghs
05:11
BIGfckQTD2/8JjEUw9Ovf7tdAZVRLEpO8CXQfHUvJRuEEkuKJw5USeMRaEB1Jwj24OL0YRZdBHkLDZyRopKTAAA=
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05:12
Zack
It says you have 575 shares, and 0 veo.
So you are correct, this is because we have not found a block.
So you are correct, this is because we have not found a block.
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05:12
Gonzalo
π
O
05:21
Oliver
Hi. Question on the block time: the explorer at http://159.89.106.253:8080/explorer.html shows 167 sec/bloc. Isn't the target 600 sec/block? How come it is so much offthe target? Is it just taking too much time adapting to the increasing mining power?
Z
05:22
Zack
The mining power increased a lot in the last 2000 blocks.
O
05:23
Oliver
So the target is still 600sec/block? Right? Just trying to make sure I get the inflation correct
Z
05:23
Zack
it is currently targeted to 600 seconds per block, but the community might change the target.
O
05:28
Oliver
And the VEO/block is still 1.5?
Z
05:29
Zack
no. it was only 1.5 for a short period. for most of the history it has been 1.
O
05:30
Oliver
Ok. Where can I see the total supply? The explorer shows the block height only
05:30
the current total supply
MF
05:35
Mr Flintstone
I think ~12.5k is current float
05:36
depends on how long the 1.5 reward period was
Z
05:39
Zack
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13295 veo.
We are doing a hard fork in about 100 blocks, and then it will be written on each block how many veo there are.
We are doing a hard fork in about 100 blocks, and then it will be written on each block how many veo there are.
MF
05:40
Mr Flintstone
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isnβt the math 1.2*(current block height) +0.5*(number of blocks for which the reward was 1.7 per block)?
O
05:40
Oliver
Zack, awesome. I am looking to buy some VEO and I know about the thread on reddit, but is there an escrow service that you know of?
05:41
Will ask there
Z
05:42
Zack
In reply to this message
I just look at the market cap as written on the block, and multiple by 1.2
05:42
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I can hold your veo. I have done this for a couple different people now.
O
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05:46
Zack
I charge 0.4 veo for the service.
05:47
flat rate, no matter how much you are trading.
MF
05:56
Mr Flintstone
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this is overestimating the blocks where the rewArd was 1.5 not including dev reward? i.e 1.2*1.5 > 1.7
05:56
probably doesnβt make a huge difference
Z
06:03
Zack
In reply to this message
false. the dev reward is a percentage of the block reward.
So if we increased the block reward to 2, the dev reward would be 0.4
So if we increased the block reward to 2, the dev reward would be 0.4
MF
06:08
Mr Flintstone
ahh, I thought it was flat 0.2
06:08
thanks
Z
06:10
Zack
They are 2 different governance variables. You can fire me without having to reduce the block reward.
OK
06:16
O K
This is strange, have you seen this before? 9800 api:height, 9800 block height but NaN balance on this node BGGxh33tdcj72pX2A/e6bVmW2keCdhnS4fCcmm6AfO2ZRq/JazHRkc4NrVsc1Cia7TIQRyyJlSx1o+l+JHdfj1I= http://159.65.173.9:8080/explorer.html
06:17
But on gonzalo's http://51.15.75.100:8080/explorer.html the balance is 2
O
06:17
Oliver
Zack 0.4 is fine, should I contact you here when I have a buyer? You take his VEO and my BTC and you give them back to one another? Never used an escrow service, always been buying on exchanges
Z
06:19
Zack
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If you resync the blocks this will get fixed.
It is the same problem as has been causing it to crash.
The database is complicated, because we needed all these different properties. Like making merkle proofs of any data, and being able to prune old blocks to recover space.
It is the same problem as has been causing it to crash.
The database is complicated, because we needed all these different properties. Like making merkle proofs of any data, and being able to prune old blocks to recover space.
06:25
There is a race condition that occasionally makes the database prune data that you had wanted to keep.
06:25
It is as if you are on a different shard from them.
OK
06:28
O K
Relative to other blockchains, how space efficient is Amoveo? I've heard with ethereum it can be difficult to even run a full node because it's so difficult to catch up on non-commercial internet connections. I don't know if that's true or not
Z
06:29
Zack
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I'll make a doc about this now, and come back with a link for you.
B
06:32
what is the Problem?
06:32
now is the pool do btw for me
06:32
down
OK
06:33
O K
Hi Ben, I just resynced the node due to some corruption
06:33
It's coming back up now
06:33
Let's see if that helps with the issue
06:33
Your balance will be paid out
EP
OK
06:34
O K
Hi Evans, I just had to resync the node. It's back online now. The last 20 messages or so detail this above
B
06:35
Ben
thanks ok
06:37
lets see if it is mow confirming
06:37
now
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06:45
Zack
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this is why we can be so small: https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/design/sharding.md
this is how small we can be: https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/design/hard_drive_consumption.md
this is how small we can be: https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/design/hard_drive_consumption.md
06:46
TL;DR 2860 bytes.
06:47
the size of the software far exceeds the amount of memory you need to dedicate to maintaining consensus.
OK
06:50
O K
That's rad
06:55
Deleted Account
Well that's a plus I can see my wallet balance, now once that pending payment goes through everything will be jelly again
OK
06:55
O K
Yeah, I'll feel a lot better when that happens too
Z
06:56
Zack
If the txs are in your mempool, I don't understand how you can mine a block that doesn't include them.
06:57
do they disappear from the mempool while mining?
06:58
or do they never enter it?
OK
06:58
O K
I would like to understand this as well, I've barely gotten a chance to touch anything in the background
Z
06:58
Zack
tx_pool:get().
OK
06:59
One moment
Z
07:02
Zack
Since I am teaching the miner to switch between mining pools, I figure I should also teach it to avoid mining on any pool that isn't synced.
OK
Z
07:07
Zack
that is a lot of txs, but I think it is not all of them.
07:08
so maybe they are slowly disappearing while you are mining.
07:14
Maybe the problem is when you try to republish txs.
If you republish a tx at the right moment, then it can delete all the other txs from your mempool.
This is because your nonce needs to increase with every tx you make.
So if the mempool has txs 1,2,3,4,5,6,
And then a block gets added containing tx 1 and 2,
Your mempool will be temporarily empty, and then it reloads txs 3,4,5 and 6.
So if you publish 7 at the right moment, then 3,4,5,and 6 will all look invalid and get dropped.
If you republish a tx at the right moment, then it can delete all the other txs from your mempool.
This is because your nonce needs to increase with every tx you make.
So if the mempool has txs 1,2,3,4,5,6,
And then a block gets added containing tx 1 and 2,
Your mempool will be temporarily empty, and then it reloads txs 3,4,5 and 6.
So if you publish 7 at the right moment, then 3,4,5,and 6 will all look invalid and get dropped.
07:15
Do you republish txs immediately after a block is found? that is the worst moment to do this.
MH
07:17
Mandel Hoff
The payment manager is on a 4 minute timer to look for payments to make or repay.
Z
07:24
Zack
oh, I see.
I was able to reduce how often potential_block dies by dumping all the txs from the mempool every time this happens.
I should try to re-add the txs to the mempool after a successful recovery.
I was able to reduce how often potential_block dies by dumping all the txs from the mempool every time this happens.
I should try to re-add the txs to the mempool after a successful recovery.
07:26
I pushed a fix.
07:28
@potat_o if you update, it might stop dropping your txs.
OK
07:28
O K
Thank you
OK
07:35
Deleted Account
sure
MH
07:37
Mandel Hoff
Yes node keeps crashing. I'll bring it up tomorrow for final payouts for all unpaid balance veo.
07:39
Deleted Account
thank you
09:26
Deleted Account
how do i mine with 2 separate cards with different optimizing parameters?
09:29
also on amoveopool2 the url containing mining address to see miner details doesnt work
09:47
Deleted Account
sell 100veo for 0.85btc
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10:14
Marc
pool2 paid out. thanks. O K. keep up the good work.
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11:09
Deleted Account
What driver versions are people using for 1070Ti?
11:09
My 6 GPU rigs keep crashing
11:09
On windows
11:09
Any help/suggestions would be appreciated
11:11
Deleted Account
What suffixmax are you using?
J
11:19
Jim
I also seem to be crashing due to the heap out of memory error. This system has 5GB of memory free (10.6/15.6GB).
Z
11:20
Zack
What is amoveopool2's ip address?
11:20
Deleted Account
I'll crash randomly, but I never end up looking at the report, only way I can get it to not crash is if I turn the suffixmax down to almost nothing
J
11:20
Jim
I meant full node crashing, not mining, oops
Z
11:21
Zack
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I tried, but that node doesn't respond to normal api stuff.
I think that url is forwarding it to their node.
I think that url is forwarding it to their node.
11:21
Deleted Account
Ah gotcha
Z
JS
11:34
Jon Snow
each time when my node tries to sync automatically, it shows peer's server crashed and peers get removed from the peer list one by one. any idea what might be causing this?
Z
11:35
Zack
In reply to this message
I think you need to turn the node off, and do
make prod-clean this will have you start over from block 0. once you re-sync it should be fine for a few more hours.
11:37
your node is saying that no one will share their mempool, and everyone is acting broken.
This isn't possible. I am not sure how your node got confused this way.
This isn't possible. I am not sure how your node got confused this way.
11:37
Deleted Account
Hard fork in ~11 blocks?
JS
11:37
Jon Snow
got it. I will try it. Thanks Zack
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11:50
Deleted Account
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thats a setting in the miner im assuming? ive been using all default settings
Z
11:52
Zack
The profitability of mining any share in a proportional pool like AmoveoPool decreases by 1/x
So the profitability of sustaining mining in a pool like this is integral of 1/x
The indefinite integral of 1/x is ln(X).
therefore: mining for the first half of the 30,000 shares is ln(15000) - ln(1) = 9.61
mining for the second half of the 30,000 shares is ln(30000) - ln(15000) = 0.69
So the first half of the period is about 14x more profitable to mine than the second half.
The profitability of a PPLNS mining pool, like the open source one I wrote, stays near a constant 5.15 the whole time.
So if you mine on AmoveoPool for the first 1/2 of the period, and switch to my pool the rest of the time, I think it will be about 40% more profitable.
I wrote a lot of the software for this type of miner today, but it is not ready yet.
So the profitability of sustaining mining in a pool like this is integral of 1/x
The indefinite integral of 1/x is ln(X).
therefore: mining for the first half of the 30,000 shares is ln(15000) - ln(1) = 9.61
mining for the second half of the 30,000 shares is ln(30000) - ln(15000) = 0.69
So the first half of the period is about 14x more profitable to mine than the second half.
The profitability of a PPLNS mining pool, like the open source one I wrote, stays near a constant 5.15 the whole time.
So if you mine on AmoveoPool for the first 1/2 of the period, and switch to my pool the rest of the time, I think it will be about 40% more profitable.
I wrote a lot of the software for this type of miner today, but it is not ready yet.
Z
11:54
Zack
In reply to this message
at height 9900 we change the market cap number written on the block. it was calculated incorrectly before. now it will be correct.
11:55
oh, looks like it already happened successfully
11:56
Deleted Account
the total block mined number?
Z
11:56
Zack
no. the total number of veo.
11:57
Deleted Account
what's the total number of VEO
11:57
u mean the total number of veo mined?
Z
11:57
Zack
1333482043587
it says this on the top block.
13 334.8 Veo
it says this on the top block.
13 334.8 Veo
12:00
$65 * 13335 = $866 700
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Deleted Account
i sell around $70
12:07
sold
12:09
Deleted Account
yes
12:09
Deleted Account
how many
12:09
Deleted Account
all my mined
12:10
135left but others just buy now
12:11
i think about 100 veo can be sell
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Deleted Account
mined with p100-
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οΌ
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Deleted Account
1070 1080 1080ti p104
12:18
Deleted Account
i should buy one more 1070
12:18
only have 1050ti 1080ti
12:19
Deleted Account
1080ti twice with 1070
12:20
Deleted Account
i only got 2.3gh/s for my 1080ti
12:21
Deleted Account
my 1080ti is giving me between 3.09 and 3.15
12:21
cpu/ ram might be the bottleneck
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Deleted Account
gigabyte
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Deleted Account
my cpu is ryzen 1700x
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Deleted Account
ram ?
12:22
how many channel ram ?
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Deleted Account
aours 1080ti 11g
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Deleted Account
i have oc
12:23
but i am not actively overclocking it
12:23
Deleted Account
ok
12:24
Deleted Account
make sure temp is not too high
12:24
Deleted Account
72 degree Celsius
N
12:25
NM$L
I use 1 card to mine, get 3G+. but with 6card to mine. only get 2G avg
12:25
Deleted Account
thats not bad, but see if you turn up the fan and temp drops then what happens?
N
12:25
NM$L
That's why?
12:25
Deleted Account
Zack what is your pool IP? And can i just modify the cuda gpu miner config or do I need a new miner?
12:25
Deleted Account
use a threadripper :D
12:27
Deleted Account
Sorry, not config but my batch file
12:27
Deleted Account
threadripper is more expensive than 1080ti
12:29
but yeah you need an expensive mb
12:29
Deleted Account
anyone developing AMD gpu miner?
Z
12:30
Zack
In reply to this message
http://159.65.120.84:8085
You can use the same miner. It is part of the command line argument I believe.
You can use the same miner. It is part of the command line argument I believe.
12:30
Deleted Account
Ty!!
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N
12:32
NM$L
i5 or i7
12:32
Deleted Account
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anything powerful enough, like latest or latest-1 gen with 6 to 8 cores
12:32
if you are running a rig like that
12:33
there are very big rig runners here
12:33
ask them maybe
12:33
@Simon3456 - might know better
N
12:35
NM$L
thanks
J
12:36
Jim
Getting close to 10k ... over 800 predicted difficulty.
Estimated difficulty: 801.63 THash/block
Estimated difficulty: 801.63 THash/block
12:59
Deleted Account
gpus are excellent room heaters
13:06
Zack - does your pool have an interface like amoveopool?
13:06
to see accumulated shares/ pending payout?
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13:52
Iridescence
I think there is a basic UI to see shares
S
13:59
Sy
I mostly ignore the you and get cheap Pentiums although it doesn't matter that much price wise in my latest rigs, I tried the new i3 as well but gpu mining is usually no stress on the cpu
13:59
The cpu*
14:01
And about Zacks ASICS, no matter how you plan them if this coin works out economy will bend you over.
On of the established ASIC manufacturers will make their own chip, it will blast yours out of the water and ppl will again do what brings them the most money, it will just stall for 6-24 month if you waste your money on your own ASIC
On of the established ASIC manufacturers will make their own chip, it will blast yours out of the water and ppl will again do what brings them the most money, it will just stall for 6-24 month if you waste your money on your own ASIC
14:02
6-24 month they will take no matter if there is an ASIC or not...just stick with gpus
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14:07
NM$L
why can't put all adviceid a time?
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14:09
Paul N. | BAND (π
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you can write a simple program to do that yourself
N
14:09
NM$L
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I think i will get same results. open one,I get 3.2GοΌopen six, I get 1.7G avg..
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14:11
Paul N. | BAND (π
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It might be the bandwidth issue. You can probably try to optimiza the code so that it uses less bandwidth? This is my random guest. What do you thuink @Mandelhoff
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14:12
NM$L
I don't think it cause by low cpu.
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14:13
Paul N. | BAND (π
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I don' tthink so as well, but what's your CPU utilization looks like?
N
14:13
NM$L
It's too wasteful.
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14:13
Paul N. | BAND (π
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Then most likely your CPU is bottleneck it
14:14
You need at least 3 core, 6 threads to run your 6 cards
N
14:14
NM$L
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14:14
Paul N. | BAND (π
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cheap pentium with 2 threads won't be sufficient
N
14:15
NM$L
1 exe use 1 thread?
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14:15
Paul N. | BAND (π
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yes
14:15
roughly
N
14:15
NM$L
why not same as mining ZEC
14:16
all cards minging put into one thread.
14:16
or two
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14:16
Paul N. | BAND (π
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because it's not ZEC
14:17
and it's not just some cheap fork like all the shitcoins
N
14:18
NM$L
There are many things could be optimized. right?
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14:18
Paul N. | BAND (π
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yes β many many things
14:19
it's far from perfect, but things like this take time and man-powers
N
14:19
NM$L
ok. let my card waste.
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14:20
Paul N. | BAND (π
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or mine other coins π
14:20
just kidding
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14:21
NM$L
no, I love veo.
14:21
π
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14:21
Paul N. | BAND (π
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but i'm mining too π€£
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N
15:11
NM$L
just so so
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15:13
Paul N. | BAND (π
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My hunch is that your CPU is bottlenecking very hard, resulting in the low hashrate. I think @Mandelhoff or someone else could optimize the miner further to reduce CPU usage.
N
15:15
NM$L
I won't ask them optimize for me.
G
15:52
Gonzalo
@potat_o FYI this happens very often: I leave a browsers tab with my address and after a while it will "randomly" change the shown address. I've got other tabs with other pubkeys as well
15:52
15:53
I just refresh and its ok, but quite weird isnt it?
15:58
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I also happens to me even after changing my cheap 2 cores/2gb VPS node for a 4 cores/4gb VPS node, although not so frequently.
It never happens to my dedicated server (not VPS).
It never happens to my dedicated server (not VPS).
16:01
Zack Im still testing your pool, working ok so far π
17:26
Deleted Account
Zack I am also testing the pool and it is working however the node refuses to stay in sync... I have the firewall open for port 8080 but have to ask it to fetch headers. Any suggestions?
17:26
or Gonzalo?
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Paul N. | BAND (π
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Do you have a public IP for the machine? Can you access the explorer page of the node via public internet?
17:28
Deleted Account
yes, good suggestion... that is how I tested it was open π
Z
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Paul N. | BAND (π
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π
17:31
Deleted Account
17:31
yes, so sync_mode:check(). says it is "normal"
17:31
but I'm still on 10028
17:31
if I say
sync:get_headers({{70,133,222,59},8080}).
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then I catch up
17:32
both headers and blocks up to date
Z
17:32
Zack
Maybe your IP isn't getting added to the list of peers
17:33
Deleted Account
it's only a new node, does that take some time perhaps? (a few hours old)
17:33
previously I was running it on my laptop, behind a firewall, this one is out in the open
17:33
I'm not listed in
peers:all().but perhaps that is to be expected, I should not see myself?
Z
17:34
Zack
You should see yourself in that list.
17:34
Deleted Account
ah hah! so that must be the problem
17:34
what is the best course of action, restart the node?
17:34
I wonder if this is me
17:34
{{0,0,0,0},8080},
Z
17:35
Deleted Account
the only thing I haven't done on that page is trade_peers and sync transactions with a peer
17:35
are you referring to something specific on that page?
Z
17:35
Zack
What is the url for your Explorer page?
17:37
ah, sorry, I have to go. but I will try some of those sync commands again
G
N
18:49
NM$L
18:49
How many G hashrate can get per veo per day?
18:50
Who could teach me the formulaοΌ
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19:12
Paul N. | BAND (π
) - I'll never DM you
GigaHash needed per block = GH/s * s/block = 1122 * 496= 556,512 GigahHashes <= 556 TeraHashto get 1 veo per day, you needs
556,512 GigaHashes / (24 * 60 * 60 sec)= 6.44 GH/s
N
MF
19:44
per light node explorer
N
MF
19:56
Mr Flintstone
veo price shouldnβt go up a full 6.4/3.5 - 1 percent cuz some of the diff increase came from pow change making hashing faster among other reasons
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G
19:59
Gonzalo
π
P|
20:00
Paul N. | BAND (π
) - I'll never DM you
totally love it man π
MF
20:01
Mr Flintstone
lol
20:49
Deleted Account
I think my cpu is bottle necking also, 100 percent usage
20:49
Am i able to do anything to optimize? Maybe run all 6 devices off 1 cmd session?
20:53
Deleted Account
I'm in the same boat Shan
Z
20:55
Deleted Account
many thanks
21:24
Deleted Account
BTW what's the reason for writing the code in Erlang?
21:25
It's yielding some performance benefits over for example Rust or Go?
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21:25
Paul N. | BAND (π
) - I'll never DM you
it's never about performance
21:26
it's about shipping bug-free software faster
Z
21:26
Zack
Paul is right. a big part of the reason is to ship bug free software fast, but I can give more specific details
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21:27
Paul N. | BAND (π
) - I'll never DM you
erlang roots from telecom world, and is very suitable for fault-tolerant and distributed system
21:27
Zack's here, so he shoot him questions man :)
G
Z
21:28
Zack
With erlang it is easier to quickly write fault tolerant concurrent software, and it is easier to make adjustments to the software without breaking it.
Erlang is slower than Rust or Go or C, so maybe in a couple years once the code base is more settled we will rewrite it to a different language.
Erlang is slower than Rust or Go or C, so maybe in a couple years once the code base is more settled we will rewrite it to a different language.
21:29
Erlang allows us to adapt quickly.
21:29
it is like how an artist might make a sketch with pencil before they start painting.
21:29
pencil is easier to change
Z
21:52
Zack
I found a bug in my share pool were it was paying 10x to some people, and then ran out of money so it couldn't pay other people.
It should be working correctly now.
It should be working correctly now.
22:00
Deleted Account
is that soon we cannot mine veo from our GPU at home
22:00
do you guys all own a GPU rigs
22:01
Deleted Account
I do
22:01
5 1070Ti rig
22:01
Deleted Account
how much in total did it cost
22:02
Deleted Account
I have about...a little over $3,000 into my rig
22:02
Deleted Account
how much hashrate in total
22:03
Deleted Account
for VEO?
22:03
Deleted Account
yes
G
22:03
Gonzalo
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ops! please let me know if I was overpayed and if I owe you anything
BIGfckQTD2/8JjEUw9Ovf7tdAZVRLEpO8CXQfHUvJRuEEkuKJw5USeMRaEB1Jwj24OL0YRZdBHkLDZyRopKTAAA=
*overpaid
BIGfckQTD2/8JjEUw9Ovf7tdAZVRLEpO8CXQfHUvJRuEEkuKJw5USeMRaEB1Jwj24OL0YRZdBHkLDZyRopKTAAA=
*overpaid
22:03
Deleted Account
It fluctuates...a lot, but anywhere from 10-40Gh/s
22:03
22:04
Deleted Account
fluctuate so much
22:04
thatmuchthat hashrate isnot correct
22:04
Deleted Account
Let me pull the exact hash rate from the miner itself
G
22:04
Gonzalo
Anyway I've seen I had like 0,4 pending and now I have 0, I guess you restarted the pool
veo: 0 shares: 1415
22:08
Deleted Account
7,500.000.000 h/s total
Z
22:08
Zack
In reply to this message
I suspect you were underpaid. I will do some analysis later to find out.
22:09
In reply to this message
I didn't restart it. if you saw 0.4 and it disappeared, then that means it tried to pay you.
G
22:10
Gonzalo
π
22:16
Is it safe to mine there now?
Z
22:20
Zack
yes, it should be working fine now.
G
22:36
Gonzalo
ok thx
22:46
Deleted Account
Spam?
Z
22:48
Deleted Account
Np π
23:02
Deleted Account
Any issues with pool2 right now? Doesn't seem like I've been getting any new unpaid balance
OK
23:07
O K
Not to my knowledge, but I'll check
23:11
What time did we hit block 10,000?
23:11
Deleted Account
Not sure
OK
23:12
O K
460 seconds per block now
23:15
Deleted Account
What was it
23:15
prior
MF
23:17
Mr Flintstone
Half ish
23:17
Deleted Account
Gotcha
23:17
So basically I'll go from getting 1 coin to .5 per dya
23:17
day*
OK
23:17
O K
161 seconds at one point
23:17
Deleted Account
or less lol
MF
23:18
Mr Flintstone
In reply to this message
a little more than 0.5 because hash rate went up for same electricity cuz pow change
23:19
Deleted Account
Just going off the pool, mine has tanked
23:19
OK
23:28
O K
Go by the hashrate reported in the console, not the pool
23:44
Deleted Account
To anyone mining NViDIA GPU's a new driver was released today
23:44
Deleted Account
can two GPU cards mining with the same address?
OK
23:45
O K
Depending on what miner you use, yes bo
23:45
Miner.exe <address> 0
23:45
In one console
23:45
Miner.exe <address> 1
23:46
In another console
23:46
Deleted Account
ok
OK
23:47
Deleted Account
Don't know, will update when it finishes installing.
P|
23:50
Deleted Account
Yeah I'm not getting any work
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OK
23:50
O K
Sec
B
23:50
Ben
down for me too
23:51
Deleted Account
dowb for me too
OK
23:51
O K
Better?
23:51
I'm getting work
23:52
Deleted Account
better now
OK
23:52
O K
π
23:52
Deleted Account
Yup good now
23:54
I'm seeing about a 5% increase in hashrate, but it's a little up and down so it might be the same lol
23:56
Appears my temps are running hotter as well
21 March 2018
BB
00:37
Brian Brian
whats the address of amoveopool2?
00:38
BKdkHXUeB...?
OK
00:40
O K
Correct
00:44
Pool going briefly offline in a moment, just a heads up folks
JT
00:44
Jehan Tremback
Is Ka$$el still haunting Amoveo?
00:48
Deleted Account
There will be a new browser mining option on pool2 ?
Z
OK
00:51
Deleted Account
okay
BB
01:00
Brian Brian
In reply to this message
Do I have a stuck payment or does my hashrate really suck? Canβt access my public key right now but I know it starts with BOTs. Probably not enough to go off.. Iβll have to find it when I get home
OK
01:02
O K
The difficulty adjustment is probably the problem, payments have been going through. If you had a stuck payment you would see it in 'pending'
01:05
I'm not seeing any stuck / pending payments
01:05
For bots
OK
MF
OK
01:10
O K
Just addresses and amounts, I wouldn't list people's names or anything
01:10
It can be easily discussed here
J
Z
02:16
Zack
There is a command for it. I can add it to the Api, sure.
02:16
But right now it returns a list of accounts sorted by balance.
02:17
So there is a lot of extra information
G
02:33
Gonzalo
amoveopool 1 found a block π³
I
02:33
Iridescence
Wut
G
02:34
Gonzalo
I seems that Mandel started his node again and there are a few miners still mining there
02:34
poor people, many hours lost...
MH
02:34
Mandel Hoff
Wow, I just turned it on to let the payment manager settle and then run final payouts. There are 5 addresses still mining there. Crazy.
G
02:34
Gonzalo
yeah
MH
02:34
Mandel Hoff
Final payouts should be happening in the next hour or two.
G
02:35
Gonzalo
great Mandel!
S
MH
02:38
Mandel Hoff
The old pool has 137.X in unpaid balances and wallet says it has enough to cover that, so it should be fine to payout. All other payments have confirmed block numbers, so there aren't any missing payments that haven't already been sent.
G
03:19
Gonzalo
π
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03:32
Deleted Account
Damn this fork is making mining slow to a crawl almost
03:32
or at least it feels like it
Z
03:33
Zack
We are doing 400 seconds per block now.
It is targeted to 600 seconds.
So we are still going fast.
It is targeted to 600 seconds.
So we are still going fast.
MH
03:51
Mandel Hoff
Looks like 10107 has 293 payments from the old pool payouts. That appears to have went well. It doesn't look like all of them though. Lots in my node's mempool still, so I'll keep watching.
Z
03:52
Zack
Then that block is almost 1/2 way to the size limit.
MH
03:56
Mandel Hoff
Block 10109 had another 47 old pool payouts.
CB
03:58
CeloStarter Bandits
nice
Z
04:17
and 10109 had 47 like you say.
MH
04:18
Mandel Hoff
Block 10110, 10111, and 10112 looks like roughly a combined 407 txs on the pool's tx explorer
04:18
My node's mempool is empty now.
Z
04:20
Zack
10110 had 109 txs
10111 had 206 txs
10112 had 97 txs
10111 had 206 txs
10112 had 97 txs
04:21
650 tx fees makes 1 veo.
So about 0.6 veo were spent to publish these 400 txs.
So about 0.6 veo were spent to publish these 400 txs.
MH
04:24
Mandel Hoff
Yes, you're right - I see many of the 10107 txs that I observed on the tx explorer are not there now. I do see the ~20 txs in 10107 now, but the rest appear to have found a home in later blocks. I did a copy/paste of the big 10107 that I observed, and those same txs are found in 10109+.
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08:01
Deleted Account
Anyone got any recommendations as to what cpu i need to run 6 1070s?
08:01
I am saturating with my current one
08:03
Deleted Account
i7 7700
08:07
Deleted Account
Ty
08:29
Deleted Account
ryzen threadripper all the way, that monster can handle anything!!
09:30
Deleted Account
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I havn't received my payment yet. I checked it hours ago.
09:30
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