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5 March 2018
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23:17
Belmont
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23:17
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
a low volume market within the context of the US economy, makes the game unsolvable from the perspective of any participant
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23:17
Zack
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I feel like you are pushing words together without knowing their meanings.
s
23:18
im trying to explain best i can
23:19
you know how you can solve a simple game by playing backwards from the last move, like NIM?
23:20
you cant do that in markets as described in hanson's paper, because the broader economy is too big.. the "final move" can never be know because the set of participants has not functional bounds
O
23:20
Oliver
It is not good for the project that only a few enteties mine all the coins. Is the plan to keep this going as it is?
s
23:20
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
but in this game, it is bounded. does that make sense?
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23:20
Gonzalo
Mandel btw, is there a way to reduce the depencencies of your miner or at least install only the minimum parts. I rented a GPU server and installing CUDA 9.1 + Visual studio takes more than 1 hour. And everytime the server crashes I'll have to reinstall
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23:20
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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@Mandelhoff I'm seeing my Pubkey pumping out hashes on your pool, but why is the Unpaid Balance = 0.00000000 even after several block found by the pool?
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D
23:21
D
Zack there is a logical flaw in your mining code. Because such little information is included in the hash, (bhash, diff, nonce) a miner can submit block solves for themselves and never have to submit them to a pool
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23:22
Gonzalo
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Probably the unpaid balance will not go up until the pool finds a block
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23:22
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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And i'm pretty sure I'm doing significant work comparing to the rest of the pool.
MF
23:22
Mr Flintstone
pool needs to find a block Paul
23:23
How long do transactions normally take on this network?
23:23
I would think first block
23:23
but apparently not lol
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23:23
Gonzalo
after the pool finds a block can make an estimation of what part of the reward is yours
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23:23
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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but it found several already since I started mining
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23:24
Gonzalo
you found shares, not blocks
D
23:24
D
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Look on http://amoveopool.com/pool if the block finder starts with BKyLqCvF5vt7KB then the pool found a block. Otherwise, someone else found it
23:25
idk the exact numbers but it seems like 1 out of every 30 blocks the pool finds
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23:25
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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that's 15 minutes ago
23:25
O
23:25
Oliver
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Oliver 05.03.2018 23:23:31
How much Hashrate do you currently have with an up-to-date Nvedia card?
G
23:26
1080ti = 480-580 H/S
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23:26
Oliver
Thanks!
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23:26
Gonzalo
๐
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23:27
Iridescence
With my upgraded CUDA miner 1080 and 1080 ti gets about 1000 MH/s
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MF
Z
23:28
Zack
ent_work","tDAXgnmI+gsjCF0reSm2PExTiq7zQ5ZbHGgpEgDo4j4=",11320,0]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","tDAXgnmI+gsjCF0reSm2PExTiq7zQ5ZbHGgpEgDo4j4=",11320,0]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","tDAXgnmI+gsjCF0reSm2PExTiq7zQ5ZbHGgpEgDo4j4=",11320,0]
from IP [-7,130,61,86,184]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
from IP [-7,178,83,111,154]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
from IP [-7,89,11,185,36]
from IP from IP [-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109]
from IP from IP from IP [-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109]from IP from IP from IP from IP from IP
[-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109]
from IP [-7,77,16,73,109]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","s2xJe/LL2BQB6emAGV9GrUP2Dc30oY5r0EnMhWqhQOM=",11320,0]
from IP [-7,89,11,185,36]
from IP [-7,84,213,154,14]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
from IP [-7,89,11,185,36]
from IP [-7,35,229,73,7]
from IP [-7,46,228,193,168]
from IP [-7,13,58,156,253]
from IP [-7,18,219,143,230]
from IP [-7,18,219,142,89]
from IP [-7,18,217,25,21]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","tDAXgnmI+gsjCF0reSm2PExTiq7zQ5ZbHGgpEgDo4j4=",11320,0]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","tDAXgnmI+gsjCF0reSm2PExTiq7zQ5ZbHGgpEgDo4j4=",11320,0]
from IP [-7,130,61,86,184]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
from IP [-7,178,83,111,154]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
from IP [-7,89,11,185,36]
from IP from IP [-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109]
from IP from IP from IP [-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109]from IP from IP from IP from IP from IP
[-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109][-7,77,16,73,109]
from IP [-7,77,16,73,109]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","s2xJe/LL2BQB6emAGV9GrUP2Dc30oY5r0EnMhWqhQOM=",11320,0]
from IP [-7,89,11,185,36]
from IP [-7,84,213,154,14]
from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
from IP [-7,89,11,185,36]
from IP [-7,35,229,73,7]
from IP [-7,46,228,193,168]
from IP [-7,13,58,156,253]
from IP [-7,18,219,143,230]
from IP [-7,18,219,142,89]
from IP [-7,18,217,25,21]
23:29
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https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/getting-started/sync.md
tx_pool:get(). shows your mempool.
23:29
im printing out too many addresses. ill try to narrow it down to the one that is giving me work.
23:29
or ones
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23:30
Oliver
Which graphic card is the best one to invest in regards h/s and price?
MH
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23:33
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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BHwlknnX0NPqFCkWRLYxKe0azX9R6LuFY8qezVJLtAUuAVyElz1Q942a2mKGvqFtMZOMCNbYfgECDInvDT5i7nA=
MH
23:33
Mandel Hoff
Block confirmation is currently 15 blocks on my pool, because were are still running fast block times. The confirmation agent runs every 4 minutes. Yes, unpaid balance goes up after a confirmed block is found by the pool.
23:33
Deleted Account
What is the network hash right now ?
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23:34
Zack
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,37,201,193,37]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
One guy is spamming the mining pool, so it is hard to see who is making valid work.
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,37,201,193,37]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
["recent_work","PfxSCCLYupfl63Zmhg1EZvF8evIaCprzhNWFa8zCcZQ=",11320,0]
One guy is spamming the mining pool, so it is hard to see who is making valid work.
23:35
Deleted Account
Track the packages.
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23:36
Iridescence
Works with Zack's pool, by default it points to my pool that takes a 1 % fee
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23:37
Zack
[-7,37,201,193,37]
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
work from IP [-7,46,228,193,175]
7,178,63,80,240
work from IP [-7,176,9,25,254]
work from IP [-7,46,228,193,168]
work from IP [-7,5,9,37,8]
work from IP [-7,95,91,213,98]
work from IP [-7,37,201,193,37]
Are these all from the same region?
work from IP [-7,195,216,198,106]
work from IP [-7,46,228,193,175]
7,178,63,80,240
work from IP [-7,176,9,25,254]
work from IP [-7,46,228,193,168]
work from IP [-7,5,9,37,8]
work from IP [-7,95,91,213,98]
work from IP [-7,37,201,193,37]
Are these all from the same region?
D
23:39
D
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How can we know? Break your logs out into request type and log further information like HTTP request headers. If you want to know the region then look them up with a geoip package
23:39
Deleted Account
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All.of these are from Germany according to IP location.net
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Z
23:42
Zack
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23:43
Gonzalo
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Will it work in CentOS 7? Are you planning a windows version?
MH
23:44
Mandel Hoff
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Block 4490 just got confirmed, so you got an unpaid balance boost. You were the 10th largest miner on the pool. Here are hash rate credits that were shared for block 4490:
23:45
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23:45
Zack
It is all from Kassel Germany
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23:45
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
if anyone wants to talk about building on the amoveo, send me a dm
MH
23:45
Mandel Hoff
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๐ Thank you for checking on this. Sounds like confirmed single entity.
23:45
Deleted Account
Aeternity devs most likely lol
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23:47
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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Hey, thank you for checking that. I appreciate it. Checked the balance and found it there :)
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23:48
Gonzalo
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๐ they know their AE bag worths nothing so want to diversify
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23:48
Iridescence
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If there is enough incentive I can port it to Windows, but if you have windows you might as well use Mandel's miner unless you want the upgrade
23:50
Deleted Account
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you can choose! haha .. none of my computer store have any graphics cards anymore.. I bought the last one. gtx 1050 just because that is all they had.. 2 gig gtx 1050 can't be used for ether mining, so they are in stock.. I think the best graghics card is the one you can buy at this point.. anything better than a gtx 1050 would be nice
23:50
I'd love to get a couple gtx 1080 but i don't think that's happening any time soon where I live lol
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23:51
Oliver
You can buy any graphic card if you pay enough. But i do not know current market Situation. Maybe a cheaper one brings more power per invested usd.
23:51
What is a good price for a 1080?
23:52
On eBay they go away for around 600-700โฌ
MH
23:52
Mandel Hoff
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My old 750ti gets about 108mh/s. That's great for very low price and power costs that the 750ti has. It's not great for other things like Eth or games, but I already owned one.
23:53
750ti is really low power compared to the gtx1000+ models.
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23:54
Oliver
With 108mh/s how long does it take to mine 1 veo currently?
MH
23:54
Mandel Hoff
I'm away from chat for most of the day. I'll watch the pool for downtime, but I can't check on wallets much.
23:55
If anyone asks about tool updates, I did make a performance boost last night - so new tool release here for cuda gpu:
https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerGpuCuda/releases/tag/1.0.0.2
https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerGpuCuda/releases/tag/1.0.0.2
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23:56
Zack
Germany has some of the most exensive electricity in Europe
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23:57
Zack
Since it is all coming from the same city, why is it a bunch of different IP addresses instead of just one?
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23:58
Oliver
Can really be ae
6 March 2018
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00:04
Gonzalo
If BATman, Robin & Co. were AE I guess they would be trying to destroy Amoveo, so throwing so much power at the start would be a good idea. Maybe Im wrong but now the best way to try to destroy amoveo bould be to suddenly stop all their mining..
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00:06
Zack
well, they would at least wait till the next difficulty retargt at 6000.
Then we would be really stuck.
Then we would be really stuck.
00:07
AE does have a lot of money to throw around. Using it to stress-test Amoveo seem fine to me.
00:07
They probably wouldn't be anonymously helping us like this though.
MF
00:07
Mr Flintstone
@zack do you have any sense of the reliability of transactions sent using your light wallet?
Z
00:08
Zack
if you use my light wallet, they go straight to my full node, which is the one generating 95% of blocks.
MF
00:08
Mr Flintstone
hmm strange
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00:08
Zack
it is the fastest way to make txs right now. faster than running a full ode.
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00:09
Iridescence
That is my miner yes
00:09
By default it mines to my pool
00:10
It works with Zack's pool too
00:10
I updated my miner to fix the CUDA 9.0 problems, it should work now
00:11
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are this runing @Iridescence it not find any block
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00:12
Iridescence
Difficulty is very high now, so finding block is harr
00:12
Hard
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00:12
Oliver
It is also possible that somebody believes in the project and wants to mine as much veo in the beginning as possible. But why from Kassel? It does not seem to be a professional miner.
OK
00:12
Deleted Account
some modification to your mining to get node from zack wallet node
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00:13
Zack
Is there any big crypto mining farm in Kassel?
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00:16
Zack
that is a lot of gpu
00:17
Deleted Account
need good cuda miner
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00:17
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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are we prepared for 10x hash rate again?
00:17
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00:18
Deleted Account
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00:18
Deleted Account
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Zack 06.03.2018 00:16:39
that is a lot of gpu
00:18
Deleted Account
no zack no โบ๏ธ
MF
00:19
Mr Flintstone
anyone trying to sell veo? Pm me
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00:21
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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but if the hash power goes up, won't it speed things up accordingly?
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00:22
Zack
yes, and the hashpower does seem to always be increasing. so I guess we could end up retargetting sooner than that.
MF
00:24
Mr Flintstone
willing to pay a lot
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00:25
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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I can easily see $500/veo in half a year
00:25
i'm not gonna buy at that price now tho ๐
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OK
00:26
O K
Does updating a node always require starting from blockheight 0?
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00:26
Zack
this is day 3 I think
00:26
oh, we just started day 4
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00:27
Oliver
We need a veo market. It costs like 1 btc to add an altcoin to one of the smaller exchanges.
OK
00:27
O K
Can you please help me get my notes right for updating a node?
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00:28
Zack
is the full node stable enough yet?
I don't want to waste their time if they can't even keep the node alive
I don't want to waste their time if they can't even keep the node alive
OK
00:28
O K
api:off().
halt().
git pull
make prod-build
make prod-go
make prod-attach
halt().
git pull
make prod-build
make prod-go
make prod-attach
00:28
I did this then api:height(). == 0
Z
00:28
Zack
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not all updates are the same. this usually works:
api:off().
halt().
git pull
make prod-restart
OK
00:28
O K
Thank you
Z
00:28
Zack
for syncing read this: https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/getting-started/sync.md
MH
00:29
Mandel Hoff
My node has not crashed since the 4k diff change. I updated about 90 min ago. The updates are good so far too.
OK
00:29
O K
Zack you link me that every time, but it doesn't say anything about updating. I can get a node running, but it's not clear from that document how to update without starting from api:height(). == 0
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00:30
Zack
make prod-clean is the only way to delete you blocks.If you don't do that command, you wont lose your blocks.
OK
00:30
O K
I was under the impression also from that document that
make prod-restart includes a make prod-clean
Z
00:30
Zack
it does not.
OK
00:30
O K
I did not do that command, I did what I listed above and api:height(). was 0, I don't know why
00:30
But that's okay
00:30
for now it's not time consuming to start ove
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00:30
Zack
I am able to update my node in less than 20 seconds, so it doesn't distrurb mining.
OK
00:31
O K
I will update my notes
00:31
Thank you
00:33
is get_headers no more?
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00:33
Zack
Maybe this person mined bitcoin with fpga long ago. and they have been sitting on a pile of fpga ever since.
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OK
00:34
O K
I see what I did
Z
OK
00:35
O K
...Yes, it was also in my notes
MH
00:35
Mandel Hoff
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Yes, fpga would still have a large tech advantage, but it's probably not more than 10 times better than gpu on a cost/hash. I made a rough estimate of 4x vs gpu, but it may be better.
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00:36
Zack
if they already had the fpga sitting around, then they didn't have to buy them.
So their cost is much lower than that.
Everyone else is buying hardware.
So their cost is much lower than that.
Everyone else is buying hardware.
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00:36
Iridescence
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Well if you run it with all your GPUs you should find your block
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00:37
Zack
idk, maybe I am wrong. I have never used an fpga before
MH
00:37
Mandel Hoff
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Yes, I'm considering capital depreciation to be included. Yes, the practical version is they already had the hardware on hand.
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00:38
Zack
ok, im glad you did the math
MH
00:39
Mandel Hoff
I mostly ignored electricity costs though. I'd guess fpga is more efficient than a gpu, but I don't know the factor.
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00:40
Zack
you are ignoring electricity, and assuming they already had hardware...
Is there some other cost? I thought electricity + hardware is everything?
Is there some other cost? I thought electricity + hardware is everything?
OK
MH
00:43
Mandel Hoff
I'm "ignoring" electricity such that 1 hash of gpu is same energy as 1 hash of fpga. It's more of a cancelled out varible than ignored. I tried to estimate how much cost for fpga versus cost for gpu would be, and a fixed electricity per hash would cancel out. That's probably not a true assumption.
MF
00:44
Mr Flintstone
if someone is willing to sell, buying veo @ 0.0025 btc / 0.033 eth each
00:44
pm me
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00:46
Zack
at least mrFlintsone doesn't care whether all the blocks are mined by Kassel.
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00:48
Zack
Now that we have confirmed that one city is making all the blocks, I feel like our chances of survival have dropped to 20%
MF
00:49
Mr Flintstone
lol
MF
00:49
Mr Flintstone
why does that make you so pessimistic Zack
Z
00:49
Zack
At least they aren't from the same place as BATman. that would have made me more pessimistic.
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00:50
what would be a good solution then?
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00:50
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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either (1) getting more big player or (2) migrate to CPU-only mining
MF
00:50
Mr Flintstone
approx what % of blocks is Kassel mining?
Z
00:51
Zack
If they stop mining all at once, we need to be ready to do a hard fork to recover.
Eventually the network will grow to the point where they cannot afford to do attacks like this.
Eventually the network will grow to the point where they cannot afford to do attacks like this.
MH
00:51
Mandel Hoff
About 92-95% of the blocks.
MF
00:51
Mr Flintstone
So, the non-Kassel hash rate is still growing significantly
00:51
Kassel would need to go offline soon to really do damage
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00:51
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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I do have ~1% of total hash power now though, I guess ๐
MH
00:52
Mandel Hoff
It's not really an attack if their costs are not significantly lower than other miners. Yes, the network would pretty much freeze whenever they decide to stop.
Z
00:53
Zack
I will prepare code for a hard fork now, so if they do this we won't be down very long.
It will be like a normal update.
It will be like a normal update.
MH
00:53
Mandel Hoff
I think block rewards should stay at 1.0 until we really figure out if they have a significant cost/hash advantage or not. If they really are dumping a large cost in and just bigger, that's "fair". It's hard to know for sure though.
Z
00:54
Zack
right.
Once markets are existing, it will help reveal the actual cost of production of Amoveo
Once markets are existing, it will help reveal the actual cost of production of Amoveo
MH
00:57
Mandel Hoff
The 1.5 bump probably did more damage than help. Sort of made sense thinking to inflate away batman's gpu miner, but a bigger fish got 98% of the 1.5 boost. Kind of ironic.
OK
00:58
O K
have the tides not turned at all since your GPU miner improvements mandel?
Z
00:58
Zack
1.5 is nothing compared to the 30x difficulty adjustment, and the 25x difficulty adjustment.
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00:59
O K
The assumption being that many of us did 15x+ with Mandel's GPU miner ++ improvements
MH
01:00
Mandel Hoff
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Not really. We'd be super dead if this was still cpu vs Kassel, but the Kassel is still 95% of the blocks.
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01:00
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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Mandel's pool accounts for < 5% of all hash rate
I
OK
MF
01:00
Mr Flintstone
@zack what exactly would the hard fork do?
OK
MH
01:02
Mandel Hoff
I'm surprised batman or bankerz has got 0 blocks if that's not Kassel. They probably should have got 1 since Kassel started. At least a little interesting.
01:03
Deleted Account
what is kassel
MH
01:03
Mandel Hoff
city in germany where the IP address of the lead-miner is located.
OK
01:03
O K
In reply to this message
What do you mean? BATman is still mining, but has got no blocks since Kassel (a city in germany)?
I
01:03
Iridescence
Haha all these Amoveo jargon
01:03
I love it
OK
01:03
O K
hahaha
01:03
The villains of Amoveo
MH
01:04
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
I don't know if this person is still mining or not. Batman was running a node, so the coinbase address would have shown up as that person.
OK
01:04
O K
Interesting
I
01:04
Iridescence
So Batman could be Kassel?
OK
01:04
O K
Just getting 3 GPU online I was able to get 1 Veo overnight through your pool Mandel, I feel pretty good about that
MH
01:05
Mandel Hoff
No, kassel seems way bigger than batman.
01:06
Deleted Account
i think that is how POW works. Nothing to blame. without batman๏ผthere maybe spiderman or someone else
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01:06
Iridescence
๐
01:06
germanman
OK
01:07
O K
The avg block time if my math is right, over the whole 79 hours since launch, is about 0.95 blocks/min
01:09
Let me get you the address Mandel, it's also one of the addresses that won't work as a bookmark
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01:09
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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if I build an Amoveo name (pubkey) generator, which allows you to choose your pubkey prefix, would any one of you buy it? ๐
01:10
Deleted Account
what is the block difficulty returned by the amoveo node when asking for mining work? right now it's 11320, what does that mean?
Z
01:11
Deleted Account
lol
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01:11
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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๐ฑ
OK
Z
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01:11
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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this should be the first line of the instuction man
01:12
like, everybody wants a cool pubkey
Z
01:13
Zack
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I made it yesterday. https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/basics/vanity.md
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01:14
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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should have told me man. I could sold it for you ๐ฑ
01:14
just kidding ๐
G
01:17
Feel free to tip me: BITCHx33q94k90RGFb2LgcFnZxalgT9djGA550jgrIR5E6iqo6TEBl3UMUz2OOr8firoejaptuOf+gEIGDgT+bg=
01:17
๐
Z
01:17
Zack
Gonzalo has a nice one. It is in the browser
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01:19
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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damn man. i'm definitely using it BIT**
Z
01:20
Zack
This guy says we can all double our hash rate wih a small change
01:22
It sounds correct. I heard about this property of Sha256 recently.
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01:24
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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if we all do this, we might get 10% hash power of the network instead of just 5%!
OK
01:24
O K
That's nothing to shake a twig at
01:24
The kassel miner is running through Zack's pool right?
G
01:25
Gonzalo
In reply to this message
if we ALL do this, we will get the same % I guess (unless Kassel is not using GPUs)
Z
OK
01:25
O K
Neat
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01:26
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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by "we", I mean not including the kassel ๐
OK
G
OK
01:26
O K
It's seems others have privately been more optimized than the community since launch
01:26
There is a good chance they already have this optimized
G
01:27
Gonzalo
yeah makes sense
MH
01:28
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
Thanks Zack - I did this in the 1.0.0.2 of my gpu miner last night. I did not update the cpu miner yet, because... time. I could probably squeeze about 2 bytes more out of my hash. The gpu does many more than 64k per kernal, so it cant just do the "last two bytes".
OK
01:29
O K
CPU miner is virtually obsolete
MH
01:32
Mandel Hoff
My 750ti went from 83mhs to ~105mhs with that change.
OK
01:32
O K
@Paixo_Poison Mentioned that we could increase hashrate on Mandel's pool by changing default blocksize, is this true? What is a better number?
MH
01:33
Mandel Hoff
His description is better than I understood it when I made the change, so that helps. I had just remembered long long ago Zack said something about "the context can be reused".
01:34
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Some people say 196 is better than the default. Try 256, 512, 192 and 128 for most gpus one of those is best.
01:34
Not 196. Typo. should be 192.
01:34
Deleted Account
256
OK
01:34
O K
Thank you
01:34
I will play around with it
G
01:35
Gonzalo
Mandel, @Iridescence miner is getting almost 2x hashes than yours, maybe he can explain...
01:37
I tested 1080ti on windows and doing 600mhs, Iridiscence claims about 1000mhs for 1080ti (on ubuntu)
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01:38
Iridescence
Yes I am here
01:38
My CUDA code is highly optimized for Amoveo, so I get higher performance
I
01:40
Iridescence
Not yet
01:40
I will work on it soon
01:41
Deleted Account
which pool does your miner connect
I
01:41
Iridescence
By default it connects to my pool which takes a 1% fee, but you can set it to Zack's pool as well
01:42
Deleted Account
if you will finish it in days๏ผthen I will not install ubuntu for now
OK
I
01:42
Iridescence
I don't know how easy it will be to get it working on windows
OK
01:42
O K
How has your node stability been Iri?
I
01:42
Iridescence
It's been fine
01:43
I still can't get it to work on my vps
01:43
Which is annoying
OK
01:43
O K
How come?
I
01:43
Iridescence
Since it works on my home computer
01:43
Don't know
01:43
It's strange
OK
01:43
O K
Who is your provider?
I
01:43
Iridescence
Vultr
OK
01:43
O K
I got mine working on DO
01:43
Okay
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01:44
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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In reply to this message
does it offer GPU instances?
OK
MH
01:46
Mandel Hoff
If anyone would rewrite the "hash scoring" function, that would probably help a lot for the community to have.
OK
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01:48
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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Oh I thought we guys were talking about mining. My bad :)
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01:48
O K
I have a node/ mining pool node set up on a VPS with digital ocean
G
OK
01:48
O K
I set it up with the intent of running my CPU miner on it ... haha "ages" ago
01:48
But I keep it up, because, why not
G
01:49
Gonzalo
last week has been so crazy X-D
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01:49
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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took a while for me to measure, but it's 20-30% increase hash rate in my case
I
01:50
Iridescence
In amoveo 2 days = 1 month
MH
01:51
Mandel Hoff
๐ I'll make default to 192 in next update. Probably sometime this week unless we find something major like a super-fast hash score function.
I
01:51
Iridescence
What's a hash score function
G
01:51
Gonzalo
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anybody knows about bitcoin? how long did it take to get to our current hashrate?
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01:52
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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@Iridescence & @Mandelhoff You guys better work together! We have kassel to fight!
I
01:52
Iridescence
I don't even think combined we can fight kassel
G
OK
01:53
O K
As the old saying goes, "Not with that attitude" ๐
I
01:53
Iridescence
๐
MH
01:54
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
When a hash is created, it gets scored. If the score > diff, then it's a block (or share). It's the function with a ton of if-else-if-else-if... conditionals in the miner code.
I
01:54
Iridescence
Right
OK
01:54
O K
Interesting, what's wrong with the one as it is now?
MH
01:55
Mandel Hoff
Too much control flow code. Probably can replace it with (roughly) a single memcmp.
I
01:55
Iridescence
Conpilers don't like logic branches, makes code harder to execute
01:56
I mean makes code harder to optimize
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01:56
O K
What would be more efficient, a switch?
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01:57
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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else if (h[i] < 128) { would bit shift be slightly faster?
X
01:58
X | NPC
Is sombedody selling Veos?
OK
01:58
There is an ongoing bid on reddit
X
01:58
X | NPC
ok, so I check reddit, thanks
OK
01:59
O K
I'm looking for the auction link for you, but I don't see it
02:09
.25 BTC is the highest bid I think, the format is kind of a mess
02:09
It would be interesting to put it on OpenBazaar or something
I
02:09
Iridescence
I wonder if community would like an OTC trading website
OK
02:11
O K
Personally I'd like to see OB get some use, because it's a great project and it's a perfect use-case. They have built in moderation/arbitration/escrow, and the two parties will list their addresses so the moderator can see it. If there is an issue it will be obvious if someone is scamming
02:12
In the long run professional exchanges are probably the end game, but in the mean time...
02:21
Deleted Account
has anyone gotten Mandelโs cpu miner to work on mac
MH
02:23
Mandel Hoff
Might work. Likely different dependency install process. cpprestskd works on mac. Installs like this:
$ brew install cpprestsdk
https://github.com/Microsoft/cpprestsdk
$ brew install cpprestsdk
https://github.com/Microsoft/cpprestsdk
02:24
Deleted Account
will try. thank you
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02:24
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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In reply to this message
if you aren't going to use the machine while mining, you can install windows on the machine and run the miner there
MH
02:25
Mandel Hoff
I owned a mac in 1997. Should have just bought stock instead. ๐
02:25
Deleted Account
unfortunately i need the machine
02:25
lol
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02:28
O K
In reply to this message
Are you familiar with homebrew A C ? you will need to install it first
M
02:36
Mike
At $20 each I might just go out and buy graphics cards today, lol
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02:36
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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@Mandelhoff
35.73 GH/s Hash Rate for 0.1 Block/Minute is this accurate?
M
02:36
Mike
980 nets like 1 VEO a day
OK
02:37
O K
You mean order graphics cards? I'm pretty sure you can't just "go out" and buy graphics cards unless you live in some paradise land
02:38
I can't anyway
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02:41
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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Zack Holy cow. Now we're getting blocks every 2-3 minutes?
M
02:42
Mike
Best Buy next to my apartment complex has GTX 1060โs
02:43
have been trying to understand/debug error but pretty lost atm
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02:44
Iridescence
I am thinking of setting up a fork of Amoveo as a testnet
02:45
So that we can test changes to governance variables before implementing them
02:46
Of course Zack is better positioned to do this
MH
02:51
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
Yes, that is just "current diff / 10 min block time = 35.73gh/s". Block times are much faster than 10min, so actual network hash rate is much higher than that number.
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02:55
Paul N. | BAND (๐
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veo need to be priced higher than $100 for me to break even atm.
02:55
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MF
02:59
Mr Flintstone
@zack is your light wallet down?
03:09
is there some nuance behind sending veo? Im trying to buy some and nobody can figure out how to send...
03:10
either with the light wallet or amoveopool wallet
CB
03:12
try to sent small amounts
03:13
price is Mining Price plus max 50 percent
03:13
should be
Z
03:14
Zack
In reply to this message
I think there are 3 32-byte blocks in the process of hashing.
You should be able to pre-compute the first block in cpu, then send it to the gpu.
Maybe I don't understand
You should be able to pre-compute the first block in cpu, then send it to the gpu.
Maybe I don't understand
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Z
MH
Z
03:25
In reply to this message
Especially gpu. I think the gpu has to execute both sides of any conditional.
03:29
In reply to this message
You can run a tiny test net wih 3 nodes on your computer using
make multi-quick
03:32
In reply to this message
with the light wallet is easier.
here is documentation for doing it in the full node:
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/api/commands_accounts.md
here is documentation for doing it in the full node:
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/api/commands_accounts.md
03:33
In reply to this message
Careful of what? what could go wrong?
Spending is heavily tested, and there has been thousand of spend txs on amoveo already.
Spending is heavily tested, and there has been thousand of spend txs on amoveo already.
MF
03:34
Mr Flintstone
ok
03:34
so I didnโt realize
03:34
if your account is empty
03:34
the only way to send the first time is to use the create button?
Z
03:35
Zack
In reply to this message
create account is to give money to someone who doesn't have an account yet.
03:35
spend is for if they already have an account and you are increasing their balance.
MF
03:35
Mr Flintstone
so even though I created a key pair
03:35
they still need to make it into an account?
03:36
by using create account?
Z
03:39
Zack
yes. I generated millions of key pairs on my computer in my vanity address generator.
None of this data is stored in the blockchain or makes it take longer to download.
An account is a datastructure stored in the blockchain consensus state which keeps track of how much veo is secured with a particular pubkey.
None of this data is stored in the blockchain or makes it take longer to download.
An account is a datastructure stored in the blockchain consensus state which keeps track of how much veo is secured with a particular pubkey.
03:41
With the full node you can just do
spend every time. the full node can tell whether it should be a create or a spend, and it makes the kind of tx you need.
MH
03:41
Mandel Hoff
Sometimes tx spend/create get "lost" and don't make it in to a block. You'll want to confirm the tx is not lost by watching the block chain. Amoveo has lightning payments, but sounds like that's not what you are trying to do. My pool payouts lose many txs, so it watches blocks and confirms or resend the money when it gets lost.
Z
03:42
Zack
I added some more info to this page to make it easier to publish txs https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/api/commands_accounts.md
03:54
Deleted Account
What's the curent total hashrate?
Z
03:56
+- 0.3 th/s
03:57
I estimate based on 10 blocks. so I think that means the bounds are +- (observed amount) / (sqrt 10)
But I don't use statistics very often
But I don't use statistics very often
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04:11
Iridescence
1 TH/s...
04:11
Wonder what % of that is from kassel
Z
04:12
Zack
I think about 800 gh/s is from kassel.
MF
04:12
Mr Flintstone
@zack check balance isnโt working on the light wallet, but is working on the block explorer
04:12
Itโs only 0.01 so Iโm not sure if that is the issue
04:12
BO28CCNHymsN8X0y12cB7n8eFIjNojdIpTxMqpS4S9wtX7V2IIfpSD8t4hdPV4ASTb1KF6Opziz7TBTIt8sLaco=
04:13
if you want to check
04:13
idk maybe itโs just me
Z
04:13
Zack
it is confusing. if the entire network is 900 gh/s, and Mandel is 200 gh/s, then how come none of the recent blocks were found by Mandel's pool?
He should be getting > 20%
He should be getting > 20%
04:15
In reply to this message
I can see your balance in both light wallet and the explorer. maybe you are using the light wallet for a node that isn't synced with the network.
04:15
or maybe you didn't load the key into the light wallet, or you didn't sync the light wallet.
04:15
by clicking "get more headers"
OK
04:16
O K
@Iridescence was getting cuda installed on ubuntu a headache for you? Do you have any tips? I'm having a hell of a time
MF
04:19
Mr Flintstone
i maybe just did the first otc deal ever on veo
Z
MF
04:20
Mr Flintstone
0.033333 eth
OK
04:21
O K
repeating of course
MH
04:21
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
My pool's speed estimates has always run high due to whatever that "hash score collision space" bug we talked about before launch. Never identified though. It just causes all hash rate estimates to run high when you do diff/time instead of actual sha256/time
MF
Z
04:21
Zack
$42 per Veo?
MF
04:22
Mr Flintstone
28
04:22
or so
04:22
itโs equiv to 0.0025 @ 0.075 ethbtc
04:23
I donโt have gpu compute access :(
Z
04:23
Zack
oh, cool. yes $28
OK
04:23
O K
Nothing wrong with buying
04:23
Cool Mr Flinstone ๐
04:24
Deleted Account
How come there is no state? How miners can mine even if time to process block is larger than average block time? It's explained somewhere in more detailed way?
Z
04:25
Zack
In reply to this message
I don't know what you mean by "no state".
it takes about 0.05 seconds to process a block, and the block time is 90 seconds.
I think i don't understand.
it takes about 0.05 seconds to process a block, and the block time is 90 seconds.
I think i don't understand.
MH
04:26
Mandel Hoff
We haven't had a 5+ minute block time in a long while. Could be luck or more power from Kassel.
04:27
Deleted Account
Flint stone did you get a lot?
Z
04:29
Zack
1.1 th/s for the network
MF
04:30
Mr Flintstone
not yet, Iโm still looking to purchase a larger block around 50-100
04:30
@ 0.0025 btc if anyone is still interested
MH
04:32
Mandel Hoff
sag das bitte auf deutsch ๐
OK
04:35
O K
what is sag? sag the please of german? My german is not good
04:36
Deleted Account
anyone having success on the light wallet, i have been mining for 2 days and havent found a block
Z
04:36
Zack
he says "please say it in german"
That way Kassel will sell his tokens to MrFlintstone
That way Kassel will sell his tokens to MrFlintstone
G
04:36
Gonzalo
danke / bitte is please
MF
04:36
Mr Flintstone
lol
OK
04:36
O K
haha ah
G
04:36
Gonzalo
๐
MF
04:36
Mr Flintstone
I am a human buy wall
04:36
for now
Z
OK
04:36
O K
Yeah, duolingo says I'm 30% fluent in german, I don't know where they get that figure frome
04:36
haha
MH
04:36
Mandel Hoff
Yes, Zack got the joke. ๐
04:37
Deleted Account
oh dear, what can i do now how do i get a minner
Z
04:37
Zack
In reply to this message
mining profitably is very difficult. I recommend buying Veo instead.
G
04:37
Gonzalo
or buy
04:37
Deleted Account
ah how can i buy
G
04:38
Gonzalo
at 28$ is not expensive, I can confirm.. eerrr well maybe a little ๐
MF
04:38
Mr Flintstone
shh 28 is very expensive
Z
04:38
Zack
https://www.reddit.com/r/AmoveoTrader/
Make a post here asking someone to sell. If you offer a good price, you will find a seller.
Make a post here asking someone to sell. If you offer a good price, you will find a seller.
MF
04:38
Mr Flintstone
do not buy at those elevated prices
04:39
Deleted Account
wow $28 thats a lot
G
04:39
Gonzalo
๐๐
04:39
there are only about 5000-6000
04:39
so
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04:40
Zack
market cap is about $165 000.
After 3 days.
After 3 days.
04:42
Deleted Account
๐ well done
OK
04:42
O K
That would put it at #1080 on coin market cap
04:42
Deleted Account
viva Amoveo
Z
04:44
#886 has a market cap like ours
I
04:45
Iridescence
In reply to this message
It wasn't hard for me. Are you following the guide that is linked in the github?
MF
04:45
Mr Flintstone
i hope Kassel doesnโt fork my coins away hahaha
MH
04:45
Mandel Hoff
Amo is Latin for "love", so it's "Love-Veo". Checks out.
CB
04:47
CeloStarter Bandits
Zack.. We are doing on a beta website Wallet..
I
04:47
Iridescence
Kassel is either a huge GPU farm, or fpga/asics
Z
CB
04:48
CeloStarter Bandits
So yes sure people should be carefull sending
04:48
just double check..
04:49
while sending. Each time i getting into light wallet he gaves
me new address
me new address
Z
04:49
Zack
I just sent Veo from my light wallet as a donation. worked perfectly on my first try.
CB
04:49
CeloStarter Bandits
Sure...
Z
04:49
Zack
In reply to this message
yeah. because your browser does not save your private key. this is important for security.
04:49
you need to guard the key
CB
04:50
CeloStarter Bandits
People need to cautius.. Not entering wrong stuff.. iS not about sending or receiving
04:50
We got first Trade
04:50
0.03333 Each
04:51
or 0.00333
04:51
lol
Z
04:51
Zack
$28 per Veo.
CB
04:52
CeloStarter Bandits
i am asking again...
04:52
Price will is diffucult with low supply
Z
04:52
Zack
yes. we wont know the real price until the volume of trades is higher.
CB
04:53
CeloStarter Bandits
how many Veos per year? 50000 must be wrong
04:53
if we got already 5000
Z
04:54
Zack
In reply to this message
That is determined by the governance mechanism. The community decides how big to make the block reward and the block time.
With the current settings, it is about 52000 per year.
We got the first 5000 fast because the amount of miners joining the network is growing so quickly.
With the current settings, it is about 52000 per year.
We got the first 5000 fast because the amount of miners joining the network is growing so quickly.
G
CB
04:55
CeloStarter Bandits
No.. and looks fake
04:55
why they are using old kung fu stars names?
G
04:55
Gonzalo
Deleted Account 03.03.2018 02:14:04
Heya. I run a ui dev team, we're interested in experimenting with Amoveo and would like to explore building useful projects for the project under an insured crowdfund, as explained in the docs. We've built similar stuff in the past, for large numbers of users, so proven ability to execute.
1. If we move forward with this, we'd like to be as helpful as we can. I was thinking wallets, block explorer, stuff for desktop/mobile, additions to the node so it's easier for exchanges to list, etc. More ideas are welcome.
We were thinking June/July would be a decent time to suggest this as some (ofc not all) of the kinks will have been worked out and we could be reasonably confident there's a main chain. Zack - any comments on this? No rush, I get that you're busy with the launch. Just thought I'd start the conversation early and get a bit of context: on chain oracles and insured crowdfunding are fascinating to us, would like to see how it works from the contributor side, and give feedback once we've tried.
1. If we move forward with this, we'd like to be as helpful as we can. I was thinking wallets, block explorer, stuff for desktop/mobile, additions to the node so it's easier for exchanges to list, etc. More ideas are welcome.
We were thinking June/July would be a decent time to suggest this as some (ofc not all) of the kinks will have been worked out and we could be reasonably confident there's a main chain. Zack - any comments on this? No rush, I get that you're busy with the launch. Just thought I'd start the conversation early and get a bit of context: on chain oracles and insured crowdfunding are fascinating to us, would like to see how it works from the contributor side, and give feedback once we've tried.
G
04:56
Gonzalo
don't know about kungfu ๐
CB
04:56
CeloStarter Bandits
if you live in the 80 ties you know
s
CB
04:56
CeloStarter Bandits
no idea why my writing is bold again
04:56
ok just joke names
s
04:57
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
starting to sound a little racist, tbh
RT
04:57
Roger That
folks if any of you are in US and doing OTC trades - remember that doing trades worth more than 1K USD per person per day makes you a money service and recently SEC is going after crypto traders bigtime in US suing them as unregistered money services. Just FYI only.
G
04:57
Gonzalo
I was born in the 70s but never been a kungfu fan
RT
04:58
Roger That
you can register as a money service easily apparently - the application is 4 pages long
Z
OK
Z
04:58
Zack
What if we are an American abroad?
RT
04:59
Roger That
yeah disclaimer now : not a legal advice but based on what I have read so far ๐
OK
05:00
I think they're primarily going after people that are doing trades in person
05:00
localbitcoins people
RT
05:00
Roger That
In reply to this message
again based on my knowledge US is only of the only 2 countries which taxes its residents irrespective of where they live. so you should ask a lawyer for this. doing OTC deals are very risky these days especially if you are a public figure
Z
M
05:01
Mike
In reply to this message
You are still a "US person". Roger Ver renounced his citizenship for this reason AFAIR.
RT
05:01
Roger That
In reply to this message
thats true based on reported data so far. but good to be careful given you are supposed to file taxes on these trades and there's the record
05:02
In reply to this message
if it goes beyond 1K USD then break it down to multiple trades below 1K spread across days
05:02
again talk to a lawyer - i am not
OK
05:02
O K
that's called structuring roger
s
RT
CB
05:02
CeloStarter Bandits
Hmm... i dont think anybody cares
RT
OK
05:02
O K
Instead do this: use a vpn, be smart and don't tell them your nationality
05:03
You can even use Tor
CB
05:03
CeloStarter Bandits
wile bitfinex money laundering billions
RT
CB
05:04
CeloStarter Bandits
sorry but ,, tron as biggest scam is listed in bittrex selling own tokens
05:04
and we are expremintal shit here.. Nobody will care
Z
05:04
Zack
https://localbitcoins.com/buy-bitcoins-with-cash/628254/los-angeles-ca-usa/
So I guess everyone on this website is breaking the law? since they trade more than $1000 of bitcoin
So I guess everyone on this website is breaking the law? since they trade more than $1000 of bitcoin
OK
05:04
O K
Zack, the jury is still out
05:04
so to speak
05:05
People are getting arrested, here and there
s
05:05
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
RT
05:05
Roger That
In reply to this message
technically yes and you will have limited options if the law comes after you
05:06
i learnt about this quite recently and still trying to catch up
OK
05:07
Arrested for something doesn't mean they will be found guilty
05:07
and some are being arrested for knowingly selling to a fed that allegedly told them they planned to do illegal things with the crypto
RT
05:07
yes here
MH
05:08
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
Having a rectal exam is not fun even when they don't find cancer.
RT
05:08
Roger That
yups considering crazy legal fees
OK
05:08
O K
Make a new wallet, transfer some funds there, make the trade online over Tor anonymously from the new wallet, you will 100% be FINE
RT
05:08
Roger That
thats why privacy protocols have a bright future in the long term
05:08
๐
OK
05:08
O K
This is not legal advice I am not a lawyer everything here is hypothetical, I don't even exist etc etc
RT
05:09
Roger That
ok so please get back to development talk, seems i derailed it quite well
MH
05:10
Mandel Hoff
Block times haven't been above 2 minutes in a long time. Kassel is running faster. Incredible.
05:12
Obviously feels threatened by the community's 23 blocks in the last 24 hours.
Z
05:13
Zack
In reply to this message
I have been working on renouncing for over a year now. I think I am about 4 months away from accomplishing this goal.
RT
05:14
guys anyclue on how trades over a DEX is treated?
Z
05:15
Zack
I expect that I will move around a lot. Maybe I will follow the cryptocurrency conferences for a while.
RT
05:15
Roger That
when you have a bittrex in the middle then it should be okay given they are registered
05:15
but what about a DEX?
MH
05:16
Mandel Hoff
Cash out and bro down. ๐
RT
05:16
Roger That
In reply to this message
wont you have to take up a citizenship somewhere else? or you already have one?
M
05:17
Mike
In reply to this message
US citizens are allowed to renounce even if they do not belong to any other slavemaster. Unlike most of the rest of us.
Z
05:17
Zack
In reply to this message
I don't think you can renounce until you have a 2nd passport at least.
M
OK
05:19
O K
All of the people getting arrested traded crypto for USD
RT
05:20
Roger That
In reply to this message
i guess you are right, they know folks can do little with crypto directly other than moving it around, so entry and exit points are checked more
Z
05:21
Zack
So is Glen Roberts trapped in Paraguay now?
05:21
how would a stateless person travel?
05:23
Paraguay usually requires a travel Visa, and those only last a few months. And you need a passport to put the visa into.
MH
05:24
Mandel Hoff
Amoveo Region Map in case this is interesting to anyone.
05:24
Z
MH
Z
05:24
Zack
very cool
M
05:25
Mike
In reply to this message
No idea. I suppose it is best to have some passport if you intend to travel a lot. Alternatively, most governments issue a "travel document" (passport-like) on request for stateless people, refugees and such. I guess that's sufficient only if you are prepared to deal with extra attention from border guards.
Z
05:27
Zack
$34.60 per Veo.
M
05:27
Mike
In reply to this message
Looks like he is not: https://glr.com/ht/744eac/Stateless_travel_Document
Z
05:30
Zack
Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing
MF
Z
05:37
Zack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_transmitter
Looks to me like US persons who leave the US are free to do OTC trades of any size, according to US law.
Or you can go to Montana.
Looks to me like US persons who leave the US are free to do OTC trades of any size, according to US law.
Or you can go to Montana.
M
05:42
Mike
I guess it all depends if the controlling psychos that are the government find you interesting enough to pillage. Here is one interesting cautionary tale: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/cryptocurrency/bitcoin-being-declared-a-financial-institution-beware/
Z
05:49
Zack
Yes. It seems to me that the USA law is structured so that they can always find a way to go after you if they want to.
It is like being a prey animal. The trick to surviving is to look a little less rewarding to hunt than the other prey animals.
It is like being a prey animal. The trick to surviving is to look a little less rewarding to hunt than the other prey animals.
RT
05:55
Roger That
In reply to this message
no wonder US incarcenation rate is the highest in the free world
OK
06:04
O K
How does a US person become stateless? I was under the impression they made you have citizenship elsewhere, laughably
06:04
This Ubuntu cuda installation is leaving me banging my head against the wall
06:04
Search results tell me I'm not alone, who is running on @Iridescence 's software?
Z
06:05
Zack
US is one of the only countries where you don't legally need a second citizenship before leaving.
But I was under the impression that starting about 2 years ago, they stopped processing your request to leave unless you had a 2nd passport.
But I was under the impression that starting about 2 years ago, they stopped processing your request to leave unless you had a 2nd passport.
OK
06:06
Wow, I finally figured it out
06:06
you have to
apt-get purge your kernel back to release kernel, and then point the cuda installer to it
06:06
unbelievable
06:07
Oh, make sure you install the kernel headers after the purge
06:07
I am so frustrated
Z
06:09
Zack
Now that you know the steps, you should write a guide and put it onto the github. to help the people who come after you.
06:10
or you can send me the guide, and I will make a pull request to add it to the github for this
G
06:13
Greg
any chance Mandel's pool get blocks? I maxed out my hashpower on it but this is not enough, we don't get any block
M
06:14
Mike
In reply to this message
It is not just USA. The only viable approach in regards to any government is threat/risk management.
MF
06:22
Mr Flintstone
how is global hash rate right now? Not in a position to check S:(
OK
06:26
O K
Yes I will as soon as I'm up and running
06:26
However I'm still getting the same error ./amoveo_gpu_miner not found
06:26
it is a reference in miner_gpu.erl
06:27
https://github.com/decryptoed/amoveo-cuda-miner what file do you think it means to reference? or is it a missing file
06:27
Z
MH
06:28
Mandel Hoff
Zack, turbo miner crashed my node again.
Z
06:28
Zack
In reply to this message
That looks like the compiled executable file. I guess your computer is failing to build it.
BB
06:28
Brian Brian
@potat_o is your build working? i had to tweak line 12 of the makefile to have my architecture instead of sm_30
MH
Z
OK
06:29
O K
That's helpful, thank you
Z
06:29
Zack
tx_pool:dump(). might let you fix without rebooting
BB
06:30
Brian Brian
I found my architecture here http://arnon.dk/matching-sm-architectures-arch-and-gencode-for-various-nvidia-cards/
RT
06:34
Roger That
1.2 thz isnt normal guys
06:34
we are dealing with advanced hardware here which can dictate prices already
06:35
not good i can tell you for long term growth
MF
06:35
Mr Flintstone
What prices
OK
I
RT
06:35
Roger That
price of veo
Z
06:35
Zack
In reply to this message
you might be right. Lets give it a couple weeks before we decide to start over or not.
06:36
maybe more information will become available
RT
06:36
Roger That
ok sounds good
OK
06:36
O K
that file is there iri, but not ./amoveo_gpu_miner ... I tried a make all without the build_ubuntu.sh and it's complaining about nvvm even though I just installed it
I
MF
06:36
Mr Flintstone
@zack what situation would cause us to start over?
06:37
that canโt be solved by HF
I
06:37
nvvm? If you send me a screenshot I can try to debug it
OK
06:37
O K
what cuda is supposed to instal
I
06:37
Iridescence
At least 8.0
Z
06:38
Zack
In reply to this message
if the users are all so upset by the situation that they would abandon Amoveo unless we start over.
OK
06:38
O K
sorry nvcc
I
06:38
Iridescence
Ah I see
06:38
I thought nvcc came with the CUDA install
OK
06:38
O K
06:38
Me too
MF
06:39
Mr Flintstone
yeah if someone is still able to have >90% hashing power in a few weeks I could see reason for restart
06:39
but I would assume that person is mining for economic self interest
06:39
or maybe Iโm just hoping
Z
06:40
Zack
or if you guys launch a fork of Amoveo, and it became more popular.
I would probably abandon Amoveo to focus on the fork.
There is no point in having a blockchain where Zack and Kassel are the only 2 users.
I would probably abandon Amoveo to focus on the fork.
There is no point in having a blockchain where Zack and Kassel are the only 2 users.
MF
06:40
Mr Flintstone
lol
06:40
yeah
I
06:40
Iridescence
I think some others had the same issue of nvcc
06:41
In reply to this message
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06:42
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
im on the cusp of abandoning the project. i had very high hopes for the project.
been very disappointed so far with the distribution on how the distribution will affect the governance.
I have been watching the project for a while. This is me on reddit, had a logo designed for the project: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amoveo/comments/7som1r/new_amoveo_logo_donation_submissions/
been very disappointed so far with the distribution on how the distribution will affect the governance.
I have been watching the project for a while. This is me on reddit, had a logo designed for the project: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amoveo/comments/7som1r/new_amoveo_logo_donation_submissions/
06:42
seems to disable all the aspects of this amazing thing zack built
Z
06:42
Zack
It is crazy that Kassel is mining so much.
He could spend 1/2 as much money on mining, and he would still get 90% of the tokens.
He could spend 1/2 as much money on mining, and he would still get 90% of the tokens.
MF
06:43
Mr Flintstone
Kassel is aware we could just restart the chain
06:43
He either just does not give a shit about money or is making a strong bet
Z
06:43
Zack
Maybe he is an older German guy, and keeping up with this english group is too difficult
s
06:43
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
i think he has fpga's that dont cost very much anyway, once he wrote the code to make them work
MF
06:44
Mr Flintstone
except they can be used to mine other coins right?
s
06:45
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
i am building a platform for trustless finance and was very excited to integrate amoveo into it.
Z
06:45
Zack
This situation is outside of what I imagined was possible. Even now I can't make sense of it.
s
06:45
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
its all so easy to fix tho
06:45
heck, you already built the code to make it not matter
Z
06:46
Zack
In reply to this message
This is just the beginning. Maybe we will restart it, maybe we will find a way to fix the situation.
Eventually, Amoveo will be a success.
Eventually, Amoveo will be a success.
s
06:46
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
this mf just setting up for a zcash pump and dump
06:46
supply so tight, tech so good
06:46
by mf, i mean kassel, not you, obviously
06:47
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
Completely agree. Similar to that 2 friends and a bear delimma.
Z
06:47
Zack
Maybe that is why Mandel has such a high hash rate, but doesn't find blocks.
Kassel might be selfish mining on the other mining pool to stop anyone else from getting rewards
Kassel might be selfish mining on the other mining pool to stop anyone else from getting rewards
06:48
but Iridecense pool isn't finding blocks as well?
I
06:48
Iridescence
Nope, my hashpower is small
06:48
Probably less than 10 GH/s
MF
06:48
Mr Flintstone
Neither mandel or iridescence would ever be able to find blocks if Kassel so willed if
06:48
It*
I
06:49
Iridescence
There was a time when Mandel and Batman coexisted
06:49
During blocks 2000 to 2500
Z
06:51
Zack
Maybe there is a VPN in Kassel, and the miners are not located in Kassel
I
06:51
Iridescence
Maybe
06:52
Maybe it's China ๐
RT
06:53
Roger That
speculating the location might not take us anywhere, but selfish mining with that kind of hash is a possibility
I
06:53
Iridescence
In any case, doesn't matter where the location is
RT
06:53
Roger That
and dont just assume economics, there may be someone trying to kill amoveo
I
06:53
Iridescence
Kassel is just a convenient way to refer to the entity
RT
06:53
Roger That
as far as i remember aetherenity story didnt end well
Z
06:54
Zack
Goose VPN lets you use an IP address in Kassel
RT
06:54
Roger That
so multiple possibilities
06:54
if you want to step back and watch its fine for now
Z
06:55
Zack
oh, my server is in Frankfurt.
Maybe they got a VPN in Kassel because this lets them push blocks to the server as fast as possible
Maybe they got a VPN in Kassel because this lets them push blocks to the server as fast as possible
RT
06:55
Roger That
but if i got to know of this project today (4th day!) and found the hash to be such that i dont have any meaningful chance, i wouldnt evn bother and look for the next one
Z
06:55
Zack
only 2 hour drive between those cities in Germany
s
Z
s
06:56
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
to move to the fork
RT
06:56
Roger That
and if you restart at all please make this asic resistant, its much more expensive and more competitive to run a cpu or gpu farm or nicehash
Z
06:56
Zack
I would probably support both sides of the fork until it became clear that one of them would win.
06:57
I don't want to end up on the losing side.
s
06:57
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
are you ok if fork has a community airdropped genesis block?
06:57
you get your same dev reward pro rata to the genesis block. im saying fork, but i want to restart the chain also\
RT
06:57
Roger That
Zack - this is not the kind of thought or discussion we should have on 4th day. and so that means something isnt working. not on tech but on the economics or security side
06:59
between choosing a HF and restart i would pick #2
Z
06:59
Zack
If you want to organize an airdrop, go ahead.
My understanding of the economics is that an airdrop will only harm your project.
I support anyone who wants to develop using the Amoveo software, but I give preference to any project that pays me.
My understanding of the economics is that an airdrop will only harm your project.
I support anyone who wants to develop using the Amoveo software, but I give preference to any project that pays me.
RT
06:59
Roger That
In reply to this message
yeah lets avoid airdrop, let's do POW but let more folks have a fighting chance
07:00
i switched off my cpu miner yesterday and probably 3 days away from shutting down my nvidia
Z
07:00
Zack
There are thousands of altcoins that use the bitcoin software. I dream of a future where there are even more altcoins using Amoveo software
s
07:00
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
i sale would be better... but i dont want to f with a sale... so an airdrop is likely second best
RT
07:01
Roger That
then lets debate if you do restart what will you change?
Z
07:01
Zack
I would change 2 lines of code in block.erl so that the market cap will be calculated correctly.
Besides that, I am unsure.
Besides that, I am unsure.
07:02
oh, I would change the "initial_coins" in constants.erl to 0. I accidentally paid myself 100 veo.
s
07:02
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
if the block reward is small relative to gen block tokens, the monopolization wil matter much less
RT
07:03
Roger That
In reply to this message
thats okay, no one even spoke about it speaks of the fact that it didnt bother anyone. rather if you want to do sha only, how can you make this resistant to asic for a while?
07:04
also lets assume this is an attack - how would you stop such an attack ?
07:04
i am a noob and so i am better at asking questions ๐
Z
07:04
Zack
Maybe we should do a crowdfunding thing to have ASICS produced for the blockchain before we launch
s
07:05
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
that would be cool.... you could also have a bounty in the gen block handled by the oracle
07:05
would that be feasible?
Z
07:05
Zack
I am more of a software-type person. I have never made an asic or an fpga
RT
07:05
Roger That
how about you let it evolve? asics are expensive and so even if you get it crowdfunded, less than 100 folks will ever own one
Z
07:06
Zack
I think we should give Kassel the benefit of the doubt a little longer.
We still don't know what his intentions are.
We still don't know what his intentions are.
07:06
It doesn't make sense for anyone to attack Amoveo.
RT
07:06
Roger That
rather adopt an algo that can resist existing asic attack but you can in parallel get one crowdfunded.
s
07:07
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
i know a few people who would really like you to fail
RT
07:07
Roger That
its either a security attack or an economic attack
J
07:07
Jim
If looking for broad compatibility and eventual ASIC support but not necessarily ASIC resistance, I suggest multiple rounds of Keccak (SHA-3) or Skein
Z
07:07
Zack
In reply to this message
so we would start with some memory-hard problem, and switch to ASICS once they are available. That is an interesting idea.
s
J
07:07
Jim
Memory hard not necessarily a goal
RT
07:07
Roger That
either that or what Jim suggested
Z
07:08
Maybe we should launch like 5 blockchains at once, and see which one survives
s
G
07:09
Greg
In reply to this message
I disagree. Aeternity could earn time by slowing your own project by attacking it and making your own community tired of not getting coins or not getting what you advertised. I dont want to be rude, just speculating
J
07:11
Jim
I would also use an exponentially adjusting difficulty function that adjusts over less blocks, or per block
G
07:11
Greg
In reply to this message
+1, algo like Equihash could be a good choice. Way better than double sha256
RT
07:11
Roger That
see lets try to think about it from a 3rd party PoV. you need a widely accessible PoW in the start especially when you need to expand community and no one really would put millions of dollars in attacking it (the asic at work is most likely one which have already paid off its cost). over a period of time when you have enough community you need to focus on hardening the PoW and protecting it from attacks, so either move to PoS or move to a ASIC compatible POW. or ASICs will come on their own. a network like this will go through an evolution process and therefore you will need to adjust your plans accordingly
Z
07:12
Zack
In reply to this message
I designed something like that before, but it is vulnerable to a certain attack where the difficulty starts oscilating in a sine-wave pattern.
J
07:13
Jim
In reply to this message
Yes, and this problem is mitigated by 2nd generation diff algorithms such as Flux (in Ubiq) or Bismuth's recent diff algo research ( http://www.mic-journal.no/ABS/MIC-2017-4-1.asp )
s
07:13
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
here.
1- genesis block with early community members in it
2- a hash function that you can buy on nicehash and similiar.
3- when we can get custom asics, switch to that
1- genesis block with early community members in it
2- a hash function that you can buy on nicehash and similiar.
3- when we can get custom asics, switch to that
RT
07:14
Roger That
In reply to this message
the only thing i would change here is #1. rather you can say i will reward the 1st 100 fullnodes
07:14
whatever
07:14
you get the sense
s
07:15
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
yea, just some sort of function to get a wide distribution and get everybody here a stake, even if small
OK
RT
07:16
Roger That
BTW now that I think about it, all things factored in, the server location of the attack cannot be a coincidence. probability factor would be too low
Z
07:17
Zack
In reply to this message
What if half the people here are the same person using a bunch of accounts?
RT
07:18
Roger That
how many gpus would need that 95% hash?
s
07:18
scott_l | DeFi Pulse
In reply to this message
i have a piece of software we could use to verify social media profiles
RT
07:20
Roger That
In reply to this message
i would personally suggest take a quick opinion poll on if we need to solve this problem. once that is settled then go from there
OK
07:20
O K
I think an ASIC resistant GPU mineable algo would be ideal, switch to asics when chain is mature
07:20
GPU are the people's hardware
07:21
It allows you to build community
RT
Z
07:23
Zack
I have been working towards launching this blockchain for about 4 years now.
I hope the rest of you can have 2 weeks of patience to see how the situation will progress.
Lets wait a little longer before we make any decisions about hard forks or making an alt-coin.
I hope the rest of you can have 2 weeks of patience to see how the situation will progress.
Lets wait a little longer before we make any decisions about hard forks or making an alt-coin.
MH
07:23
Mandel Hoff
๐
OK
07:23
O K
I personally am a bit more optimistic than some others here
07:24
I'm happy for the most part, and very interested in how things will play out
RT
OK
07:24
O K
this has been a major learning experience I think for all of us
RT
07:24
Roger That
BTW i wasnt aware you built augur
s
RT
07:25
Roger That
hmm
Z
07:25
Zack
In reply to this message
I only made their minimum viable product in python. I didn't write any ethereum code for them.
MF
OK
07:25
O K
@brianrichter I think my build is working, is there supposed to be output on srceen after miner_gpu:start().?
07:26
one GPU is spinning up
MF
07:26
Mr Flintstone
My opinion (as someone who still doesnโt have a lot invested in this project) is that we should be patient; Kassels intentions will reveal themselves in due time
07:26
if they are malicious then we can react
OK
07:27
O K
I'm totally on board with seeing where this goes, I only commented because I thought that was the topic at the time
MF
07:27
Mr Flintstone
if it is motivated by greed, then that is actually a good thing
RT
07:27
Roger That
In reply to this message
i disagree but i think we have discussed this enough for now
MF
07:37
Mr Flintstone
greed is good roger :)
RT
07:42
Roger That
please read the full post, some of it is directly applicable, some of it is indirectly: https://blog.keep.network/miners-arent-your-friends-cde9b6e0e9ac
MF
07:44
Mr Flintstone
people who are possibly signaling large capital investments are my friend
RT
07:44
Roger That
please read
MF
07:44
Mr Flintstone
follow the money
DG
07:47
David G.
something I noticed with some DPOS type of situations is in regards to the fact that they aren't inventiviced to help or contribute back to the community after the rewards
Z
07:51
Zack
In reply to this message
Cool blog post.
It discusses transaction re-ordering, censorship and transaction insertion. These are important problems that most blockchain projects ignore.
It is especially bad on ethereum, because the smart contracts are on-chain. so every dapp developer needs to keep all these potential attacks in mind.
Amoveo's smart contract system is off-chain in the lightning network, so Amoveo smart contract developers don't have to think about these types of attacks.
All the on-chain transactions were carefully written to avoid these attack vectors.
It discusses transaction re-ordering, censorship and transaction insertion. These are important problems that most blockchain projects ignore.
It is especially bad on ethereum, because the smart contracts are on-chain. so every dapp developer needs to keep all these potential attacks in mind.
Amoveo's smart contract system is off-chain in the lightning network, so Amoveo smart contract developers don't have to think about these types of attacks.
All the on-chain transactions were carefully written to avoid these attack vectors.
07:53
Deleted Account
As a full time security researcher, let me be the first to say that you can think that amoveo is safe from smart contract attacks but there are entirely too many scenarios to plan out and *every* programmer makes mistakes.
07:54
I dont know enough about how smart contracts work on Amoveo, but I would not be as confident as you seem to be about your smart contracts
Z
07:55
Zack
off-chain smart contracts have different attack vectors you need to worry about.
The 3 that Roger listed aren't important.
For us the big vectors to keep in mind:
1) make sure the contract nonce doesn't increase with the height, otherwise the contract can never settle.
2) make sure there is no way your channel partner can trick you into deleting the channel state
The 3 that Roger listed aren't important.
For us the big vectors to keep in mind:
1) make sure the contract nonce doesn't increase with the height, otherwise the contract can never settle.
2) make sure there is no way your channel partner can trick you into deleting the channel state
07:55
but these attack vectors don't relate to the miners.
07:57
Deleted Account
Ok, as long as the idea of contract security isn't ignored because of the idea that we're safe from current attack vectors.
07:57
I've said it to my colleagues in the security space, but the crypto currency realm parallels security issues from the late 90's early 2ks
I
07:57
Iridescence
In reply to this message
The debug info is written to the file debug.txt while it is running
07:58
You can do ./amoveo_gpu_miner perftest to test how fast your GPU is
07:58
If you can tell me the results, that would be great
RT
07:58
Roger That
In reply to this message
I think what he meant was that many of these issues were discovered over time and not from the start. Likewise you cannot assume your system will be bulletproof. Undiscovered attack vectors might crop up.
07:58
Deleted Account
I wouldn't even say "might" but, will. As in, its not a question of if but when
OK
07:59
Deleted Account
I have some concerns already about the current state but I'm waiting to create POCs before I talk to zack about them privately
Z
07:59
Zack
In reply to this message
I never assumed it was bulletproof. Just explaining how Amoveo relates to the 3 attacks described in the article you linked to.
RT
08:00
Roger That
quick question - does a 90% hash from kassel create a possibility of sybil attack ?
08:01
also do you suspect selfish mining happening already ?
08:01
i mean some selfish mining
Z
08:02
Zack
a "sybil attack" is when one person pretends to be more than one person.
Amoveo doesn't have a concept of "person". each of us can have as many accounts as we want.
So I don't think any attack against Amoveo the blockchain would be considered a sybil attack
Amoveo doesn't have a concept of "person". each of us can have as many accounts as we want.
So I don't think any attack against Amoveo the blockchain would be considered a sybil attack
MF
08:03
Mr Flintstone
are there any openCL miners?
OK
08:12
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
It is a possibility, consider change your VPN location, test for this 2 weeks
OK
08:14
O K
ooh
08:15
That would kind of be interesting
Z
08:21
I accidentally left my node off for over an hour.
08:21
no one even noticed, because Kassel is the only miner.
08:28
Deleted Account
batman became kassel?
08:33
what was the motivation for not using the same algorithm to allow bitcoin ASICs to mine amoveo?
08:33
seems like if the goal is to get to ASIC faster, that would have been the fastest route
Z
08:35
Zack
I made a tool for calculating the historical hashrate.
Here it is every 100 blocks, measured in gh/s
[2,2,2,3,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,2,2,2,2,2,1,2,2,1,3,21,70,91,114,108,
96,108,114,96,87,91,96,96,108,114,131,131,96,96,335,566,415, 432,476,804,1219]
Here it is every 100 blocks, measured in gh/s
[2,2,2,3,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,2,2,2,2,2,1,2,2,1,3,21,70,91,114,108,
96,108,114,96,87,91,96,96,108,114,131,131,96,96,335,566,415, 432,476,804,1219]
08:36
Deleted Account
wow its blown up even further
Z
08:36
Zack
In reply to this message
If 2 blockchains share the same ASICS, then it doesn't work well. At any time, one will be more profitable for mining than the other. So the other will be frozen.
I
08:36
Iridescence
Ah, the the good old days of 2 GH/s hashrate
08:36
Deleted Account
good point
08:36
i feel less bad about my 9 veo now
08:37
but im not mining anymore
08:37
and nobody is selling
BB
08:44
Brian Brian
do you guys think its possible there is a flaw in the proof of work that is allowing kassel to find blocks quicker? this seems more likely to me than someone throwing this much hash power at a brand new network
I
08:46
Iridescence
Might be fpgas or asics
08:47
Or 700 GPUs
Z
08:49
Zack
bitcoin hash rate is 22 million times faster.
Bitcoin block reward is around $216 per second.
Our block reward is around $0.35 per second.
So it seems like our miners are still about 10 000 less efficient than bitcoin miners.
Bitcoin block reward is around $216 per second.
Our block reward is around $0.35 per second.
So it seems like our miners are still about 10 000 less efficient than bitcoin miners.
I
08:50
Iridescence
But Bitcoin is more stable as well
08:50
So many miners might not want to take the risk
08:51
Deleted Account
miners dont have risk, investors do
08:51
a miner can sell amoveo the second they mine it
08:52
and without an actively trading market they are the only ones setting the sell side price
OK
08:53
O K
miners have risk, and no they can't
08:55
Deleted Account
the risk is negligible
08:55
only investors have material risk
I
08:57
Iridescence
The risk is the opportunity cost
08:57
Of mining Bitcoin vs other crypto
08:57
For examples, Amoveo might reset
08:59
Deleted Account
amoveo resetting is a risk to investors who bought their coins from miners.
08:59
sometimes miners are also investors, but you should credit the risk to the right role
M
09:11
Mike
$43.46 per VEO on discord
Z
09:13
Deleted Account
whats the rich list look like now
Z
09:14
Zack
1252 BL0SzhkFGF
928 BATman9wDh
796 BCjdlkTKyF
549 BKzdH/S2tb
425 BARmD/Jtjv
333 BMK+iq9hVx
317 BAwfhwHde+
276 BOvlUiLRFe
275 BF7M3qyVlQ
260 BLvrQn16BF
202 BHX8oOyq5u
198 BICdY1BAxG
173 BHpOrYrXCx
124 BEUPZZqVe7
119 BEea1q4nua
116 BAkr/oDfPv
63 BKyLqCvF5v
54 BMRH4mk7zE
47 BGNr4Z4Mrb
43 BOBNV+fVCU
43 BGoRcO232t
42 BMbcy1hJCT
36 BCG/xmC9kc
31 BGqJUIdev2
30 BF8i3nrwyE
28 BCRGTI7Sac
16 BMiJ70jHZj
15 BFuPYRbXEr
12 BNZW28XJtP
11 BOTs85pC/A
11 BGDXGmovuT
10 BGm3aUVRyt
10 BKV+hn/9S6
10 BKHhT3pOKj
9 BK8i+BBDW9
928 BATman9wDh
796 BCjdlkTKyF
549 BKzdH/S2tb
425 BARmD/Jtjv
333 BMK+iq9hVx
317 BAwfhwHde+
276 BOvlUiLRFe
275 BF7M3qyVlQ
260 BLvrQn16BF
202 BHX8oOyq5u
198 BICdY1BAxG
173 BHpOrYrXCx
124 BEUPZZqVe7
119 BEea1q4nua
116 BAkr/oDfPv
63 BKyLqCvF5v
54 BMRH4mk7zE
47 BGNr4Z4Mrb
43 BOBNV+fVCU
43 BGoRcO232t
42 BMbcy1hJCT
36 BCG/xmC9kc
31 BGqJUIdev2
30 BF8i3nrwyE
28 BCRGTI7Sac
16 BMiJ70jHZj
15 BFuPYRbXEr
12 BNZW28XJtP
11 BOTs85pC/A
11 BGDXGmovuT
10 BGm3aUVRyt
10 BKV+hn/9S6
10 BKHhT3pOKj
9 BK8i+BBDW9
M
09:14
Mike
.0517 ETH per on auction channel on the other group
OK
09:14
O K
Wow
09:14
9 veo is in the rich list, cool
09:14
Deleted Account
how many discords are there
M
09:14
Mike
.0578 now. .7 ETH offered for 12.12 VEO
Z
09:16
Zack
Please do trading either in the official discord, or in the reddit trader group
https://www.reddit.com/r/AmoveoTrader/
https://discordapp.com/channels/414738760450834435/420383846245072911
https://www.reddit.com/r/AmoveoTrader/
https://discordapp.com/channels/414738760450834435/420383846245072911
09:20
Deleted Account
did the reward increase again?
09:21
seems surprising that the rich list sums to 6864, i thought we were at 1.57 for only a little bit
MH
09:21
Mandel Hoff
4675 for 13 minutes... we haven't been over 5 minutes all day.
Z
09:21
Zack
the block reward is about 1 veo. the developer reward is about 0.2
I
09:21
Iridescence
If Kassel turns off after 6k we are so screwed
Z
09:22
Zack
BLOSz is the developer reward account. I can't access those Veo for 12 months.
09:22
well, currently the block reward is 1.5 and developer reward is 0.3.
I
09:23
Iridescence
So Batman is still top
09:23
But Kassel total is probably more than Batman
Z
09:23
Zack
Kassel is using several different addresses
M
09:24
Mike
8 hours until block 6k?
Z
09:27
Deleted Account
who is kassel, first time i heard this name today
Z
09:27
Zack
the person mining 95%+ of the blocks is using an IP address out of Kassel Germany.
M
09:30
Deleted Account
oh ok
Z
09:32
Zack
I recommend avoiding any Amoveo trading group that doesn't let everyone join.
The only reason to block people from joining a trading group is so that you can more easily manipulate the prices.
The only reason to block people from joining a trading group is so that you can more easily manipulate the prices.
09:34
Deleted Account
can you create a derivative to sell your developer rewards
Z
I
09:58
Iridescence
@Zack my node crashed with the following error : syncing with this peer now [-7,[-7,192,241,144,151],8080]
trade peers
get their top header
get blocks from them.
eheap_alloc: Cannot allocate 14104570056 bytes of memory (of type "heap").
[End]
trade peers
get their top header
get blocks from them.
eheap_alloc: Cannot allocate 14104570056 bytes of memory (of type "heap").
[End]
09:58
Just providing info for debugging
Z
09:59
Zack
thank you for sharing. yes, I notice that memory consumption is getting a little high
I
10:00
Iridescence
yes
Z
10:00
Zack
cool, thanks
MF
Z
10:10
Zack
In reply to this message
Yes. I believe Can is running it.
He doesn't provide a normal invite link, not letting me join.
He doesn't provide a normal invite link, not letting me join.
M
Z
10:20
Zack
Network is at 400 gh/s
3x slower than a few hours ago.
Maybe I knocked out some miners when I was messing with my mining pool trying to save ram.
3x slower than a few hours ago.
Maybe I knocked out some miners when I was messing with my mining pool trying to save ram.
10:21
Deleted Account
In reply to this message
is that the hashrate of my miner in amoveopool displayed correctly. Since my 1050ti can get 1.2 gh/s sometime
M
10:22
amoveopool display is not correct
10:22
I get 600 MH/s with 1080TI
10:22
Deleted Account
ok that's is only 130mh/s
M
10:24
Minieep21
In reply to this message
I buy for video editing. Now I cannot edit videos whilst I mine 24/7 ๐
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10:28
Deleted Account
the dev reward is too high
M
10:29
Mike
My GTX 980 hasnโt mined anything noticeable in the past few hours, is it worth firing up 5 1060โs?
10:29
On mandelโs pool
MF
10:32
but if there are sellers, mr flintstone is open for business as always
M
10:32
Mike
In reply to this message
Iโm thinking itโs just the German miner forcing everyone out. Mandelโs pool has found 18 blocks in the past 24 hours
10:32
Deleted Account
ouch
MF
10:32
Mr Flintstone
I wonder when he will have his fill
10:32
maybe never and we will just need to wait for the hash rate to go up
Z
10:33
Zack
so after the next difficulty upgrade, even if Kassel stops mining, Mandel's pool will still find 3 blocks a day.
Sounds like Kassel is unable to attack Amoveo.
Sounds like Kassel is unable to attack Amoveo.
MF
10:38
Mr Flintstone
@zack
10:38
You know how you did that time series of hash rate?
10:38
any easy way to exclude Kassel and run that again?
10:38
it wonโt be perfect
10:38
But may give a decent sense
Z
10:39
Zack
In reply to this message
A = lists:map(fun(T) -> round(block:hashrate_estimate(T)) end, [100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, 1000, 1100, 1200, 1300, 1400, 1500, 1600, 1700, 1800, 1900, 2000, 2100, 2200, 2300, 2400, 2500, 2600, 2700, 2800, 2900, 3000, 3100, 3200, 3300, 3400, 3500, 3600, 3700, 3800, 3900, 4000, 4100, 4200, 4300, 4400, 4500, 4600, 4700]).
MF
10:39
Mr Flintstone
guess not
10:40
Lol
P|
10:52
Paul N. | BAND (๐
) - I'll never DM you
Hmm ... at this rate there's no point all for me to continue mining
10:53
I'm out until changes coming then
10:55
@Mandelhoff would you kindly lower your minimum payout to something like 0.1 veo? Since your pool doesn't seem to find blocks for more than an hour now, I doubt I would want to spend more money mining to 1 veo/pubkey on you pool.
Z
11:05
Zack
I am thinking that I should make some markets using the channels so we can bet on what the future difficulty will be.
11:06
Deleted Account
Zack BGDXGmovuTEr3CFfzY0xr0zXS3purkIPPZsljZv4gvQe87K6W8be1IpwDwmqhgcSIlhTvb9Q7pgrl+h2dmXGEXM=
I
11:06
Iridescence
That is Zack's pool address
11:06
Deleted Account
11:07
i mined two days,but nothing get
G
11:07
Gonzalo
In reply to this message
with the current hashrate this makes sense. Also maybe weยดll need lower transaction fees
MF
11:07
Mr Flintstone
Is the min cost actually 1250?
11:08
11:08
Deleted Account
we need more guides on governance betting, i think that should be top priority so others can participate easier
Z
11:10
Zack
In reply to this message
It looks like you have 13 mh/s
It takes about 12 days to find a block at that rate.
It takes about 12 days to find a block at that rate.
11:10
In reply to this message
https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/amoveo/blob/master/docs/api/commands_oracle.md
What would you change?
What would you change?
11:12
Deleted Account
maybe a list of examples for each governance variable, which would double as a list of what the govname are
11:13
im going to hop on my node and experiment and see if i have any unanswered questions
MF
11:15
Deleted Account
tks
Z
MF
11:16
Mr Flintstone
I think the node also lets you be a pool
Z
MF
11:16
Mr Flintstone
:(
11:17
Deleted Account
(amoveo_core_prod@localhost)1> oracles:all().
[]
[]
11:18
(amoveo_core_prod@localhost)3> sync_mode:normal().
normal
(amoveo_core_prod@localhost)4> [-7,[-7,51,15,69,135],8080]
syncing with this peer now [-7,[-7,52,234,133,196],8080]
trade peers
get their top header
get blocks from them.
another get_blocks thread
api:height().
4834
(amoveo_core_prod@localhost)5> block:height().
0
normal
(amoveo_core_prod@localhost)4> [-7,[-7,51,15,69,135],8080]
syncing with this peer now [-7,[-7,52,234,133,196],8080]
trade peers
get their top header
get blocks from them.
another get_blocks thread
api:height().
4834
(amoveo_core_prod@localhost)5> block:height().
0
11:18
is this a problem?
Z
lw
11:20
has
Z
11:22
Deleted Account
interesting that I_masterpate was selling 200 VEO for 0.6btc and now wants to buy 100 for 0.3BTC.
Z
11:22
Zack
yes, very odd. I think he might be a troll.
I
11:23
Iridescence
why? sounds like a master trader
11:25
Deleted Account
the first VEO you sell goes for a higher price than the 200th, and so selling 200 VEO for 0.6 implies that the 200th veo was sold for less than amount he's willing to buy 100 for. He'd make more money just selling 100 VEO for more than 0.3
11:29
Deleted Account
Hey
11:29
Having issues mining with all 6 GPUs on windows
11:30
It only mines with 1 card
Z
11:31
Zack
I think it is night time for a lot of them. Maybe try again at a different time of day.
I
11:31
Deleted Account
Yes
I
11:31
Iridescence
oh ok
11:31
not sure if he's here now
11:31
Deleted Account
He responded on Twitter few min back
11:31
Hopefully responds here
11:32
Anyone else able to mine with a 6gpu rig?
Deleted invited Deleted Account
MH
11:33
Mandel Hoff
In reply to this message
You have to kick off 6 command processes. Set DeviceId on them. Probably goes 0 to 5 for you.
miner.exe {address} {deviceId}
miner.exe {address} {deviceId}
11:34
Deleted Account
Ok
11:34
Thanks
11:34
Trying now
MH
11:34
Mandel Hoff
You may want to try different BlockSize values too. Default is 256. Some people get much better speeds with 192 there instead.
11:35
Deleted Account
Ok
11:35
Trying both
11:36
Any other tweaks?
11:36
Lol
11:41
I'm getting 'error: Duplicate Nonce submitted this work item'
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11:42
Paul N. | BAND (๐
) - I'll never DM you
In reply to this message
Use different pubkey for each card
11:42
Deleted Account
Ohhhh
11:43
Is there is a way to get multiple public keys on the same priv key?
Z
11:44
Zack
it uses the same pubkey system as bitcoin. so there is a way.
We should also figure out how to compress the pubkeys and make them 1/2 as long like you can do in bitcoin.
We should also figure out how to compress the pubkeys and make them 1/2 as long like you can do in bitcoin.
11:45
Deleted Account
Ok
11:45
I just couldn't find an option to generate new pub key on the miner
11:45
I'll just do 6 priv/pub combinations
MF
11:50
Mr Flintstone
@zach getting talk_helper failed_connect 1 after make prod-attach
Z
11:50
Zack
try again
11:51
make prod-attach
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11:51
Paul N. | BAND (๐
) - I'll never DM you
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Paul N. | BAND (๐
) - I'll never DM you 06.03.2018 10:55:56
@Mandelhoff would you kindly lower your minimum payout to something like 0.1 veo? Since your pool doesn't seem to find blocks for more than an hour now, I doubt I would want to spend more money mining to 1 veo/pubkey on you pool.
Z
11:51
Zack
or tell me more details about what you did that got you there
MH
11:51
Mandel Hoff
I'm going to update the tool to have user enter random string to seed the random generator. That should make two gpu's not collide nonces.
11:52
In reply to this message
The problem is that the first 4k blocks created huge orphan block forks and the pool over paid and over credited on those orphaned forks. I shouldn't force payouts from those blocks, because most miners from those blocks got overpaid. Any remaining balances people have from that sub-4k block range will probably need to get reduced to make payouts fair for those ranges.
I would love to reduce the payout threshold, but it's a really bad idea unless the sub-4k range is all completely recalculated from actual payouts. Most people who got any payouts did get overpaid so far, so extra payouts from sub-4k hurts people with current unpaid work.
I would love to reduce the payout threshold, but it's a really bad idea unless the sub-4k range is all completely recalculated from actual payouts. Most people who got any payouts did get overpaid so far, so extra payouts from sub-4k hurts people with current unpaid work.
MF
11:52
then make prod-build, then make prod-go, then make prod-attach
Z
11:54
Zack
oh, it sounds like it started normally. next follow the instructions for syncing the blockchain.
MF
11:56
Mr Flintstone
is it really quick to sync?
11:56
I guess
11:57
There are few blocks
11:57
does it only download the headers?
Z
11:57
Zack
I just pushed a critical hard fork.
11:57
The hard fork change happens at height 4200.
MF
11:57
Mr Flintstone
lol
Z
11:58
Zack
it is important for everyone running a mining operation to update so we don't fork.
@Mandelhoff @Iridescence
@Mandelhoff @Iridescence
MF
11:58
Mr Flintstone
what is height right now?
Z
11:58
4852
MF
11:58
Mr Flintstone
Do you mean 5200?
11:59
or 6200
Z
11:59
Zack
no, I retroactively caused the hard fork, because we haven't used this feature since 41xx
11:59
Deleted Account
What algo does this use?
Z
11:59
Zack
so all the blocks in between are identical with or without the fork
MH
12:00
Mandel Hoff
Ok, miner tool updated. Try with same address and random input strings for seeds.
https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerGpuCuda/releases/tag/1.0.0.3
https://github.com/Mandelhoff/AmoveoMinerGpuCuda/releases/tag/1.0.0.3
MF
12:00
Mr Flintstone
Ok
12:01
what is change?
12:01
can you update cpu as well for us poor folk
12:02
Deleted Account
12:02
1 out of the 6 GPUs keeps crashing
MH
12:03
Mandel Hoff
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Wallet balances and blocks aren't changing retroactively, right? I almost had a heart attack thinking my payout system had to rollback many hundred blocks.
Z
12:03
no blocks are undone.
12:03
but if you don't update soon, you might end up mining on a fork.
MH
12:03
Mandel Hoff
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Try lower BlockSize or lower NumBlocks settings for that gpu. I'm not sure what to advise.
12:04
Deleted Account
Thanks
MH
12:06
Mandel Hoff
I did a git pull and restart. I'm at block 0.
12:07
Amoveopool is down until my node is not mining on block 0. That's going to break stuff.
Z
12:08
Zack
it shouldn't have sent you to block 0
12:08
my node was down for <20 seconds for the update.
12:09
did something break?
12:12
Deleted Account
New miner is not working for me
MF
12:13
Deleted Account
Error: getwork failed sleep and retry..
MH
12:13
Mandel Hoff
Well, it inserted a bunch of work credit to my database back at block 1-10. I don't think it'll make payouts broken, but it will make sorting out the 1-2k correct data more challenging.
12:13
Back very soon - hopefully.
I
12:14
Iridescence
Should I git pull now?
MH
12:16
Mandel Hoff
Ok, pool up at 4858. Looks sync'd with zack's node.
12:16
Anything else I should check?
Z
12:17
Zack
don't forget to
sync_mode:normal(). and keys:unlock(). so that you mining pool will work
MH
12:18
Mandel Hoff
Ok, pool is on. Thanks. I'm going to bed soon.